No Guns Policy in my Company

[Fudd]

Alleged assailant in party shooting in court
http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20081214/BC_Banky_shooting_forensic_charges_081214/20081215/?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

After this workplace incident my company has quickly adopted a new hiring policy. Starting in the New year we will not hire any body who owns guns. This policy was unanimously adopted as an ongoing policy of zero tolerance for violence in the workplace.

And yours truly has had a major hand in bring this up to the rest of management. This is one thing I and proud of achieving and hopefully it will help me in my future career goals. In keeping with fairness, air rifles are exempt as long as they are registered and properly licenced.

In all fairness the ideal was not originally mine but came from the people in my building who made our building a "Gun Free Zone". And guess what we have not have any gun violence in our building.

Gun Free Zone
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=70197&highlight=zone

 

[MissingOne]

What you mean is, the only gun owners your company will hire are those who own guns illegally and lie about it when they apply for the job.

Personally I think you'd be better off to go for the honest and responsible gun owners, but it's your choice.

 

[stryker]

What if they lie about owning a firearm? Many people own guns that arn't registared,,,,,,,,really,,how are you going to know aside from the check mark on their application form

 

[schizo_man]

lol man oh man. the delusion never stops. ever hear of employment standards? not hiring someone who is qualified for a job for the reason that they legally own a firearm is opening the door for a lawsuit. ready for that yet? For someone who is advocating personal freedoms, etc this seems hitleresque.

 

[Fudd]

Lying on the application is ground for getting rid of the individual. We will be filtering people maily through a preliminary interview. And when the final dicision about hiring someone is made we'll do a criminal background check through the Vancouver Police and the Gun Registry. More details will be worked out in the New Year when everybody get back to work.

 

[schizo_man]

Fudd have you really honestly thought this through? sure you can do a criminal record check, child welfare, etc. Don't think you have access to the gun registry though, unless you are a police department.

Also, if a criminal record check indicates that the person has a record, it won't say what the record is for, just that he has one.

 

[Thatotherguy]

Like schizo_man says, this is opening your company up to a whole mess of potential lawsuits. Don't you have anyone competent in your HR department? They should have shot this idea down before it got off the ground.

 

[schizo_man]

Bottom line is that you can't dictate what people do in their private time. What they do when they are not working for you (unless it's illegal and they have been charged and convicted) is none of your companies business. The only way you might be able to do this is if the employee signs a personal conduct contract with you. They have to do this on their own free will, not be coerced. A person who signs this one in particular would have to have something wrong in their head IMHO. would you also restrict owership of really nasty looking knives?

how about just have a person with good interviewing skills, who will actually contact references and know what LEGAL questions to ask, involved in the hiring process? Believe it or not, there are people who DON'T own guns that you might not want to hire as well

 

[LightBearer]

Fudd you are too fucking stupid to be real. GUNS DONT KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE. You ban guns only the non law abiding citizens ie:CRIMINALS will have them. Look at the UK, gun ban = 4000 stabbings THIS YEAR ALONE. Guns dont jump out of there holsters and run around shooting at will. The retard BEHIND the gun is responsible. If you get hit by a car who you blame the car or the driver? More people are killed by cars than guns. Fuck sakes Fudd your stupidity has no end. Didnt you say knives should be banned after the guy on bus had his head sawed off? Imagine if the driver had a gun. You think that kid might still be alive today? Go watch the LA riot footage of guy on his roof defending his property from an entire MOB of people and tell me automatic weapons dont have any purpose. The night Obama won election USA had RECORD gun sales, stores cleared out. They know a gun grabbing communist when they see one. Taking away guns doesnt lower crime. If anything everyone should be armed.

heres a list of the #1 gun grabebrs of all time
http://www.the-two-malcontents.com/wp-content/uploads/gun_control_works21.jpg

Theres a saying with martial arts You learn them so you never have to use them. Same with guns, you hope you never have to use one on a fellow human being unless they cross the line and put your life in jeopardy. Remeber the psycho who climbed the texas clock tower and started shooting? What did the people do? THEY WENT HOME GOT THERE GOD FORSAKEN FIREARMS CAME BACK AND LAID DOWN SUPPRESIVE FIRE TO ALLOW THE POLICE TO RUN UP TOWER AND IT WAS A CITIZEN THAT WENT UP WITH THEM AND KILLED THE GUY.

Atleast think before you start a thread. Firearm owners cant work here? LOL isnt that discrimination?

 

[LightBearer]

FACT criminals move to citites with gun bans. Unarmed citizens are easier prey than armed citizens.


