Ok, everything else you said made sense...
Are you saying that we have a problem with violence involving privately owned nuclear power plants?
Or people bringing them into the workplace?
or ???
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Are you saying that we have a problem with violence involving privately owned nuclear power plants?
Or people bringing them into the workplace?
or ???
That entire post was copied and pasted. Not to mention all the fearmongering over Iran wanting nuclear power. Nuclear power and nuclear weapons are different, but oh no we gotta go get them brown people before they build a bomb!?
And since all brown people are inherently evil we should be weary of Mr.Obama. He's 75% arab 20% white and 5% black. Love it when black people say its a victory. LOL so ignorant. But I am also black, am I evil too!?!?
Its a victory for Communism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MouUJNG8f2k
And if you cant understand that look at the people around him. Gates,Clinton,Emmanuel i'm just waiting for him to appoint Karl Rove somewhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MouUJNG8f2k
And if you cant understand that look at the people around him. Gates,Clinton,Emmanuel i'm just waiting for him to appoint Karl Rove somewhere.
Frankly, if somebody brought a nuclear power plant into my workplace, I'd have a problem with it.
Actually Iran is doing research on nuclear WEAPONS and specifically building equipment for weapon production, not power production. That's why everyone's freaking out about it.
http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3611129,00.html
Iran is incapable of mking nukes anytime soon. Takes a couple thousand centrifuges a couple of years to make enriched uranium. But who cares about facts. Heres someting funny I found on CNN. Just remember its from an ISI General.... It gets good at 7:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juhAreG1p1c
Iran is incapable of mking nukes anytime soon. Takes a couple thousand centrifuges a couple of years to make enriched uranium. But who cares about facts. Heres someting funny I found on CNN. Just remember its from an ISI General.... It gets good at 7:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juhAreG1p1c
The only people freaking out about it are the people who dont have all the facts. Do you even know any Iranian people?
I know several, all of them fled the country when the religious extremists took over the government in the 70s. They are all quite scared by the idea of an Ayatollah with a nuclear weapon.
Are you ignoring the fact that their president has made it quite clear that he fully intends to develop nuclear weapons and that he has billions and billions of dollars of oil money to do it with?
And do you really think it would be THAT hard to get materials and equipment from what's left of the USSR?
The US electorate would have voted in a Mr Potato Head doll rather than face what they were told would be another 4 years of Bush-Style government.
There's no way that Obama will see a second term.
As a former gun owner and competitive shooter, I take exception to Fudd's comments about only air rifle events being included in the Olympics. This is incorrect. There are many non-air rifle shooting events in the Olympics.
A great deal of skill and dedication is required to become a high level competitve shooter. This is no different that the skill and dedication required to become a competitive hockey player. The skills learned in any sport go well beyond the techniques or skills of the sport. People learn sportsmanship, discipline, teamwork, self-control and a host of other life skills from all sports.
I have met people who are some of the best shooters in the world but were not successful or did not enjoy other sports.
While I completely understand and agree with the intention of the management of udd's company, I disagree with their policy for many of the reasons previously stated.
Fudd, if I may paraprhrase you, has stated that guns are no good because he disagrees with shooting as a sport, and disagrees with hunting because some people keep trophies and/or don't eat the carcuses. I would have a great deal more respect for your opinion if I understood that you had developed an informed opinion about these things.
Might I suggest that you: attend a firearms safety course as well as a hunter safety course, then spend 5 days at a range learning how to shoot safely and accurately. Then I will respect your opinions as informed about gun ownership.
I agree completely with Fudd's assertions about trophy hunters. Any hunter who doesn't consume the meat of the kill has no business hunting in my opinion. Fortunately in all of the hunters that I have met, I have never encountered one of these people.
It appears to me that Fudd's opinions are based on hearsay evidence and not informed opinion. I respectfully suggest that your management team become more informed about the subject before enacting rules that may place your company at significant risk of a lawsuit.
