No Guns Policy in my Company

[LightBearer]

. Ever hear of drive by shootings, mentally disturbed people going on killing sprees.

Ever hear of explosives? Ever hear of other weapons being used in crimes other than guns. What if someone runs around jabbing people with an HIV tainted needle, shall we ban hypodermic needles?

Heres 20/20 GUN BANS INCREASE CRIME RATE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyoLuTjguJA

They interview convicts and they said "THEY FEAR GUN CARRYING CITIZENS MORE THAN THE POLICE!"

and one of them says "I dont care what the law is I'mma carry one anyways" so gun bans dont mean shit to him...

High crime areas are also no gun zones like schools.

Heres ABC GUN CONTROL IS DANGEROUS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3EdeH5PBjU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP59nRBnA84&NR=1

Canadian PIG CUNT says its not ok to defend yourself with a firearm.
so you should call 911 and wait 5 mins so they can come outline your dead ass on the sidewalk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B2MWdiOPSY&feature=related

Englanders protesting gun bans due to the rise in crime AFTER the ban.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGVAQOUi6ec&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITfZ5D_DqhM&feature=related

If guns kill people then do pencils misspell words?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7upJDvuTEbg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH7XH74ewdM&feature=related

Woman is pro gun rights after home invasion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxUxpnXGJ7M&feature=related

Stalker busts into womans home and she shoots him, all on 911
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ExC7fE1LaY&feature=related

Fudd when you post, you post your opinions but maybe you should base your opinions on the real world, not how you THINK it should.

Heres some Obama shit for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMWxk9E9sKY&feature=related

 

[island-guy]

If you REALLY think that you can get away with discriminatory hiring practices because the human rights laws specifically don't list the thing you are discriminating against you're pretty ignorant of how labour laws work.

By your logic, you could fire an employee for living in a blue house if your company had a policy that all employees had to have yellow houses.

Or, you'd be able to fire an employee for trying to organize a union. Hey, it's not in the human rights laws..

Do you REALLY think that you wouldn't get successfully sued over it?

There is this thing called the BC Labour Code.

You might want to look at the BC Labour laws on hiring practices and termination of employment. You might be in for a big eye-opener there.

 

[island-guy]

Our company does follow these laws, we currently employ numerous gay men and women, and transgender individual, both single and married people, people who have been convicted of narcotics and other offences

Gee, no wonder you don't want those nutjobs owning guns...

 

[anatoli]

Very weak argument Fudd...

A gun is a tool that you fear, which is funny, as they are predominantly used for good. Like cars. Cars can be lethal, by street racing, or in conjunction with misuse of alcohol etc. Generally speaking cars are used every hour of every day for honest work. Every hour of every day the police use their guns, often just for show, as a deterrent and for the benefit of society. One nutjob uses a gun for evil and they are all bad? Do we ban cars when a street race kills or a DUI ? - no, we punish the offender. Cars are useful tools inspite of illegal horrific misuse. Just like guns. Would your workplace not hire a Camaro owner because some other unrelated asshat Camaro driver was involved in a drunk driving death. Wouldn't Camaro's be just as bad as guns; if some nutjob killed someone with their FireChicken?

Are you a rapist? No. But you do have a penis don't you?
How can you have a penis - yet not be a rapist? Does your workplace hire rapists? But they hire people with a penis? I'm confused... Why then, am I a murderer, if I own a gun?

You could stab someone with a knife, or rape someone with a penis - it isn't the device that make one insane. A gun does not predispose someone to any greater evil than a knife, penis, whatever...

Is your workplace going to ban your penis? Check your data... workplace sexual harassment is magnitudes greater the threat than gun violence. And I'm fucking sure that's in the human rights code.

Your workplace hiring policy should clearly avoid staff that have a penis... or a Camaro.

 

[Pantherdash]

What the real problem here is that the pro guns people are afraid of change. For generations guns have been a socially acceptable thing and the fact that society has finally realized that guns are no longer acceptable creates a fear for change.

Simple argument from a simple man.

Fudd, you should try to live in the REAL world. For once! You of all people should own and carry a gun, 'cause this world's going to eat you up if you don't.

Panther

 

[HeMadeMeDoIt]

LB you sound like my crazy late uncle. He was also a right wing crack pots who shot innocent animals to mount its head in the basement wall and talked about his days in the military. It really creeps me out when I remember as a kid playing is his basement while he was cleaning his guns.

And another thing how would you feel if it was one of your relatives or family members who was killed. Or if you were one of those caught up in that workplace shootout.

