NHL trade

[KYG]

Forsberg goes to Nashville for Upshall, Parent, a first and third rounder. Good trade for both teams. Would have been nice to see Forsberg to Vancouver but I think the asking price would be too high considering Vancouver isn't as deep in prospects as Nashville.

Every team seems to inquire about Bourdon but is he really the big deal? He's not that big and he seemed to struggle defensively during his brief stint in Vancouver.

Mike Sillinger would be a good fit in Vancouver considering the asking price wouldn't be too high.

 

[The Lizard King]

Please...no Sillinger! One retread (Linden) is enough.

Every team seems to inquire about Bourdon but is he really the big deal?

Apparently....EVERY TEAM INQUIRES ABOUT HIM!

I agree, Smolinski is a great fit, as is Guerin, but I would prefer if they added Canadians and better yet, Western Canadians.

And no Marco Sturm from Boston...he's from Dingolfing, Germany...you know what that means? Yup...he's a better fit for the Leafs.

 

[JustAGuy]

I agree, Smolinski is a great fit, as is Guerin, but I would prefer if they added Canadians and better yet, Western Canadians.

I'm almost certain that's how most General Managers make their decisions when it comes to acquiring players. Well the ones who are looking to start a completely different career, anyway.

 

[KYG]

If the Colorado Avalanche cannot make the playoffs, they may be in a sell mode and re build. Would a Joe Sakic become available to the Canucks, if so, looking at what other teams are offering for players of average quality, the Avs asking price would be high.

If you are the Canucks do you give up a 1st and 2nd rounder along with prospect as Bourdon and Cory Schneider. You know the Avs will ask for something like that. Sakic will be unrestricted either this season or next.

 

[LonelyGhost]

If the Colorado Avalanche cannot make the playoffs, they may be in a sell mode and re build. Would a Joe Sakic become available to the Canucks, if so, looking at what other teams are offering for players of average quality, the Avs asking price would be high.

If you are the Canucks do you give up a 1st and 2nd rounder along with prospect as Bourdon and Cory Schneider. You know the Avs will ask for something like that. Sakic will be unrestricted either this season or next.

the question is whether they have what it takes to make it deep into
the playoffs with the team as it looks now, and whether Sakic would
guarentee them to go all the way because they have given up lots
of picks and prospects for dirt so far ...

the other thing is that whatever Colorado gets from Vancouver is going
to be used against them for a number of seasons ...

Now if Sakic was willing to sign with the Canucks to finish his career,
it would be a deal worth considering.

 

[Mchatte]

Forsberg goes to Nashville for Upshall, Parent, a first and third rounder. Good trade for both teams. Would have been nice to see Forsberg to Vancouver but I think the asking price would be too high considering Vancouver isn't as deep in prospects as Nashville.

Preds certainly gave up a pile of great young talent. Hopefully Forsberg comes through for them. Without the Corporate support they deserve, perhaps Preds are a team that could be moving north. They certainly have a wonderful future. Poile and Trotz and company have worked really hard right from the time that they were awarded the NHL franchise and it looks like the pay off may be quite soon.

They have a great arena and it's wonderful to watch games there but if they don't get the big bucks behind them, they will unfortunately have to pull the pin.

M

 

[The Lizard King]

I'm almost certain that's how most General Managers make their decisions when it comes to acquiring players. Well the ones who are looking to start a completely different career, anyway.

You want a Stanley Cup, you don't over populate your roster with Europeans and/or Americans. It's a proven fact.

Manitoba? How are the Jets doing? Right...I almost forgot, you're not a major league city or Province. Nice new arena you have there, I actually made some money off of it, but too bad they built it to accommodate an AHL or WHL club. Oh well, there's always curling.

 

[The Lizard King]

the other thing is that whatever Colorado gets from Vancouver is going to be used against them for a number of seasons

Great point. Besides, why taint Sakic's career by having him finish it here. The numbers lie, the Canucks have no hope of getting past the second round. Bieksa (or Bieska as Cole calls him) and Krajicek have hit the wall big time and they actually have Naslund playing with those two stiffs, Bullis and Chouinard. They need 2 forwards and a decent D-man but they can't afford them because nobody will take Bullis, Chouinard, & Fitzpatrick. The Sedins (or Sundins as Cole calls them) can't carry the team up front either. If it wasn't for Luongo, they would be in the bottom 5 of the entire league.