Trev
A great deal of skill and dedication is required to become a high level competitve shooter. This is no different that the skill and dedication required to become a competitive hockey player. The skills learned in any sport go well beyond the techniques or skills of the sport. People learn sportsmanship, discipline, teamwork, self-control and a host of other life skills from all sports.
I have met people who are some of the best shooters in the world but were not successful or did not enjoy other sports.
While I completely understand and agree with the intention of the management of udd's company, I disagree with their policy for many of the reasons previously stated.
Fudd, if I may paraprhrase you, has stated that guns are no good because he disagrees with shooting as a sport, and disagrees with hunting because some people keep trophies and/or don't eat the carcuses. I would have a great deal more respect for your opinion if I understood that you had developed an informed opinion about these things.
Might I suggest that you: attend a firearms safety course as well as a hunter safety course, then spend 5 days at a range learning how to shoot safely and accurately. Then I will respect your opinions as informed about gun ownership.
I agree completely with Fudd's assertions about trophy hunters. Any hunter who doesn't consume the meat of the kill has no business hunting in my opinion. Fortunately in all of the hunters that I have met, I have never encountered one of these people.
It appears to me that Fudd's opinions are based on hearsay evidence and not informed opinion. I respectfully suggest that your management team become more informed about the subject before enacting rules that may place your company at significant risk of a lawsuit.
Trev
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as for the guns in the workplace debate, has anybody really convinced another in this thread of their opinion? i don't see it. fudd still beleives that all weapons should be taken away from people legally so those that have them illegally have a free path to do as they please because we've disarmed the responsible. and those that think that weapons should be allowed (ie. it's the individuals not the weapons themselves that are the problem) haven't seemingly convinced anybody who didn't already agree with them.
i suppose you can't convince some people that the earth really isn't flat.
that's what they said of bush when he first got elected. i don't follow politics all that much and i suppose it depends on who's running against him.
as for the guns in the workplace debate, has anybody really convinced another in this thread of their opinion? i don't see it. fudd still beleives that all weapons should be taken away from people legally so those that have them illegally have a free path to do as they please because we've disarmed the responsible. and those that think that weapons should be allowed (ie. it's the individuals not the weapons themselves that are the problem) haven't seemingly convinced anybody who didn't already agree with them.
i suppose you can't convince some people that the earth really isn't flat.
That's also how it appears to absolutely everyone else except for Fudd... A very well thought-out post Trevor.
Fudd is the perfect example of what happens when you arent breast fed as a child resulting in a 20% smaller brain, along with childhood vaccines loaded with mercury. Fudd CANT COMPREHEND this because his brain cant think that far.
Your right about one thing, and that is there are alot of dumb Americans that are deluded and think that guns are socially acceptable and are going to protect them againt the big bad criminals when in fact its these guns that are causing death and chaos in the streets. Ever hear of drive by shootings, mentally disturbed people going on killing sprees. Even if there guns don't end up on the street, having a gun in the house increased the chance of death in cases of domestic violence and don't forget about suicides and acidental shootings.
Fortunately there are still enough start people in America that voted in Obama, who has worked hard to bring this culture of guns to and end.
"As a state legislator in Illinois, Obama supported banning the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic firearms, increasing state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms and requiring manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms."
"While in the U.S. Senate, Obama has supported several gun control measures, including restricting the purchase of firearms at gun shows and the reauthorization of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban. Obama voted against legislation protecting firearm manufacturers from certain liability suits, which gun-rights advocates say are designed to bankrupt the firearms industry"
Fortunately there are still enough start people in America that voted in Obama, who has worked hard to bring this culture of guns to and end.
"As a state legislator in Illinois, Obama supported banning the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic firearms, increasing state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms and requiring manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms."
"While in the U.S. Senate, Obama has supported several gun control measures, including restricting the purchase of firearms at gun shows and the reauthorization of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban. Obama voted against legislation protecting firearm manufacturers from certain liability suits, which gun-rights advocates say are designed to bankrupt the firearms industry"
What the real problem here is that the pro guns people are afraid of change. For generations guns have been a socially acceptable thing and the fact that society has finally realized that guns are no longer acceptable creates a fear for change.
