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vancity_cowboy

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You have to take a Zen approach... ultimately it's karma. Your girlfriend is a pinhead. Your guy friend is a clown.

Your girl friend deserves the douches she goes out with. They will maltreat hear and she deserves it.

Your neutered male friend is a pussy who should know better depending on his age. He deserves the angst, frustration and heartache he's getting from your pin head lady friend.

So in the end... they get what they deserve. It's balanced. It's karma. You have to observe people long enough and you'll see how harmonious it really is. :)
wow... i mean WOW!!! that is definitely some of the truest stuff i have read - here or anywhere else for that matter. refreshing and inspiring...

+1 :nod: :thumb: :cool:
 

sr8razr

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You have to take a Zen approach... ultimately it's karma. Your girlfriend is a pinhead. Your guy friend is a clown.

Your girl friend deserves the douches she goes out with. They will maltreat hear and she deserves it.

Your neutered male friend is a pussy who should know better depending on his age. He deserves the angst, frustration and heartache he's getting from your pin head lady friend.

So in the end... they get what they deserve. It's balanced. It's karma. You have to observe people long enough and you'll see how harmonious it really is. :)
^^^^^^This
 
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it's unfortunate but true. nice guys finish last. !!!! you slip in to friend mode. and it doesnt matter haow nice you are, you just slip. i have alot of guy friends who have the same problem i always tell them to toughen up . and be meaner
 

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Yes, the 'friend mode'...he has been in love with her for about 4 years now. They met in high school and they are still quite young.

I questioned him "How can you want her after she was with him?" (loser douche bag, arch enemy)

He is also one of those unfortunate people who need to care about someone in order to become intimate.

Trouble is...he finds he really nice girls boring!
 

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...thats when you grow one inch closer to becoming a cranky, lonely old man...
you make that sound like a bad thing...

i'm the crankiest old bastard around - and that lonely kinda grows on you after a while... lol
 

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Well, stalking is a bit harsh....they are actually friends. They actually hang out and do stuff as friends. He keeps his feelings to himself.
 

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Yep I guess that includes me? Soft spoken, polite, educated, non-drinker, pay my bills early, never late for work, no "game" to speak of... I always want to land the cheerleader or "hot" girl, but it's never happened yet! Oh well, life is not meant to be fair, especially dating. I count my blessings and yes I do still get dates (albeit from being introduced or through pof), but I've yet to get a hot petite girl like I've wanted. It's comforting to know I'm not alone though!
 

vancity_cowboy

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mimi, does she know he's interested?

I screwed up once with a woman I thought was in the "friend zone", she had been waiting for me to act like I liked her. When I'm in the "friend zone" I sort of go into "big brother" mode and she wasn't looking for a big brother. She eventually found a guy that was willing to act like he liked her.
likewise i thought i was in the friend zone a few times then learned much later (after they had gone on to other guys) that i was dead wrong and that they were there for the taking :(
 

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I think Women (and Men), don't really know what they want until they get older. (Generally speaking)

Women may confuse the bad attitude, nonchalant, big ego of a bad boy...with confidence. They also like a bit of a "passionate relationship"
Women may also want someone to 'take control', and nice guys may just respect women too much.

I think these 'qualities" of a bad boy become less important as women get more mature.
Just a couple of thoughts
 
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I think Women (and Men), don't really know what they want until they get older. (Generally speaking)

Women may confuse the bad attitude, nonchalant, big ego of a bad boy...with confidence. They also like a bit of a "passionate relationship"
Women may also want someone to 'take control', and nice guys may just respect women too much.

I think these 'qualities" of a bad boy become less important as women get more mature.
Just a couple of thoughts
For those of you who find this thread interesting... you should read up on Sociobiology. There are some good books that explain some of the apparent contradictions in female behaviour. I read a book called 'Sperm Wars' years ago and it gave me an interesting perspective. I've always been a romantic person (still am - it's like herpes it never goes away :) ). But the fact is that infidelity is built into the system.

Women are attracted to 'player genes' because they're successful. However they're also attracted to stability because they need a reliable partner to provide for their children. The human female is, I believe, the only female mammal that can conceal her peak ovulation period. Every other species of female advertises distinctly when they are ready to ovulate.

The reason is so that women can consciously or unconsciously select the genes they most prefer. Having a solid, reliable mate to raise your kids... who doesn't realize that they're actually the 'pool boy's' kids is the genetic optimum.

Of course there's lots of countervailing factors and fidelity is prized and reinforced strongly by internal motivation as well as social sanctions. Men shouldn't play around on their wives... and women shouldn't mess around behind their husband's backs right? Right. And although both behaviours are bad... it's worse if the women cheats. Why? The old 'double standard' right? Here's why. It's biology. The reason it's worse is because a woman can never be tricked into raising offspring that aren't her own when she thinks they are. A man can. That's the bottom line. From an evolutionary standpoint, that's suicide. It's worse than personal suicide, it's genetic suicide. If you're a man, you've just forfeited all your nestbuilding and energy investment in rearing some other man's children. It's bad for a woman too... because she doesn't want you investing your energy and resources into some other woman's offspring. That's not good for her own babies.. but it's not as dire of a situation.

It's all biology. No, it's not very romantic but it does explain some things at the root level. Helps weed through the 'paradox' and mystery that surrounds relationships between the sexes and the puzzling notion of monogamy, what women want, what women say they want and why there seems to be so much ambivalence on their end. They're confusing to us men... they are designed to be that way.