Your poor fucking uncle with his left wing pinko nutjob nephew!

I think I'm going to institute a no car policy in my company, I've lost two aunts in car accidents. Once I'm done with that next on my list is the no drinking policy too because I've been jumped by a pair of drunks. Then its a no fucking policy too since my neighbours once complained because my GF was too loud. Finally I'm going to insist that everyone that works for me must smoke pot and be lazy and want a union job!

Am I almost starting to sound as dumb as you yet?

 

[TheGuy]

Forget the no guns - how about just a no crazies hiring rule!

Lots of companies do great mental assessments.

 

[LightBearer]

Good thing Fudd isnt a politician or he'd come after our guns, then free speech then freedom of religion. Remember 9/11 was plotted by islamic facists *cough CIA funded google operation gladdio operation northwoods etc*.

 

[Unpossible]

Forget the no guns - how about just a no crazies hiring rule!

That would be discrimination and a massive lawsuit waiting to happen.

 

[Trevor2136]

Fudd:

You probably need to look deeper than a pamphlet that deals with the general cases.

The Supreme Court of Canada’s definition of discrimination contained in Andrews v. Law Society of British Columbia (1989), 10 C.H.R.R. D/5719 at D/5746, para. 41759:

…discrimination may be described as a distinction, whether intentional or not but based on grounds relating to personal characteristics of the individual or group, which has the effect of imposing burdens, obligations, or disadvantages on such individual or group not imposed upon others, or which withholds or limits access to opportunities, benefits, and advantages available to other members of society.

 

[Johnny_C]

Don't Fuck With Switzerland

Did you know that all Swiss males at the age of 20 go to basic training in the country's militia. They do not have a regular army.

Each male till the age of 30, keeps his fully automatic rifle and militia issued ammunition at his house. In the case of an invasion they are expected to rise up to the occupying force. When there service is over, they have the option of keeping there equipment. However the gun is modified to semi-automatic.

Guess what the gun crime rate is like there? Would you considering breaking into a house when there's a good chance of getting FUCKED UP by a M16.

Here is the Wikipedia link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

And here is Ron FUCKING Paul endorsing them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MB_rmUgH5o

Here is a Swiss man walking around in the FUCKING supermarket with a gun.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Caroline-Migros-p1000507.jpg

I wonder what the pooning is like down in Switzerland

 

[Thatotherguy]

Did you know that all Swiss males at the age of 20 go to basic training in the country's militia. They do not have a regular army.

Each male till the age of 30, keeps his fully automatic rifle and militia issued ammunition at his house. In the case of an invasion they are expected to rise up to the occupying force. When there service is over, they have the option of keeping there equipment. However the gun is modified to semi-automatic.

Don't forget about their Swiss Army Knives! Everyone in the Swiss Army/Militia has one. And that's why nobody messes with Switzerland!

 

[westernshagger]

Good Lord Fudd, what a load of idiotic crap! I would obviously not qualify to work for your dumb ass company.

It sounds like your uncle and me would get along just fine. I don't know where you went off the rails and turned out to be such a misguided leftest pinko bleeding heart basket case.

Anyways, isn't this board for pooning, not your misguided company policies.

 

[Fudd]

If you people want to work in an environment where people have guns go ahead but not for me. The people at the place I work all approve of these changes.

You can blame this whole mess on the idiots who did not vote for the Liberals who would have brought in a gun ban had they won the election in 05. We would not have to go through all this crap with making a new policy if the Liberals been allowed to follow through on its ban.

As for Switzerland, why do all gun nuts keep bringing that up. The swiss have realized the danger of there gun laws. Even now the Swiss are working towards tightning gun regulations it there country.

http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland#Gun_crime

"The issuing of ammunition was however abolished after a family shooting, in which the victim was a former ski champion.

There is a regulatory requirement that ammunition sold at ranges must be used there.

In 2001 Swiss citizen Friedrich Leibacher entered a regional Swiss parliament building and used an assault rifle to kill 14 people before killing himself.[3] Strangely enough, this wasn't his personal army issue weapon, but a private version of the army issue rifle. He committed suicide with a pistol and used an improvised explosive device.

It is claimed that approximately 300 deaths per year involve the use of Swiss army guns, mostly suicides and family murders.[5] As a result of this and similar media reports, gun control advocates are trying to halt the practice of military weapons issuance and storage in the private homes of Swiss Army members.

As of October 2007, the issuing of personal ammunition after boot camp has been discontinued and a majority of the already issued packs will be withdrawn within 2008.