This is analogeous to the smoking. At one time smoking was considered socially acceptable. But medical science has proven that smoking is a very real danger not only to the smokers health but also to those around them. And when goverments around the world starting enacting smoking bans you had very similar reactions from smokers who argued it was there right to smoke. Fortunately common sense has prevailed and smoking is slowly being eliminated and so will guns.
People should not be affraid of all these social changes. These changes are making our society a better safer place to live.
This is analogeous to the smoking. At one time smoking was considered socially acceptable. But medical science has proven that smoking is a very real danger not only to the smokers health but also to those around them. And when goverments around the world starting enacting smoking bans you had very similar reactions from smokers who argued it was there right to smoke. Fortunately common sense has prevailed and smoking is slowly being eliminated and so will guns.
People should not be affraid of all these social changes. These changes are making our society a better safer place to live.
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As for my companies policy being discriminatory, I have good news. I popped into work today and I was talking to one of the more senior mangers and he informed me about Human Rights In BC.
"In B.C. it is illegal to discrininate against or harass a person because of their.
race;
colour;
ancestry;
place of origin;
religion;
marital status;
family status;
physical and mental disability;
sex (includes pregnacy, breast feeding, and sexual harassment);
sexual orientation;
age (19 and over);
criminal conviction (in employment only);
political belief (in employment only);
lawful source of income (in tenancy only);
No where does it say anything about gun ownership.And unless owning a gun is in some sort of crazy religion I can't see any ground for a complaint.
Human Rights in BC
http://www.ag.gov.bc.ca/human-rights-protection/pdfs/ProtectDiscrimination.pdf
Our company does follow these laws, we currently employ numerous gay men and women, and transgender individual, both single and married people, people who have been convicted of narcotics and other offences, hell we even have someone that votes Conservative.
In a way I am kind of disappointed because if our company is sued for not hiring someone with a gun out company would defintely fight it on ground that the policy is for employee safety reasons and set a legal example for the rest of our contry so that this policy can be adopted by other companies to protect its emplyees.
"In B.C. it is illegal to discrininate against or harass a person because of their.
race;
colour;
ancestry;
place of origin;
religion;
marital status;
family status;
physical and mental disability;
sex (includes pregnacy, breast feeding, and sexual harassment);
sexual orientation;
age (19 and over);
criminal conviction (in employment only);
political belief (in employment only);
lawful source of income (in tenancy only);
No where does it say anything about gun ownership.And unless owning a gun is in some sort of crazy religion I can't see any ground for a complaint.
Human Rights in BC
http://www.ag.gov.bc.ca/human-rights-protection/pdfs/ProtectDiscrimination.pdf
Our company does follow these laws, we currently employ numerous gay men and women, and transgender individual, both single and married people, people who have been convicted of narcotics and other offences, hell we even have someone that votes Conservative.
In a way I am kind of disappointed because if our company is sued for not hiring someone with a gun out company would defintely fight it on ground that the policy is for employee safety reasons and set a legal example for the rest of our contry so that this policy can be adopted by other companies to protect its emplyees.
What a fantastic example of avoiding any of the logical arguments that people have made against your company's incredibly ill-informed policy. In one swoop you've managed to avoid thinking about any of these arguments for which you have no answer, while implying that anyone who disagrees with you and your company's policy must be a crazy right-wing gun nut. Do you think your little act of misdirection will fool anybody?
And you really think that a lot of people wouldn't argue that their right to own a gun is a part of their political belief? Hell, some of them are pretty much arguing it right in this thread! I'd never argue it myself, but if your company had a competent HR department, they'd be telling you that it could happen, and that it'd cost the company a bundle if it did.
Seriously, how about addressing my suggestion for a policy that might actually have a meaningful chance to reduce the risks of workplace violence. Oh, wait, I guess you won't because you're much more interested in appearing to care about making the world a better place rather than actually doing anything practical that is likely to have any sort of real effect.
