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wintersurfer

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I shouldn't say no, but it seems like there is a big lack of quality independent providers now a days? And if i'm being honest, a lot of the girls on tryst don't seem very appealing to me from a physical attractiveness standpoint. A lot of indys aren't very convenient anymore. Im finding myself going towards agencies more often these days, despite always having a preference for independents in the past.
Anyone else feel the same way?
A Quick Look through Tryst and Perb I can see lots of amazing “independent” ladies, I find when booking Indies it helps if I am organized with a day/time/length etc, just to name a few I have seen…
Sexy Sienna
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Sascha Doll
Kiara Love
Adelaide Jones
Barbie Dal
Allison Paige
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many providers struggle to find clients right now. I have seen you and other on twitter complain about this.
I have lots of inquiries. But I won’t compromise my safety or integrity to see someone who won’t screen, haggles, is rude, etc. I could be seeing multiple people a day but I’d have bad experiences. So no, I don’t struggle to find clients; I struggle to find good clients.
 

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There are some great Indy providers out there I've enjoyed (Frankie Finesse; Vienna Banks; Eden Frost; Mischa Minx; Regan Azazel) but that setup doesn't have the convenience that an agency has.

I like to know who is up for the evening and decide whether to book or not. With IPs there's always somewhat of a lag between knowing when they are available and if that's going to work for me.

I appreciate the IPs and will support those I know and enjoy, but yeah, the majority of my business does tend to end up at the agencies.
Thank you 🩷
 
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rubylabellexo

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Having a third party involved makes it safer for both SP and client.
While being in a space with other people around can make things safer, many agencies do NOT have the safety of their workers at heart, and will allow known unsafe clients to book with new girls. This is especially problematic for outcalls.
 

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Interesting. That's good to know and something I've never considered. Would you mind PMing me to share which agencies you recommend avoiding for this reason? I've had great experiences with agencies so far, but I don't want to support those that don't treat the ladies fairly.

I want to clarify something. Earlier in this thread, I mentioned that I would never book with an independent again. What I actually meant was that I wouldn't book through platforms like Leolist because they've become so scam-ridden lately, and I've had several bad experiences with it. However, I'm completely open to booking with established independents like yourself.

Honestly, I wouldn't be able to come up with a list for you. I've talked to quite a few colleagues over the years who have shared similar sentiments - agencies would send them to clients who had behaved badly with other workers, and life got a lot better once they went indy and they had full control over who they saw.

Obviously there are upsides too - not having to market and handle the booking process yourself is a big one. And I'm sure some agencies do a pretty good job looking out for their workers.

Glad you're open to seeing indies! LL is indeed a gamble, but if you find someone with a good web presence (personal site, Twitter, ads in multiple places etc) that's a pretty good sign. Scheduling can be trickier, but often worth the effort.
 

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There are quite a few superb Indy’s out there. Having said that though everyone’s experiences are different. If you ready to spend a bit extra then there are quite a few options.

1. The stunning Mia Kane.
2. Kissing Machine Sierra Wilde.
3. Hottie Karina Espinosa.
4. The Asian Stunner Sasha Wylde.
5. The Blonde Bombshell Sasha Doll.
 

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Honestly, I wouldn't be able to come up with a list for you. I've talked to quite a few colleagues over the years who have shared similar sentiments - agencies would send them to clients who had behaved badly with other workers, and life got a lot better once they went indy and they had full control over who they saw.

Obviously there are upsides too - not having to market and handle the booking process yourself is a big one. And I'm sure some agencies do a pretty good job looking out for their workers.

Glad you're open to seeing indies! LL is indeed a gamble, but if you find someone with a good web presence (personal site, Twitter, ads in multiple places etc) that's a pretty good sign. Scheduling can be trickier, but often worth the effort.
You should probably be able to come up with a list if you are going to make such accusations.
Not saying you are wrong necessarily.
But its quite the accusation to throw out without being able to back it up.
If you don't back it up, it could look like you are just trying to attack others business because yours isn't doing to well (not saying thats the case) just thats how it appears.

Looking forward to seeing your list of agencies that are not SAFE!
 

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There are quite a few superb Indy’s out there. Having said that though everyone’s experiences are different. If you ready to spend a bit extra then there are quite a few options.

