The US economy was fucking brutal during most of the Reagan presidency. Remember, this was the period that Bruce Springsteen felt compelled to write his 'Born in the USA' album for. It railed at what was happening in the US, particularly to the economy and general treatment of Vietnam War veterans. But the fucking balloon heads that ran Reagan's reelection campaign actually thought the title track was a patriotic anthem and tried to get Springsteen's permission to use it as his campaign theme song. That was too rich.
No Class!!!
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Reagonomics
My point exactly. Reagonomics (and Thatcheromics) was vindicated so well that even a Democrat President and Labour Prime Minister didn't dare screw with it - we have basically the same policies today. Compare the US and Britain vs Germany and France in the last 15 years (and if you want to go back 25, I suppose that would be fair too and I believe that my arguement stands).HankQuinlan said:
First - the US economy was good in the last half with a strong recovery.BushPilot said:
Second - what, his album was released in 84, at the tail end of a brutal recession that immediately followed Carter's Presidency.
Third - Bruce Springsteen will always find something to rail against in any economy.
Fourth - if we stipulate that the people that ran Reagan's re-election campaign were balloon heads (a dubious assertion since they did get him re-elected in a walk), what does that got to do with Reaganomics. (Or more colloquially - Your Point?)
Fifth - One of Reaganomic's greatest chearleaders (Greenspan) is still the Chairman of the Fed and even almost all but the most far left Democrats admire his performance.
Accuracy's Sake
Details. His basic point was valid and deserved a proper response.BushPilot said:
He won. Deal with it. He won with a bigger %vote than the NDP has EVER had in BC in any of their horrible governments which each time set us back to paleolithic economics with less money for the very things that the NDP insist we have.Ironhead said:
The Liberals are a party, not Gordon Campbell. If that whiny tub of a NDP leader was not permitted to say the words "Gordon Campbell's Liberals" during the debate or during the campaign, she would had nothing to say (oh, that's right, she didn't have anything to say - my mistake).
they were quick to find tax breaks for the rich and quick to find the money to richen doctor's salaries by off-loading the costs on those least likely to afford to continue supporting the rich ...Jonesy said:
maybe they should spend more time finding a conscience than ways to take money from the poor.
I dont think you can convince Lonely Ghost, that is a strong following that the NDP has targeted.
It is publicly easy to show those numbers of people being "targeted" .. a person the other day said they were targeted b/c they now had to fill out forms to collect money - reason b/c many people were cheating the system .. and they critized Liberals for screwing them , yet they were requested to fill out a log for reciepts for reimbursement during medical trips as they were on social assistance...
If you dont create tax breaks for big companies, no one will be able to work for them. That is why many business were and some still moving away.
When the NDP was in power less and less people decided to open up business.. why b/c they got jack for breaks while employees had the power.. if these people decide that the risk is not worth it the economy falls and social services will be cut big TIME!..
NDP admitted they went over board on social services and made a mistake, yet supporters use that as there platform ????
It is publicly easy to show those numbers of people being "targeted" .. a person the other day said they were targeted b/c they now had to fill out forms to collect money - reason b/c many people were cheating the system .. and they critized Liberals for screwing them , yet they were requested to fill out a log for reciepts for reimbursement during medical trips as they were on social assistance...
If you dont create tax breaks for big companies, no one will be able to work for them. That is why many business were and some still moving away.
When the NDP was in power less and less people decided to open up business.. why b/c they got jack for breaks while employees had the power.. if these people decide that the risk is not worth it the economy falls and social services will be cut big TIME!..
NDP admitted they went over board on social services and made a mistake, yet supporters use that as there platform ????
Lonley Ghost:
Last post you said we made no comment to there stats.. we'll urgently waiting for a comment .. and to add to it lets see what the boys did best last time around..
NDP fiscal boondoggles
$463 million wasted on “fast” ferries
$1 billion in business subsidies
$310 million for the NDP’s “fixed wage” policy
$1.2 billion in Forrest Renewal B.C. spending, without a business plan
$73 million for a Convention Centre study, again, without a business plan
$125 million in foregone federal revenue from the Nanoose Bay lease fiasco
$65 million on a photo radar program that failed miserably
$11.4 million for Hydrogate losses.
$25 million loan for a private company that planned to turn Burns Bog into a theme park
Last post you said we made no comment to there stats.. we'll urgently waiting for a comment .. and to add to it lets see what the boys did best last time around..
NDP fiscal boondoggles
$463 million wasted on “fast” ferries
$1 billion in business subsidies
$310 million for the NDP’s “fixed wage” policy
$1.2 billion in Forrest Renewal B.C. spending, without a business plan
$73 million for a Convention Centre study, again, without a business plan
$125 million in foregone federal revenue from the Nanoose Bay lease fiasco
$65 million on a photo radar program that failed miserably
$11.4 million for Hydrogate losses.
$25 million loan for a private company that planned to turn Burns Bog into a theme park
massageseeker said:
don't disagree with that BUT my POINT is WHY are the Liberals ONLY targetting the poor, the sick, the disabled, the elderly in their pursuit of fixing it???
