No More BUSH!
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Where were they during the election campaign? They could have made a difference! 
Meanwhile at "Dear Abbey"......
DEAR ABBY,
My husband has a long record of money problems. He runs up huge credit card bills and at the end of the month, if I try to pay them off, he shouts at me, saying I am stealing his money. He says pay the minimum and let our kids worry about the rest, but already we can hardly keep up with the interest.
Also he has been so arrogant and abusive toward our neighbors that most of them no longer speak to us. The few that do are an odd bunch, to whom he has been giving a lot of expensive gifts, running up our bills even more.
Also, he has gotten religious in a big way, although I don't quite uderstand it. One week he hangs out with Catholics and the next with people who say the Pope is the Anti-Christ. And now he has been going to the gym an awful lot and is into wearing uniforms and cowboy outits, and I hate to think what that means. Finally, the last straw. He's demanding that before anyone can be in the same room with him, they must sign a loyalty oath. It's just so horribly creepy!
Can you help?
Signed, Lost in DC
Dear Lost:
Stop whining, Laura. You can divorce the jerk any time you want. Therest of us are stuck with the asshole for four more years!
Meanwhile at "Dear Abbey"......
DEAR ABBY,
My husband has a long record of money problems. He runs up huge credit card bills and at the end of the month, if I try to pay them off, he shouts at me, saying I am stealing his money. He says pay the minimum and let our kids worry about the rest, but already we can hardly keep up with the interest.
Also he has been so arrogant and abusive toward our neighbors that most of them no longer speak to us. The few that do are an odd bunch, to whom he has been giving a lot of expensive gifts, running up our bills even more.
Also, he has gotten religious in a big way, although I don't quite uderstand it. One week he hangs out with Catholics and the next with people who say the Pope is the Anti-Christ. And now he has been going to the gym an awful lot and is into wearing uniforms and cowboy outits, and I hate to think what that means. Finally, the last straw. He's demanding that before anyone can be in the same room with him, they must sign a loyalty oath. It's just so horribly creepy!
Can you help?
Signed, Lost in DC
Dear Lost:
Stop whining, Laura. You can divorce the jerk any time you want. Therest of us are stuck with the asshole for four more years!
MH, you gonna be at the Bush $40 Million coronation?
Have your celebration cigars?
(sorry, no Cubans )
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Have your celebration cigars?
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It's not our Canadian money so who gives a flying - but since you brought it upMike Hawk said:
What the hey --- a country at war deserves a parteee on the scale befitting --- a country at war – and of course there’s no need to draw attention to that tsunami thing & suggestions the coronation should be a little more subdued in deference to the tsunami victims.
Who’s counting, anyway? I’m read you could add another $100 million to that $40 million, just to cover the costs for security, “production costs” associated to the swearing in ceremony, “construction costs” for the West Front of the Capitol building, costs to cover the holiday status the day receives for all Washington federal workers, etc., etc., etc.
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luckydog said:
luckydog/Mike Hawk, a great job – a job being done well? By what measures? There’s really no point in highlighting the suffering, death and destruction since most Bush war proponents accept (rather, ignore) it anyway --- “better there, than here”, right luckydog?Mike Hawk said:
Is it a measure of Bush success to blindly continue with a farcical insistence on voting – we keep hearing a spin that only 4 of 18 Iraqi provinces are “unsafe for voting” --- the fact roughly 50% of the Iraqi population lives in those 4 provinces never seems to come out. The daily bombings and deaths are testament to the non-existent security – even if an Iraqi has designs on voting, few candidate lists are available for fear of assassination. Who will vote and who will they vote for???
But is it really a blind insistence? Or is it a Bush Administration intentionally steering Iraq towards civil war, using the elections as a catalyst to aggravate tensions between Sunnis & Shiites --- perhaps another “Balkanization” of Iraq along ethnic and religious lines, one that effectively carves up the country delivering it to U.S. multi-national corporations in the guise of reformation.
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Timec, if you compare the job Bush has done against your ideal of perfection or against where a Gore would have taken the country then you would need to conclude he did not do a good job.
My criteria for assessing his job performance are how well did he do in comparison to where I wanted him to go and how he faced the circumstances he faced.
1. Is there anyone who truly thought in late 2001 that 3 years would go by without another terrorist strike? The anthrax letters has still not been solved, but with that exception there has not been. So if you assess his job and use the criteria has he kept America safe? The answer is yes.
2. He took office with the stock market in decline, white collar crime at shameful highs. Here I think he has done an OK job. The stock market is back to 2001 levels, unemployment is down. I am willing to give him a pass, because of the war. But he has reached the end of the pass, it is show time.
