No more hand guns

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WARMINGTON: Bullets fly in Toronto soon after Trudeau implements handgun freeze (msn.com)


Have to agree that it follows Justin's limp wristed pattern of virtue signaling. Banning legal handgun ownership is just a poser move. How many of the gun crimes happening lately have been committed with legally owned handguns? It's a different situation from the States, where if you own them, you will probably use them.
I wonder what Justin will do to seal the porous border with the U.S.A.
 

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You want to solve the hand gun shooting.... Logical == gun activity is from drug activity and the monies involved.

Except for legal stuff like marihuana, hang all offenders that sell, transport any illegal drugs (people making a profit/living ). That will stop the trade. and the gun activity. Go in hard with full automatics and rocket launchers (blow up the meth labs and bull dose the carnage over). There will be collateral damage, most likely the drug dealers wife and small kids....

Its simple and fucken barbaric and get the point across. The only way these criminals understand, is if you stomp very hard on them, so they never get up again. Its not in the Liberal persona to fucken kick someone when they are down. Jail time, or life counselling just doesn't work...

As for banning legal gun ownership or restricted weapons, Canadian laws demands that they be locked up with ammo locked up separately. Rifles are for sports hunting of game animals. The ban will be overturned if an conservative government gets elected.

PS It is most likely the cops will get sued over something like that and the government and courts will let the criminals get away with it....

OH, sorry they already are....... FUCK

You are gonna see more shit like that farmer who shot and killed a Aboriginal. The reasons is because of the increase gang activity and profits from drugs and the idolization of drug culture by popular tv show (Sons of Anarchy, Breaking Bad, Weeds, Narcos etc).... everybody wants to make a quick buck.... drugs are the answear..... didn't you know that....

Gun violence follows....
 

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idolization of drug culture by popular tv show (Sons of Anarchy, Breaking Bad, Weeds, Narcos etc)....
Hmm, strange I took those as cautionary tales...As in "Hey, you want to join a biker gang, cook meth, grow weed, smuggle coke?....Well, here's what your up against!... And yeah, you die in the end no matter what, so have your "fun"."
 
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WARMINGTON: Bullets fly in Toronto soon after Trudeau implements handgun freeze (msn.com)


Have to agree that it follows Justin's limp wristed pattern of virtue signaling. Banning legal handgun ownership is just a poser move. How many of the gun crimes happening lately have been committed with legally owned handguns? It's a different situation from the States, where if you own them, you will probably use them.
We should be more like the states.. Texas actually. If I was ever to move there it would be Texas. Where everyone is packing as long as the hammer is exposed. How much crime would actually go on if everyone was packing. A poor cop wouldn't have been stabbed by a homeless guy thats for sure.id have no problem putting one in the leg of a idiot busting bank windows.show him the gun tell him to stop and sit on the ground. If he didn't.ok buds your probably going to have a limp for a while..Don't have to kill him just stop his shit.we all jump over cops as we seem to think they use brut forces. Look what they deal with on a daily.really surprised not more are shot. How much crime would really go on. Bring back our rights to protect thy home and family. If everyone knew that jail may not be a option that death could be on the table they might actually think about it. If they can't understand it then they're just a waste of time.ya thought of both sides but if my guns legal and his isnt ' he had a way of getting one why can't I have one if my record is clean.. id have no problem taking return fire saving anyone that wasn't deserving of it..it's not going to stop shit with the bullets flying none of theirs are registered. What they're not telling you is most of the guns are made with a 3d printer. From all the shooting arrests no mention of what and How many guns they got.
 

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We should be more like the states.. Texas actually. If I was ever to move there it would be Texas. Where everyone is packing as long as the hammer is exposed. How much crime would actually go on if everyone was packing. A poor cop wouldn't have been stabbed by a homeless guy thats for sure.id have no problem putting one in the leg of a idiot busting bank windows.show him the gun tell him to stop and sit on the ground. If he didn't.ok buds your probably going to have a limp for a while..Don't have to kill him just stop his shit.we all jump over cops as we seem to think they use brut forces. Look what they deal with on a daily.really surprised not more are shot. How much crime would really go on. Bring back our rights to protect thy home and family. If everyone knew that jail may not be a option that death could be on the table they might actually think about it. If they can't understand it then they're just a waste of time.ya thought of both sides but if my guns legal and his isnt ' he had a way of getting one why can't I have one if my record is clean.. id have no problem taking return fire saving anyone that wasn't deserving of it..it's not going to stop shit with the bullets flying none of theirs are registered. What they're not telling you is most of the guns are made with a 3d printer. From all the shooting arrests no mention of what and How many guns they got.
Ah yes Texas. My point, if I had one was that registered hand guns in Canada don't seem to be the problem. Picking on ownership of them seems disingenuous and not thought out at all. I had one. I bought it and sold it a year or so later. I wasn't a threat. Neither was the guy I sold it to. It was just an itch I wanted to scratch since being a kid in England where they were not easily available. You could own one, but you had to be a member of a shooting club and get references from the gun club to buy one. You also had to leave it there under lock and key. You couldn't take it home with you. All reasonable.
Texas though?
 