Why
Once the sucking stops and the economy recovers, then we can spend more money there.
The government never produces anything. It only transfers and wastes (hopefully only a little).
Therefore, anything the government does is a luxery, only to be spent when the private economy is healthy enough to support the luxery.
How many pooners have no place to live or nothing to eat. You won't be pooning for long if you don't take care of the basic necessity.
Because that is where the tax money that was sucking the life out of our economy was being wasted.LonelyGhost said:
Once the sucking stops and the economy recovers, then we can spend more money there.
The government never produces anything. It only transfers and wastes (hopefully only a little).
Therefore, anything the government does is a luxery, only to be spent when the private economy is healthy enough to support the luxery.
How many pooners have no place to live or nothing to eat. You won't be pooning for long if you don't take care of the basic necessity.
so you consider helping the poor, the sick, the disabled, the elderly to be nothing but a 'sucking waste'?David in Van said:
That's the attitude that the Liberal gov't has had for four years and is abhorrent to anyone with a conscience or a soul.
that is an easy saying the poor, disabled etc etc.. the saying tries to make people for them.. and I do and most people do ..but if you dnt create an economy with high tax payers who pays for these service ?
NDP invested your money illegally in the stock market out of ICBC and pretty much lost 80% does that not make you upset. Could you not give that money to the poor, disabled etc etc
and of course bingogate scandal, if anyone hurt the the poor, the sick, the disabled, the elderly ....it would have been the NDP they stole from them!
FRBC they gave free money to laid off forest workest workers that most were very well off.. just laid off for the season why did that money not go to social services ?
NDP invested your money illegally in the stock market out of ICBC and pretty much lost 80% does that not make you upset. Could you not give that money to the poor, disabled etc etc
and of course bingogate scandal, if anyone hurt the the poor, the sick, the disabled, the elderly ....it would have been the NDP they stole from them!
FRBC they gave free money to laid off forest workest workers that most were very well off.. just laid off for the season why did that money not go to social services ?
You have people on social assistance not announcing common law status so 1 person can get assistance ? yet spouse has a 60,000 job .
You have people collecting EI travelling the world, I wish I could do that but I need to work to support many of them. If everyone had that attitude what would happen to BC ?
Those people wont vote Liberal b/c they requested all EI assistance people to stay in BC during that time unless they need to go ... they said they should be looking for work when on EI ... what is wrong with that ?
NDP decided to give huge grants to students with little money. Yet student with the same summber job saved his/her money while other spent it on whatever.. beer, pooning etc.. what is the incentive ? to save.. yet you hate liberals for making system fair ?
You have people collecting EI travelling the world, I wish I could do that but I need to work to support many of them. If everyone had that attitude what would happen to BC ?
Those people wont vote Liberal b/c they requested all EI assistance people to stay in BC during that time unless they need to go ... they said they should be looking for work when on EI ... what is wrong with that ?
NDP decided to give huge grants to students with little money. Yet student with the same summber job saved his/her money while other spent it on whatever.. beer, pooning etc.. what is the incentive ? to save.. yet you hate liberals for making system fair ?
massageseeker,
the stuff you mention has been going on long before the ndp ever got elected as a government ...
i knew people going to University on the old 'grant' program who bought cars using the grant money ... and most of them didn't need the grant money but they burnt the program for people who did need it.
if someone defrauds as you claim then i would seize their assets or their putative spouse's assets.
there is now a program in place that customs can cross-check your name and send it to the EI program ... boot em and sue when they get back.
but why oh why oh why is it so difficult for people who are better off in terms of health and wealth to show one bit of compassion for those who are not? and to step up and pay their fair share?
and why do companies need to be paid to hire someone ... wouldn't it be cheaper to just pay the guy who needs the job to stay home instead of spending millions and millions to create a few lousy low paying, no benefit jobs?
I am just constantly amazed at the lack of compassion you guys have for other human beings ... it is disgusting.
the stuff you mention has been going on long before the ndp ever got elected as a government ...
i knew people going to University on the old 'grant' program who bought cars using the grant money ... and most of them didn't need the grant money but they burnt the program for people who did need it.
if someone defrauds as you claim then i would seize their assets or their putative spouse's assets.
there is now a program in place that customs can cross-check your name and send it to the EI program ... boot em and sue when they get back.
but why oh why oh why is it so difficult for people who are better off in terms of health and wealth to show one bit of compassion for those who are not? and to step up and pay their fair share?
and why do companies need to be paid to hire someone ... wouldn't it be cheaper to just pay the guy who needs the job to stay home instead of spending millions and millions to create a few lousy low paying, no benefit jobs?
I am just constantly amazed at the lack of compassion you guys have for other human beings ... it is disgusting.
... and while on the subject of rip-offs ...
ENRON
BRE-X
that's the noble business model we should aspire to?
ENRON
BRE-X
that's the noble business model we should aspire to?