Some 300 deaths per year are due to legally held army ordnance weapons, the large majority of these being suicides."

As for the guns being a deterrent for invasion of Switzerland, I highly doubt that it was the guns that did it. What prevents them from being a target of attack is there neutrality. In events of conflicts the Swiss have maintained there neutrality so that niether side had any reason to invade. And even if Switzerland were invaded, what good are guns against tanks and planes.

I think the Swiss will soon realize that allowing it citizens to have not just guns but military assault rifles is just plain foolish.

 

[Johnny_C]

If you people want to work in an environment where people have guns go ahead but not for me. The people at the place I work all approve of these changes.

Fudd, you do not seem to understand the problem here. It does not matter whether you or your colleagues agree with this. It matters when you turn away a potential employee because of his gun ownership. I can not find any evidence to contradict you, however I cannot fathom how this would be legal.

Imagine if an employer banned smoking after non-work hours. This is completely legal in the U.S., however I would trust that Canadian laws would protect the employee.

As for the argument that you can be sued for not providing a safe workplace, install metal detectors(this has been mentioned multiple times). If it is true that your gun ban is illegal, you cannot be sued for not implementing it.

Finally, you cannot access the gun registry. This is private information, and is protected by privacy laws. Thus, it would only be voluntary and you would have no recourse for those who refused. Here is the link http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/atip/atip_e.asp#1

As for Switzerland, why do all gun nuts keep bringing that up.

I take offence to this, I do not even own a gun. I just cannot stand when someone dictates to me how I should live my life. Especially, when your trying to punish a law abiding citizen.

Statistics Canada study confirms firearms and violent crime not linked. February 2008 http://jacksnewswatch.com/2008/03/03/statistics-canada-study-confirms-firearms-and-violent-crime-not-linked/

Over 75% of violent crime, there is no weapon involved.

9% of violent crime, knives or blunt instruments are used.

Wait for it.....
Only 2.4% of violent crimes were guns involved.

Knives were used to commit more murders, robberies, sexual assaults and assaults than guns.

Of all the murders that occurred between 1997 to 2006, only 1.2% were committed with a firearm registered to the accused.

Fudd, I understand your concerns, however I believe your simply punishing the wrong people. We should be more worried about the illegal guns coming across our border, the explosive increase in youth violence, and the alarming rate at which gangs are arming themselves. Punishing someone for a deer rifle seems absurd.

Johnny

 

[schizo_man]

Fudd, you do not seem to understand the problem here. It does not matter whether you or your colleagues agree with this.

Saying that he is right because they agree with him is a common tactic people use when they realize that they are on the loosing end of an argument. I think that Fudd knows he's wrong, but doesn't have the balls to admit to it. He's grasping at straws.

 

[festealth]

In 2001 Swiss citizen Friedrich Leibacher entered a regional Swiss parliament building and used an assault rifle to kill 14 people before killing himself.[3] Strangely enough, this wasn't his personal army issue weapon, but a private version of the army issue rifle. He committed suicide with a pistol and used an improvised explosive device.

It is claimed that approximately 300 deaths per year involve the use of Swiss army guns, mostly suicides and family murders.
Some 300 deaths per year are due to legally held army ordnance weapons, the large majority of these being suicides."

I don't think the above issue should be about banning guns, but treating those with mental health issues. No wack job, no murder/suicide.

Also, you left out this very important tidbit....

Some 300 deaths per year are due to legally held army ordnance weapons, the large majority of these being suicides. The majority of gun crimes involving domestic violence are perpetrated with army ordnance weapons, while the majority of gun crime outside the domestic sphere involves illegally held firearms.

 

[Thatotherguy]

Ironically enough Fudd's name brings to mind a certain cartoon character whose main activity is toting around a SHOTGUN and trying to KILL ducks, wabbits and extraterrestial beings.

Heck, not only does his name bring it to mind, but he's actually got a picture of the shotgun-sporting guy as his avatar.

 

[Fudd]

Just dropped into work this week and found out the I've been left out of the loop on some decisions. The upper management are going to be installing card lock doors, bullet proof glass and a bunch of other security features. The main office staff will be secured but does very little for the reception area which will still be accessable to the public. What safety policies and security do other companies take. Usefull suggestions only please.

Anybody know if there are any other security checks on potential employees in addition to criminal background check. Is there a security check we can do through the Federal Government. And in cases where we have to hire new immigrants is there a simple process of going to an international agency. Will Interpol provide a criminal background check?

 

[bcneil]

You could hire some security officers with guns.