Kennesaw, Georgia 89% drop in crime
Reports of resulting burglary-rate statistics
Gary Kleck, a criminologist and gun-control critic attributes a drop of 89% in the residential burglary rate to the law.[3] Kennesaw is often cited by advocates of gun ownership as evidence that gun ownership deters crime. (see, for instance, this 2004 sheet of talking points from the Gun Owners of America). Others have challenged this conclusion, however, citing data showing that the number of burglaries in the 10 years spanning the passing of the ordinance remains roughly the same, while burglaries dropped in the city of Morton Grove following their gun ban. [4]. These statistics are in turn disputed because the report in question lacked important considerations such as proportions for the population and growth over time.

Current statistics indicate that Kennesaw's crime rate[6] is lower compared to surrounding cities like Marietta[7], Smyrna[8], Alpharetta[9], or Atlanta[10].


Knoxville,Tenn
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/16/opinion/16reynolds.html

and I could go on and on with FACTS AND SCIENTIFIC DATA.

LESS GUNS = MORE CRIME

GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!

 

[Fudd]

This whole thing is a safety issue.

That workplace shooting a few weeks ago really scared everbody. All the managers agreed that this policy should be adopted. Everbody was concerned about employee safety and that is what this whole issue was about.

We have in place in our company a non violence policy and if we do not expand this policy and something happens the company will be accountable according to several other managers.

Its not like we are taking away the potential employees rights, I as a "legally registered owner" of an air rifle I did propose an exception to this policy. Potential employess still have the right to own an air rifle if they want to.

I like that ideal about the "personal conduct contract" I think I'll suggest it during the next meeting.

 

[Claptix]

Well you better ban knives too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre

 

[schizo_man]

I like that ideal about the "personal conduct contract" I think I'll suggest it during the next meeting.

Just make sure to tell them that you heard if from Schizo on Perb. Think I deserve some credit..... lol

just make sure that the knee jerk reaction to the workplace shooting doesn't hurt your company in the long term.

as an aside comment, perhaps your company should adopt a policy against their employee's seeing SP's, MP's, cause hell, that could bring an STD into the workplace.
How would your female co-workers feel about you visiting escorts? What if they felt that was perverse and wanted the company to do something about it cause they felt uncomfortable when you looked at them? You ready to lose your job? Kinda the same thing that you'll be doing to a legal gun owner.

Just trying to help you not be too hypocritical

 

[Fudd]

LB you sound like my crazy late uncle. He was also a right wing crack pots who shot innocent animals to mount its head in the basement wall and talked about his days in the military. It really creeps me out when I remember as a kid playing is his basement while he was cleaning his guns.

And another thing how would you feel if it was one of your relatives or family members who was killed. Or if you were one of those caught up in that workplace shootout.

As for crime, I did not say anything about gun control completly ending crime. Gun control is only one element. To end crime we have to address the causes of crime of which is mental illness, substance dependency, poverty, youth gangs, social injustice and many other social issues.

As for the record gun sales the night Obama won. It just tells me there are a lot of nut bars in the US.

 

[Mr Blonde]

in the spirit of the christmas season i am watering this down

you get dumber and dumber with every post.

 

[LightBearer]

So what if a disgrunteld employee who doesn't own fireams, aquires one legally or illegaly and shoots up a staff party? What if he makes a big ass home made explosive and blows up the entire party? What if he's some ridiculous ninja or something and kills everyone by hand?

 

[schizo_man]

what about people who drink alcohol, drive and then kil someone? personally I'd be more pissed at that happening to a loved one.

Better draw up a policy on employee's owning alcohol too.

 

[Fudd]

As I said this was not solely my policy. I only proposed it during the management meeting and everybody unanimously agreed to put it in place. Our company is not a dictatorship. In fact a few years ago our company won an award for being one of the most desirable companies to work for in Vancouver.

 

[anatoli]

Knee jerk brown nosing useless wank!

Knives are used in violent crime more than guns - are you going to screen for ownership of those?

You are statistically 7.5 times more likely to die from HIV/AIDS than a gun related homicide in Canada. (.48 death/100k population gun homicide, 3.6/100k HIV/AIDS - StatsCan 2002 go ahead, check yourself!) Try and avoid the human rights case screening staff for HIV/AIDS.

During a violent crime - or any other situation that merits police intervention - why do you call them?
Is it because they arrive in special cars with lights and sirens?
Is it because they have neatly pressed uniforms?
I don't think so...
So what do they bring of value?

In Canada guns are predominantly used for good. The police, some border guards, the military and others are authorized to use them to protect citizens and keep peace and order. Private citizens are, through careful screening, testing, and strict ownership requirements, allowed to use them for work, recreation or keep them as a collection.

I have two UBC degrees, a mortgage, speak three languages, am a Big Brother (so I've passed all the criminal record checks), and have never thrown a punch outside the dojo - and somehow I'm a problem for you and your workplace?

Work on real problems. Two homeless people burned to death in the last 12 months. Anything your workplace is doing to help them?

 

[schizo_man]

while I don't agree with it, I understand the sentiment. We all would like to stop needless killing, I just think that this hasn't been thought through and is a knee jerk reaction.