3. The level Americans pride in their country depends on who you ask. If you ask me, it is a lot higher than it was in 2001. We stepped up big time during the Asia disaster, we responded quickly and decisively to the terrorist attack, we formed much stronger bonds with Britain, Australia, and many European countries. I give Bush high marks here.
4. The honor of the Office of the President of the United States of America has been restored. I opposed the impeachment, because I thought Clinton’s behavior was not impeachable, but he did reduce the dignity of the office. I give him high marks here as well.
5. There are once again, rogue states that fear the U.S. If Bush says I am going to shove a missile up your ass, they believe he will. Iran, Syria, North Korea still hate us and they would love to see us sucker punched again. But they know the consequences if there is even a suspicion they were involved. Once again high marks.
Now it is time for him to focus his attention on domestic issues. Let Condi and Rummy handle foreign policy with direction from W. (Bet that scares the shit out of you)
So, in my opinion Bush measured against what was possible he has done very well. Measure him against a perfect world or a perfect outcome then I am sure you would come to a different conclusion.
My criteria for assessing his job performance are how well did he do in comparison to where I wanted him to go and how he faced the circumstances he faced.
1. Is there anyone who truly thought in late 2001 that 3 years would go by without another terrorist strike? The anthrax letters has still not been solved, but with that exception there has not been. So if you assess his job and use the criteria has he kept America safe? The answer is yes.
2. He took office with the stock market in decline, white collar crime at shameful highs. Here I think he has done an OK job. The stock market is back to 2001 levels, unemployment is down. I am willing to give him a pass, because of the war. But he has reached the end of the pass, it is show time.
3. The level Americans pride in their country depends on who you ask. If you ask me, it is a lot higher than it was in 2001. We stepped up big time during the Asia disaster, we responded quickly and decisively to the terrorist attack, we formed much stronger bonds with Britain, Australia, and many European countries. I give Bush high marks here.
4. The honor of the Office of the President of the United States of America has been restored. I opposed the impeachment, because I thought Clinton’s behavior was not impeachable, but he did reduce the dignity of the office. I give him high marks here as well.
5. There are once again, rogue states that fear the U.S. If Bush says I am going to shove a missile up your ass, they believe he will. Iran, Syria, North Korea still hate us and they would love to see us sucker punched again. But they know the consequences if there is even a suspicion they were involved. Once again high marks.
Now it is time for him to focus his attention on domestic issues. Let Condi and Rummy handle foreign policy with direction from W. (Bet that scares the shit out of you)
So, in my opinion Bush measured against what was possible he has done very well. Measure him against a perfect world or a perfect outcome then I am sure you would come to a different conclusion.
Luckydog -
I think you can just as easily spin your same points the other way:
1. I don't think anyone can say the lack of another terrorist strike is due to the actions of the bush administration is a causal link. you can't prove it either way. Just because nothing has happened does not mean he has kept us safe.
2. The US deficit has grown to truly amazing levels. The dollar is in the toilet.
3. If I judge pride by the number of yellow or red white & blue magnet ribbons on the back of cars, than yes, americans have more pride in our country. But I don't know how you can think of our relationship with Europe as better. I think by and large the rest of the world views us a bully on the playground
4. I think the philosophy of how our government works is different. We seem to have shifted to a "ends justify the means" way of government. Yes, Saddam & the Taliban are gone, but do we know the replacements will be better? What will be the impact to regional stability if these two states fail? I keep thinking about how the core reason for the invasion of Iraq was WMD and is seems to well timed that the anouncement about stopping the search is after the election. I think the dignity of the US government has been eroded.
5. Do we really have the combat power to do anything more? How many of our active duty Army divisions are deployed? The 3rd ID is getting ready to back to Iraq for another year. But as I was taught a long time ago at the Ft Benning school for over active boys, only one thing can control a peice of terrain, an Infantryman. All the cruise missles & bombs can't replace that. Do we have enough infantryman? I think not.
As I said at the start, anyone can spin it anyway they want. What I want to know is what will President Bush do to reach out to us blue voters? We are nearly half of the country. If you are not familiar with it, read up on the election of 1860. It is eerily similar to today. Good thing all the blue states are far apart.
Also I think the GOP is not nearly unified enough on the issues to really push through the changes President Bush wants. Do you think he has enough understanding of politics inside the beltway to pull it off. Remember he came to us from the govenor's office of Texas. I think Congress will be thinking about re-election and how to keep friendly with AARP and is not going to want to touch the Social Security third rail.
But you are right; we shall see how he does. But please don't even joke about JEB in 2008!