1. The stunning Mia Kane.
2. Kissing Machine Sierra Wilde.
3. Hottie Karina Espinosa.
4. The Asian Stunner Sasha Wylde.
5. The Blonde Bombshell Sasha Doll.
To each their own,
I have seen 4 out of 5 and would say mid to below average on all.
Certainly extreme use of photos editing and lying about ages!
 

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You should probably be able to come up with a list if you are going to make such accusations.
Not saying you are wrong necessarily.
But its quite the accusation to throw out without being able to back it up.
If you don't back it up, it could look like you are just trying to attack others business because yours isn't doing to well (not saying thats the case) just thats how it appears.

Looking forward to seeing your list of agencies that are not SAFE!
I'm not going to be doing that, but there are plenty of people that have talked about their former experiences with agencies on Twitter. They aren't naming them publicly, for good reason, but will warn other providers privately. Do you think I want these agencies coming after me?
I simply wanted to gently push back on the claim that agencies are inherently safer for providers.

You can interpret my comment however you like, but I'm doing just fine, thank you :)
 

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I can appreciate that being independent is hard. These ladies run their own business, deal with difficult, rude, and demanding clients, or worse, always have to be concerned about their safety, and have to maintain their bodies and mental well being to keep doing what they do. I can for sure see why someone would get jaded or bitter, or let quality slide... it's not easy. Agencies do have more consistency which is nice but I've had my best, and worst, experiences with independents. Seeing a reputable independent would always be preferable to me, as hard as they can be to come by.
 

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MrMiyagi said:
Unless she has wildly amazing reviews on this forum by established users, I'm never booking with independent ever again.
I want to clarify something. Earlier in this thread, I mentioned that I would never book with an independent again. What I actually meant was that I wouldn't book through platforms like Leolist because they've become so scam-ridden lately, and I've had several bad experiences with it. However, I'm completely open to booking with established independents [...]
I am glad to read a better formulation for this statement! Thanks, MrMiyagi! It always irks me when I am put in the same basket as scammers on Leolist. They have a category of their own, and I don't even think "independent providers" apply at all, they are simply scammers. Saying what you said the first time kind of puts a bad label on all of us who are real and put a lot of effort into making a good living in this industry, it couldn't be further from the truth!
 

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You should probably be able to come up with a list if you are going to make such accusations.
Not saying you are wrong necessarily.
But its quite the accusation to throw out without being able to back it up.
If you don't back it up, it could look like you are just trying to attack others business because yours isn't doing to well (not saying thats the case) just thats how it appears.

Looking forward to seeing your list of agencies that are not SAFE!
I just want to chime in here to back up what Ruby said, some of my absolute worst experiences were working for agencies. Some agency owners are straight up pimps. One agency in Whistler, told me pretend you have a french accent. he wants a french girl lol. Another agency here in town sent me to a client an hour away for a discounted rate who tried to cross so many boundaries, was really pushy, demandig, and very creepy, tried to get my phone number and tried to have sex without a condom. I later found out that guy gets discounted because he's the agencies spy to see what a girl will and won't do. I lasted a week at that place before I just ghosted them. I worked at a place in a different city where a new girl came back to the brothel covered in bite marks in tears because she didn't know how to say no to an agency regular. I can go all day telling horror stories about various agencies.

These were a really long time ago, seeing as how I've been independent for over a decade, so the actual who and what is irrelevant today.

Some agencies are great tho. I have fond memories of some of the places I've worked and I've met some life long friends in agencies as well
 

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Feeling like this a concern for a special tier of clients. Same way yacht mooring fees and capital gains taxes are concerns for the regular Joe.
the funniest thing about this thread is there is actually a “yachmaster” member!
He didn’t like this post though so maybe they did raise yachts mooring fees.
 

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There are some great Indy providers out there I've enjoyed (Frankie Finesse; Vienna Banks; Eden Frost; Mischa Minx; Regan Azazel) but that setup doesn't have the convenience that an agency has.

I like to know who is up for the evening and decide whether to book or not. With IPs there's always somewhat of a lag between knowing when they are available and if that's going to work for me.

I appreciate the IPs and will support those I know and enjoy, but yeah, the majority of my business does tend to end up at the agencies.
Thank you for the mention!! Xox
 
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