No Guns Policy in my Company

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The upper management are going to be installing card lock doors, bullet proof glass and a bunch of other security features.
To me it sounds like your company has some skeletons in the closet
from the past and the paranoia overfloweth. :rolleyes:

This wouldn't be an American based company...........would it? ;)

Try hiring people who don't have any fingers or that are blind.
That should prevent them from using guns. :D
And while you're at it check them out to see if they have any
background to Hamas or Al Quaeda.



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schizo_man

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funny that you've been left outta the loop on decisions, ya I wouldn't have EVER thought that would happen, what with your rational thought process and all.
 

island-guy

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I think armored car drivers are the only ones allowed to carry.
No.

Ever hear of bank guards?

Armed response patrol for the alarm companies?

The guys who refill ATM machines (No they aren't in armoured cars)

Private police forces (Like the old UBC security guards)

Etc...

There are a lot of people licenced to carry, in all cases they must carry visibly and be in uniform.
 

bcneil

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I am trying to think of businesses that have the staff behind bullet proof glass, and the customers out in the open, as Fudd decribes.

Money mart :confused:
 

island-guy

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Anybody know if there are any other security checks on potential employees in addition to criminal background check. Is there a security check we can do through the Federal Government. And in cases where we have to hire new immigrants is there a simple process of going to an international agency. Will Interpol provide a criminal background check?
From what you said earlier, you have several employees (including YOURSELF) who would NOT pass a criminal background check.

If you pick and choose which employees to hire or not based on criminal background checks, you have to be able to JUSTIFY your choices and hiring or keeping SOME employees with criminal records but not others is just looking to be sued. Remember that the background check does NOT tell you specifically what the person was charged with, just when, how many times, and what type of offence (violent crime, unpaid fine, indictable offence or not, etc...) and the dates.

It is against the law to discriminate based on a person's criminal record, except in specific circumstances and "The company is paranoid" is NOT one of those circumstances.

One example is that anyone working directly with children has to have a clean background check. Another is that doctors and nurses have to have checks done by their colleges to stay licenced (because they may be in a position of working with children and they have access to drugs).

Interpol won't do squat for a private company, only for member agencies (like the FBI, the RCMP, etc...)

How on earth can your entire company not be living in the real world?
 

Pantherdash

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No.

Ever hear of bank guards?

Armed response patrol for the alarm companies?

The guys who refill ATM machines (No they aren't in armoured cars)

Private police forces (Like the old UBC security guards)

Etc...

There are a lot of people licenced to carry, in all cases they must carry visibly and be in uniform.
I think you may be living in the US.

Bank guards don't carry guns. Only mace and a radio. They are contracted out by the bank from private security companies.

There are no armed response patrol for the alarm companies. Only in the US.

The guys who fill bank machines ARE in armoured cars. How do you think they get around? They DO carry guns, yet most are still using .38 revolvers?:confused:

There are no private police forces at UBC or anywhere else in BC. UBC is patrolled by the RCMP. Police forces are regulated by the provincial government and, in the case of the RCMP by the federal government.

Not sure where you're getting your sources from or if indeed you live in the US, but your facts are erroneous.

However, I can see how you can make a simple mistake of confusing armed private security companies with police. More and more in the last few years with the growing demand for more security and the lack of sworn police officers in Canada, private security companies have changed their uniform to look more paramilitary in the hopes of their personnel appearing more intimidating and perhaps even armed. They now wear dark uniforms that can easily be confused for that of a police officer. They even drive around in Crown Victorias. It's a very simple tactic designed to give the illusion of an omnipresent police force. Their clients like it. I think you've been a victim of this tactic.:)

Panther
 

island-guy

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I think you may be living in the US.

Bank guards don't carry guns. Only mace and a radio. They are contracted out by the bank from private security companies.

There are no armed response patrol for the alarm companies. Only in the US.

The guys who fill bank machines ARE in armoured cars. How do you think they get around? They DO carry guns, yet most are still using .38 revolvers?:confused:

There are no private police forces at UBC or anywhere else in BC. UBC is patrolled by the RCMP. Police forces are regulated by the provincial government and, in the case of the RCMP by the federal government.

Not sure where you're getting your sources from or if indeed you live in the US, but your facts are erroneous.
The guard at my local bank has a gun in a holster, in BC. He works for Brinks but sits there in the bank all day.

Until a few years ago, the UBC Campus Police carried guns. When UBC joined the GVRD, the GVRD police (a sub-group of the RCMP) took over.

My alarm company (in BC) offers armed response

I've seen the guys who fill the bank machines at my bank on the weekend, they were driving a dark station wagon type car, not a big van or truck type armoured car. They carried guns. Maybe it was an armoured station wagon?

Here, notice on their list of cities where they provide service "Victoria British Columbia" last I heard that was part of BC, not the USA.

http://www.armedresponseteam.com/verifiedresponse.php
 

island-guy

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Did a check, turns out that as of Sept 1st, 2008 they took guns away from security guards in BC.

Guards with existing carry permits can continue to use them until they expire (they are good for 5 years) but can't renew them.