Just my $0.02...
I think you can just as easily spin your same points the other way:
1. I don't think anyone can say the lack of another terrorist strike is due to the actions of the bush administration is a causal link. you can't prove it either way. Just because nothing has happened does not mean he has kept us safe.
2. The US deficit has grown to truly amazing levels. The dollar is in the toilet.
3. If I judge pride by the number of yellow or red white & blue magnet ribbons on the back of cars, than yes, americans have more pride in our country. But I don't know how you can think of our relationship with Europe as better. I think by and large the rest of the world views us a bully on the playground
4. I think the philosophy of how our government works is different. We seem to have shifted to a "ends justify the means" way of government. Yes, Saddam & the Taliban are gone, but do we know the replacements will be better? What will be the impact to regional stability if these two states fail? I keep thinking about how the core reason for the invasion of Iraq was WMD and is seems to well timed that the anouncement about stopping the search is after the election. I think the dignity of the US government has been eroded.
5. Do we really have the combat power to do anything more? How many of our active duty Army divisions are deployed? The 3rd ID is getting ready to back to Iraq for another year. But as I was taught a long time ago at the Ft Benning school for over active boys, only one thing can control a peice of terrain, an Infantryman. All the cruise missles & bombs can't replace that. Do we have enough infantryman? I think not.
As I said at the start, anyone can spin it anyway they want. What I want to know is what will President Bush do to reach out to us blue voters? We are nearly half of the country. If you are not familiar with it, read up on the election of 1860. It is eerily similar to today. Good thing all the blue states are far apart.
Also I think the GOP is not nearly unified enough on the issues to really push through the changes President Bush wants. Do you think he has enough understanding of politics inside the beltway to pull it off. Remember he came to us from the govenor's office of Texas. I think Congress will be thinking about re-election and how to keep friendly with AARP and is not going to want to touch the Social Security third rail.
But you are right; we shall see how he does. But please don't even joke about JEB in 2008!
Just my $0.02...
One can only come to unsupported conclusions. No one knows how Gore would have reacted to 9/11, but I do not believe he would have risen to the challenge. I believe he would have gone to the UN and continued to pass resolutions condemning the terrorists. I base that on the response to the 1992(?) terrorist attack on the WTC.BC visitor said:
Unacceptable levels. The US dollar was over valued, it needs to come down more. We should be about par with the Canadian dollar which would be about a 1.60US to buy a Euro. That thought scares a lot of people, most of them are not Americans.BC visitor said:
Actually, there were discussions about no WMD before Nov 2. But the big stories of the day were “Did Kerry cross in Cambodia in 196x Or did he just come with 2 miles and not cross over”? “Did Bush avoid military service n 196x And did he fulfill his obligation to the National Guard”? Thank you Dan Rather and the Swift Boat Vets for truth, for distracting us from real presidential issues.BC visitor said:
No doubt our credibility was eroded because there was no WMD.
I am not a member of the GOP. I am conservative, but many in the GOP are not. Blue voters voted for Kerry because they hate Bush, not because they liked Kerry. Same was true in 1996. Red voters hated Clinton and voted for Dole. No one in their right mind would think Dole would actually make a good president.BC visitor said:
It is hard to reach out to someone who hates you. I do not think he will try. A perfect example is the black vote. 90% vote Democrat. Nothing will change that. It does not matter what Bush does, they will vote as a block. He has reached out to them, just look at the makeup of his cabinet, but they are not interested.
I bet he makes an early run. That is why he is getting so much camera time with W. If you have even .02 cents worth of sway with the Dems, run a candidate in 2008 that stand for something. Campaigning on the slogan “I hate Bush” won’t cut it. Tell me what will you do to fix social security? What will you do to fix health care? What will you do to stop illegal immigration? How will you be smarter in spending my money? Right now the Dems spokesman are Kennedy, Dean, Pelosi and Hilary (although she has been quite lately). If that is where the Dems are heading it will be a lonely trip and Bush 44 or however is the GOP nominee will be the next president.BC visitor said:
Everytime I notice this thread I think it's another porn one (maybe with a shaving fetish, who knows)so I keep clicking on it and being disappointed
alright no hijacking ... back to politics ... er, I don't like Pres. Bush either I found it rather intimidating that days after being voted for 2nd term (the one he doesn't have to worry about whether people like him when it's done) he came up and gave us Canadians a big wolfy smile ...
alright no hijacking ... back to politics ... er, I don't like Pres. Bush either I found it rather intimidating that days after being voted for 2nd term (the one he doesn't have to worry about whether people like him when it's done) he came up and gave us Canadians a big wolfy smile ...
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