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You want to solve the hand gun shooting.... Logical == gun activity is from drug activity and the monies involved.

Except for legal stuff like marihuana, hang all offenders that sell, transport any illegal drugs (people making a profit/living ). That will stop the trade. and the gun activity. Go in hard with full automatics and rocket launchers (blow up the meth labs and bull dose the carnage over). There will be collateral damage, most likely the drug dealers wife and small kids....

Its simple and fucken barbaric and get the point across. The only way these criminals understand, is if you stomp very hard on them, so they never get up again. Its not in the Liberal persona to fucken kick someone when they are down. Jail time, or life counselling just doesn't work...

As for banning legal gun ownership or restricted weapons, Canadian laws demands that they be locked up with ammo locked up separately. Rifles are for sports hunting of game animals. The ban will be overturned if an conservative government gets elected.

PS It is most likely the cops will get sued over something like that and the government and courts will let the criminals get away with it....

OH, sorry they already are....... FUCK

You are gonna see more shit like that farmer who shot and killed a Aboriginal. The reasons is because of the increase gang activity and profits from drugs and the idolization of drug culture by popular tv show (Sons of Anarchy, Breaking Bad, Weeds, Narcos etc).... everybody wants to make a quick buck.... drugs are the answear..... didn't you know that....

So I'll agree with 80 Watt in only one respect: punishment of criminals is totally inadequate in Canada. The system rarely gets it right, and more than any political party, it is the courts that are hard-wired for leniency. This system hasn't produced justice - just created two classes of people: those who can play the system like a fiddle, and the rest of us who just have to grit our teeth while the people who harm us are allowed to walk free.

Canada's laws are in line with most of the world, the sane part (almost all the democracies).

Those illegal guns in Canada all came here because of the overflow from the USA, a country so over-armed that it has more guns than people. We already do poorly compared to any western democracy other than that one. We have an illegal weapons problem going on here, which is not going to be solved by making them generally legal, and letting any random untrustworthy dipshit have one just because he wants one. Especially when you're talking about lunatics who just haven't killed anyone yet (but seem obsessed with preparing to do so), or those acting as straw buyers / smugglers for the black market users because their lack of criminal record allows them to get away with it. The system is lazy, buying into these excuses because it wants to turn a blind eye.

I support these bans - I just think we also need to amp up the punishment. A ban is a joke when it has no teeth when it comes to enforcing it.

The answer for anyone who's caught with a firearm they shouldn't have one is, or acts as a conduit of weapons to people who shouldn't have one: prison (hard time & lots of it). The answer for anyone who uses a firearm to commit a crime should be: death.
That's how they do it in Japan. No excuses there, no accepting anyone's bullshit excuses when it comes to weapons. The government controls who is allowed to have weapons, and what weapons they are allowed to have, and nobody thinks they have some inherent right to challenge that - end of story. Even their criminals can understand that crossing that line would mean their permanent elimination.

That concept will rub some people the wrong way, but most people will be glad to see the grey and black market types forced to either disarm or disappear. It would take serious, ruthless effort (especially at first), but would certainly make the distinctions more clear, and more easy to tear down these criminal and terrorist networks - or at least diminish their ability to strike back at each other or the authorities. Hunting won't be suddenly impossible if there's some test of "need", and limited to certain weapons that are designed clearly for that purpose alone.

However (a BIG however), is that aside from upping the sentence for weapon offense and gun crimes 10-fold, there are still a lot more legal reforms that would have to happen too. Right now I don't think our legal system gets enough of the other things correct to sentence anyone to death. Innocent people still get convicted, while (more often) the guilty go free. You can't have a system which ignores facts and often blames the wrong people, excusing serious lawbreakers while it punishes those who are actually innocent.