Several other provinces including Nova Scotia, Quebec, Manitoba and Alberta continue to issue carry permits to security guards other than armoured car guards.

It'll be interesting to see how this one plays out when the permits start expiring.
 

Thatotherguy

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I've seen the guys who fill the bank machines at my bank on the weekend, they were driving a dark station wagon type car, not a big van or truck type armoured car. They carried guns. Maybe it was an armoured station wagon?
:eek: Seriously?!? No armoured car? Talk about cut-rate. How would they get insurance coverage against robbery if they're not using armoured cars? Maybe they weren't the guys filling the ATMs, maybe they were the guys who take the deposit envelopes out from the ATMs? I can imagine the security requirements being somewhat lower for that than for the guys who are literally carrying bags of cash.
 

island-guy

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:eek: Seriously?!? No armoured car? Talk about cut-rate. How would they get insurance coverage against robbery if they're not using armoured cars? Maybe they weren't the guys filling the ATMs, maybe they were the guys who take the deposit envelopes out from the ATMs? I can imagine the security requirements being somewhat lower for that than for the guys who are literally carrying bags of cash.
They walked in and out with a briefcase and they had guns, they weren't exactly flashing the cash around so who knows?

They went into the bank into the room behind the ATMs and the ATMs went out of service one at a time and there were lots of 'cash counting noises' coming from the ATMs.
 

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Just dropped into work this week and found out the I've been left out of the loop on some decisions. The upper management are going to be installing card lock doors, bullet proof glass and a bunch of other security features. The main office staff will be secured but does very little for the reception area which will still be accessable to the public. What safety policies and security do other companies take. Usefull suggestions only please.
Adding security features to the main office, depending on how extensive those security measures are, may seem somewhat paranoid, but unlike your ridiculous "no employees who own guns" idea, it's perfectly workable, and actually has a reasonable chance of reducing the possibility of violence in the workplace. How about the suggestion which I've already made a couple of times in this thread: give your managers and team leaders training to recognize and address the warning signs of potential violence.
 

Thatotherguy

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They walked in and out with a briefcase and they had guns, they weren't exactly flashing the cash around so who knows?

They went into the bank into the room behind the ATMs and the ATMs went out of service one at a time and there were lots of 'cash counting noises' coming from the ATMs.
Ah, they had a briefcase. It may not seem like it, but that right there is the explanation for why they had guns but weren't driving around in an armoured car. Pretty much the only time you'll ever see somebody going into an ATM room with a briefcase is when one of the machines needs servicing of some sort (dispenser jam, deposit jam, or just plain broken down). The briefcase will contain various tools (screwdrivers and stuff), as well as various small, common replacement parts. Now, most of the time, ATM servicing is done by a standard technician who doesn't have a gun, and is employed by the service company. After hours, however, the servicing is done by employees of the armoured car company (usually Brinks or Securicor) who also have training as technicians. These guys are technically armoured car guards, and so they carry guns. Since they're not actually taking anything of value to or from the ATMs, however, they don't actually have to travel by armoured car, so they would use a regular vehicle.

And that's probably more info than you cared to know. ;)
 

island-guy

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Ah, they had a briefcase. It may not seem like it, but that right there is the explanation for why they had guns but weren't driving around in an armoured car. Pretty much the only time you'll ever see somebody going into an ATM room with a briefcase is when one of the machines needs servicing of some sort (dispenser jam, deposit jam, or just plain broken down). The briefcase will contain various tools (screwdrivers and stuff), as well as various small, common replacement parts. Now, most of the time, ATM servicing is done by a standard technician who doesn't have a gun, and is employed by the service company. After hours, however, the servicing is done by employees of the armoured car company (usually Brinks or Securicor) who also have training as technicians. These guys are technically armoured car guards, and so they carry guns. Since they're not actually taking anything of value to or from the ATMs, however, they don't actually have to travel by armoured car, so they would use a regular vehicle.

And that's probably more info than you cared to know. ;)
All I want to know is, can one of them shoot fudd?
 

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FUDD is a TROLL.

It's pretty obvious to me that FUDD is fucking with everyone on here.

I especially love FUDD's use of "their" and "there". How many years did you work on that fucking degree?

His avatar is clearly meant to contradict his supposed beliefs.

Stupid thread started by a fucking retard.:rolleyes:

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Just dropped into work this week and found out the I've been left out of the loop on some decisions. The upper management are going to be installing card lock doors, bullet proof glass and a bunch of other security features.
Somebody musta heard you had a pellet gun! :p
 

Fudd

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How about the suggestion which I've already made a couple of times in this thread: give your managers and team leaders training to recognize and address the warning signs of potential violence.
Yup been taking notes.
 

Fudd

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To me it sounds like your company has some skeletons in the closet
from the past and the paranoia overfloweth. :rolleyes:

This wouldn't be an American based company...........would it? ;)

Try hiring people who don't have any fingers or that are blind.
That should prevent them from using guns. :D
And while you're at it check them out to see if they have any
background to Hamas or Al Quaeda.



.................QM'r
we had an incident in one of the US shop where a employee showed up with a gun and employees were injured. Company got sued for not providing a safe work environment.
 
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