 

[KYG]

I don't think Sakic career would be tainted if he played here. I mean the Avalanche won't be doing anything this year and once the Canucks are in the playoffs, and I'm sure they'll make it, anything can happen. What is the Avs just ask for Bourdon or Scheider and two first rounders? Do you make the trade if you are Dave Nonis?

 

[The Lizard King]

What is the Avs just ask for Bourdon or Scheider and two first rounders? Do you make the trade if you are Dave Nonis?

No way...the Canucks aren't going to win the Cup with or without Sakic. They just don't have the horses to go 4 grueling rounds. It would be a shame for him to end up here, the Canucks fans would be expecting the Sakic of 5 years ago, especially with what they would have to give up in trade, and they would turn on him for not being that player. THAT would be tragic.

BTW...Bullis & Green were the stiffs playing with Naslund last night, I was wrong but what an insult to Naslund.

 

[deke]

The main thing that the Canucks have right now is good goaltending. As past history showed, a hot goalie can take a mediocre team a long way.

 

[jimbo2006]

I heard somewhere that if the Avs were to consider trading Sakic to anyone, that team would also have to take Theodore as a favour. Wouldn't that be over $10million in salary? That and Sakic almost surely would try to sign with the Avs the following season

Suppose the Canucks were to acquire Sakic only, the question they have to ponder: is he the missing piece needed for a long playoff run?

I say no

 

[KYG]

I heard somewhere that if the Avs were to consider trading Sakic to anyone, that team would also have to take Theodore as a favour. Wouldn't that be over $10million in salary? That and Sakic almost surely would try to sign with the Avs the following season

Suppose the Canucks were to acquire Sakic only, the question they have to ponder: is he the missing piece needed for a long playoff run?

I say no

Taking Theodore's 6 million dollar salary next year is too much of a favour especially for the nucks. They couldn't even take it even if they wanted to.
Why don't the Avs just put Thoedore in the minors next year. They still have to pay him but doesn't count against the cap. I say, lets go for Sakic!!

 

[teejay69]

Simple math is that most teams will NOT take Theodore's 5.5 Mill cap hit. Combined with Joe's cap figure - that is basically one quarter of your cap hit. Not just that - it would be difficult to fathom a trade within the division.

Please note a new rule > The CBA calls for the salary of any player 35 or older to count against the salary cap for the entirety of his contract even if the player retires in the midst of a multiyear deal.

Sakic basically has to sign one year deals until he retires. He will be a free agent again at the end of the season but we simply do not have the cap room unless we shed some big contracts. Please note that Salo is a free agent and will command a raise from his current 1.5 Mill contract.

 

[KYG]

After todays game against Anaheim and seeing Bieksa almost injured. I think we need more depth on defence. Going into the playoffs, you can never have enough defencemen, so forget Anson Carter, Sillinger, etc., we should get one or two defencemen if possible.

 

[ezsmile]

One thing I haven't figured out yet, maybe someone can answer:

When you trade players, in mid season or at the deadline, whatever, does the player's entire season salary count against the cap, or just the portion of his salary for the remainder of the season.

 

[fredhowdie]

Salary cap issues

I believe from what I've heard on the sports talk circuit, that only the portion that the club is responsible for counts towards the cap.

 

[deke]

I believe from what I've heard on the sports talk circuit, that only the portion that the club is responsible for counts towards the cap.

Yes, so if you have 1 million cap space, and you have only a third of the year left, you can sign someone with a 3 million annual salary.

I also heard that if you have an injury over 10 games, you can get cap relief only if you are within a certain amount of the cap. The Canucks have to spend a few million 1st, then declare Kessler as an extended injury to clear his cap space.

 

[James]

My understanding was just a shade off of Deke's. I thought that, regardless of where you are in "cap space", the first ten games of a player's "injury time" (for each injury) counts in the cap calculation, and that all wages for game 11 until he returns are not counted against the cap.

Anybody know for sure?

Any of you pooners moonlight as player reps?

Or GMs?

Or, ahem, players?

 

[The Lizard King]

Good thing they didn't get Carter....I would have puked. All these people saying "get Carter back" need to give their head a shake, especially since a team currently on the fringes of the playoffs and probably won't even make them, saw fit to give up all of a 5th round draft pick for the him. It's not as though a Nashville, Detroit, Anaheim, San Jose, Buffalo, Jersey, or Ottawa went after him as the missing piece to put them over the top. Good riddance.

You have to think Gelinas and Smolinski are the guys the Canucks are targeting up front, and maybe a Brewer on the back end.