I've noticed how women go through stages and prefer stability as they get older... I think everyone sees that. Childrearing changes a lot.. I've also noticed how many women lose interest in the men they're married too once they fill their lives with children. It doesn't have to be that way... but it helps to understand the biological context in which we live. If you're going to have a mate - you better have a damn good friendship as well because friendship engenders loyalty better than almost anything outside of a direct genetic tie.
 

shockley

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Yep I guess that includes me? Soft spoken, polite, educated, non-drinker, pay my bills early, never late for work, no "game" to speak of... I always want to land the cheerleader or "hot" girl, but it's never happened yet! Oh well, life is not meant to be fair, especially dating. I count my blessings and yes I do still get dates (albeit from being introduced or through pof), but I've yet to get a hot petite girl like I've wanted. It's comforting to know I'm not alone though!
You forgot superficial. Hots girls want hot men, not somebody who pays their bills on time. Hence your dilemma.
 
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I agree with all you have said, though the bit I've quoted is confusing to why it's true.

If the attraction to certain males with "player genes" who are successful is true then why is something like the pool boy, the window cleaner etc. part of our stereotypical folklore? These guys aren't successful at all, they are pulling shit out of other peoples' pools for tips!
It makes me laugh when I hear that women are looking for successful men who can also give them stability when as soon as they see some twat with funny hair, an "interesting" tattoo or the fact he can pluck a few bars to Stairway to Heaven on a Guitar they go weak at the knees. It's actually hilarious.

As you say I think it's probably a biological imprint to be attracted to a certain "attitude". By and large though with society as it is now your biker guys, pool boys, "career" musicians or "go-getter-A-personality" douchebags are rarely successful unless they start going down the criminal route (note, politician counts there). Being successful in today's environment requires tact/nuance, communications skills, intelligence and a touch of the balls too that a douchebag simply doesn't possess.


I've been in this spot same as the OP guy in the past myself and I've moved on now even though I still love her and probably always will in some way. The practical side of me won over after a loooong time of drawing it out and realization that it really wouldn't work, we want different things. I'm looking for kindness, intelligence and intense love/loyalty (which is tough to find such passion attached to intelligence) and it would seem she as she has admitted is attracted to sociopath/narcissistic types that will never love her more than themselves.
I really hope she doesn't accidentally have kids with ones of these guys, I've seen motherhood flip a woman's attitude as soon as her child is born and well, you're pretty stuck then huh?

Tell him to stop wasting his time. He has to be a true friend with no thought of a romantic future and her in return or in the bin; Nothing at all.
Yes.. I should clarify. The 'poolboy' thing was meant to denote any young fella with nice attributes ( nice butt, muscular back, features etc.) or also a sexually adventurous and confident attitude. Women like those things generally and are drawn to it whether they admit it or not. At different stages of life appeal may win over or be eclipsed by the more rational needs of a mature woman. But it's still there.

Guys will be drawn to youth and fertility always.. women will as well but are also drawn to power, stability, strength. Of course it's also a genuine human trait to be drawn toward what you don't have. A woman might have a stable, good provider and be drawn toward a funny, 'happy go lucky' guy or a 'bad boy' in great part because it's new and different. I've encountered married women on numerous occasions where I've sensed genuine chemistry but noted that if they were single - I would not pass their 'mate criteria' test. But I might have some attributes they find missing in their current spouse.
 

MissingOne

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Yes.. I should clarify. The 'poolboy' thing was meant to denote any young fella with nice attributes ( nice butt, muscular back, features etc.) or also a sexually adventurous and confident attitude. Women like those things generally and are drawn to it whether they admit it or not. At different stages of life appeal may win over or be eclipsed by the more rational needs of a mature woman. But it's still there.
Well, since non-sociologists are speculating about sociology on this thread, so will I. Maybe way back when our ingrained behaviour was being formed, the best hunters were the best providers. The best hunters would have been strong, daring and maybe somewhat devil-may-care. Today the "biker type" is likely to exhibit those qualities.
 

Aerts

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You forgot superficial. Hots girls want hot men, not somebody who pays their bills on time. Hence your dilemma.
I'm 6'2, fairly muscular, good teeth etc. Women care about looks, but not to the extent that guys do. Otherwise I wouldn't be here. I've dated chubby girls with no tits before, I wasn't happy. I'd like to find someone who doesn't make me want to cheat on them because I'm not attracted enough.
 

shockley

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I'm 6'2, fairly muscular, good teeth etc. Women care about looks, but not to the extent that guys do. Otherwise I wouldn't be here. I've dated chubby girls with no tits before, I wasn't happy. I'd like to find someone who doesn't make me want to cheat on them because I'm not attracted enough.
So what do you think the problem is? And please don't say it's because you're a nice guy. There are plenty of nice men who meet attractive nice women. Your unsolicited remark, "I've dated chubby girls with no tits" comment makes me think you are not as gallant as you think you are.
 

Aerts

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So what do you think the problem is? And please don't say it's because you're a nice guy. There are plenty of nice men who meet attractive nice women. Your unsolicited remark, "I've dated chubby girls with no tits" comment makes me think you are not as gallant as you think you are.
I never claimed to be gallant. I'm not sure what the root of the problem is other than what I mentioned in my first post. I have attracted women and continue to, I just haven't had luck getting the girls I find the most attractive.
 

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Nice girls dont last in the single pool. At work we have one high class, doesnt cuss, dress nice, college educated and sweet looking. She married a mail carrier. Maybe the guy changed jobs by now I dont know. Me and my friend always say whoever married her is like winning the lottery and they dont make women like that anymore.

My point is men and women are pretty similar and chase the same things so if me and my friend consider a nice girl a lottery win it proves NICE IS PRETTY DAMM GOOD.

And you guys have been watching too many Hollywood movies, this bad boy thing is soo Hollywood.
 
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