I'm not a liberal, a Liberal, or a libertarian when it comes to this stuff. I think this is one area where leniency is a huge mistake. If you have a legal system that ignores common sense & acts naive by design, and which thinks stockpiling weaponry can treated as "innocent" activity by default, then criminals and terrorists will sense that weakness and exploit it. As they do now.
 
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Hmm, strange I took those as cautionary tales...As in "Hey, you want to join a biker gang, cook meth, grow weed, smuggle coke?....Well, here's what your up against!... And yeah, you die in the end no matter what, so have your "fun"."

Yeah me too. I love to watch stuff like the Godfather, Goodfellas, Reservoir Dogs, Sopranos, Sons of Anarchy, etc. - even the true crime stuff. But it never made me think "Awesome - that could be me doing that!"

What makes the stories interesting is watching these characters get impaled on their own ambitions, slaughtered by their own flaws - usually snuffed out at the hands of someone just like themselves in the end.
 

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What he said..except the barn wall part...
 
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At least my house insurance should go down, because thousands of dollars worth of pistols now have no value. Sure hope no-one steals them.
Let me know where you live and I'll check the insurance tables for you....
 

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We should be more like the states.. Texas actually. If I was ever to move there it would be Texas. Where everyone is packing as long as the hammer is exposed. How much crime would actually go on if everyone was packing. A poor cop wouldn't have been stabbed by a homeless guy thats for sure.id have no problem putting one in the leg of a idiot busting bank windows.show him the gun tell him to stop and sit on the ground. If he didn't.ok buds your probably going to have a limp for a while..Don't have to kill him just stop his shit.we all jump over cops as we seem to think they use brut forces. Look what they deal with on a daily.really surprised not more are shot. How much crime would really go on. Bring back our rights to protect thy home and family. If everyone knew that jail may not be a option that death could be on the table they might actually think about it. If they can't understand it then they're just a waste of time.ya thought of both sides but if my guns legal and his isnt ' he had a way of getting one why can't I have one if my record is clean.. id have no problem taking return fire saving anyone that wasn't deserving of it..it's not going to stop shit with the bullets flying none of theirs are registered. What they're not telling you is most of the guns are made with a 3d printer. From all the shooting arrests no mention of what and How many guns they got.
Great example. Obviously folks packing is why there’s no crime in Texas.
 

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It’s worse than virtue signaling.

People who legally own handguns had to pass the PAL and RPAL. They had to have a criminal record check run, as well as mental health records checked, no addictions, No history of violence etc. AND their name gets run on a daily basis to ensure that that hasn’t changed.

They understand gun safety, keep their fire arms safely stored in a lockbox, and have all of their weapons registered.

These are NOT the guns that are involved in violence.

I’m concerned that this will create a massive surge in the black market. Prohibition typically has the opposite effect. By making something completely illegal, it becomes MORE desirable to the people that you least want having it.

People who have ill intentions for using a firearm are not using one that’s registered to them. They are 3-D printing them off in their basement or purchasing it on the black market.

Prohibiting the import, sale, transfer etc in a regulated manner increases their desirability to the wrong people, Likely bringing far more unregistered guns into circulation, an increase in violent crime and accidental injury.
 
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Have to agree that it follows Justin's limp wristed pattern of virtue signaling. Banning legal handgun ownership is just a poser move. How many of the gun crimes happening lately have been committed with legally owned handguns? It's a different situation from the States, where if you own them, you will probably use them.
Does anyone remember the long gun registry?
Crime pretty much disappeared.
LMFAO.
 

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The fewer guns, the fewer gun deaths. 🤷🏼‍♀️ it’s not that complicated people. Even if only ONE person died from a handgun death this is a good idea. We should be moving as far away from what’s happening in the states as possible. I don’t like Trudeau but I like guns even less 😂
 

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The fewer guns, the fewer gun deaths. 🤷🏼‍♀️ it’s not that complicated people. Even if only ONE person died from a handgun death this is a good idea. We should be moving as far away from what’s happening in the states as possible. I don’t like Trudeau but I like guns even less 😂
Some of the cities in the US with the strictest gun laws have the highest rates of gun crime.
Gun bans don't work.
Criminals obtain their guns illegally.
The new handgun ban in Canada will have zero effect on gun crime.
Zero.
 

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Some of the cities in the US with the strictest gun laws have the highest rates of gun crime.
Gun bans don't work.
Criminals obtain their guns illegally.
The new handgun ban in Canada will have zero effect on gun crime.
Zero.
Are they as strict as ours? Which state and what are the laws? I’m curious
 
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