New York Times Story on Child Abuse

[sdw]

This boy was abused for 5 years.

His father would procure prostitutes so that the boy could have sex with them on camera.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/19/n...tml?ex=1149825600&en=846fe325ed43df62&ei=5070

When the NY Times printed the story, the FBI received the credit card records of the people who had subscribed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/19/b...tml?ex=1149825600&en=f1fa671c2777e765&ei=5070

The majority of the people arrested had jobs that put them in daily contact with children. Teacher, etc.

 

[westwoody]

It must have been hard for Justin to give up such a huge income, maybe he did it because the perverts were scaring him.

 

[georgebushmoron]

It must have been hard for Justin to give up such a huge income, maybe he did it because the perverts were scaring him.

I saw this so-called "kid" on television being interviewed. He calls himself a "victim" of child porn and abusers. His demeanor was false, so was his grief.

On the one hand we are willing to put people under 18 into adult court for murder, but we think they aren't conniving enough to benefit from this kind of garbage. After his interview, I suspected he found a profitable scheme from hooking up his webcam and asking people for money. After all, it's pretty hard to justify being "forced" into something by strangers over the internet.

We've got to stop protecting these little weasels and nail them mercilessly like we do adults who commit crimes to do with children.

 

[Chantal]

Question?

Was he not on "OPRAH" and his father was involved.His father lived in "Mexico".I did not have time to read the articles posted,but I'm sure I recognized the boy pic.

 

[westwoody]

Exactly GBM, I feel this is more a case of contrition than actual remorse. He sounds like he was pretty shrewd and he was making hundreds of thousands of dollars-did he donate his ill-gotten gains to charity or keep them?
Where did the money go?

 

[Hollybaby]

I agree. It's a pretty weak case to say that someone was "pressured" over the internet. All you have to do is close the chat window and they're gone!

I found it irritating that the article kept referring to them "children". Everyone the mentioned was a teenager.

I must say though, the customers were pretty stupid. Getting caught for possession of child porn, especially purchasing it, can ruin your life and send you to jail for a looong time.

 

[sdw]

I agree. It's a pretty weak case to say that someone was "pressured" over the internet. All you have to do is close the chat window and they're gone!

I found it irritating that the article kept referring to them "children". Everyone the mentioned was a teenager.

I must say though, the customers were pretty stupid. Getting caught for possession of child porn, especially purchasing it, can ruin your life and send you to jail for a looong time.

The abuse started when the kid was 13. In my book, anyone under the age of 19 is a child.

The story also talks extensively about how the kid was recruited and in this particular case, the child's own father was one of the recruiters.

 

[Hollybaby]

"In my book, anyone under the age of 19 is a child."

So 11 months ago I was a child?

 

[sdw]

"In my book, anyone under the age of 19 is a child."

So 11 months ago I was a child?

Yes. And you remain a child despite the length of time you have been on the planet.

 

[Hollybaby]

"Yes. And you remain a child despite the length of time you have been on the planet."

Hmm..So anyone under the age of 19 is ALWAYS a child, and SOME people over the age of 19 are also children?

To me, a child is someone who is prepubescent. To you, it is clearly something different. How do you distinguish between adults and children then?

 

[sdw]

Hmm..So anyone under the age of 19 is ALWAYS a child, and SOME people over the age of 19 are also children?

To me, a child is someone who is prepubescent. To you, it is clearly something different. How do you distinguish between adults and children then?

It's really very simple. You become an adult when you cease worrying about yourself and begin worrying about others.

Right now, all your arguements are about you wanting approval to have sex, sell your body and still retain other's respect.

Once you become an adult, you will start worrying about what future damage is done when a child is forced into becoming an adult to satisfy the selfish desires of the perpetual children among us.

The reality is that little boys get boners when they are being diapered. Does that mean they are automatically adults that are available for a perpetual child's gratification. Does a girl toddler rubbing herself because it feels good mean she is now an adult available for a perpetual child's gratification?

Or is it more probable that the world doesn't need more perpetual children and that is the reason we try to set a timetable for a person being mature enough to handle sex without permanet harm?

Adults want children to become successful adults. The Peter Pans among us don't plan to be around to observe the damage they cause, therefore they argue that if it feels good they should be allowed to do it.

Since the Peter Pans aren't the first choice for a woman who is looking for a mate, they concentrate their charm on those who don't yet have the experiance to realize they are being manipulated.

 

[Hollybaby]

Right now, all your arguements are about you wanting approval to have sex, sell your body and still retain other's respect.

I don't recall arguing about that. I already do have all those things.

Once you become an adult, you will start worrying about what future damage is done when a child is forced into becoming an adult to satisfy the selfish desires of the perpetual children among us.

I've never advocated forcing anyone to do anything.

The reality is that little boys get boners when they are being diapered. Does that mean they are automatically adults that are available for a perpetual child's gratification. Does a girl toddler rubbing herself because it feels good mean she is now an adult available for a perpetual child's gratification?

I never said that masturbating was when children became adults. I said that anyone who has reached puberty is no longer a child. They become pubescents at that point.

You have yet to provide evidence for your claim that I, a 19 year old who is 2 months shy of being 20, am a child.

 

[Sonny]

According to law, you are a minor until you reach the age of majority or adulthood. As for child, that would be under age 13 and at 13 the child becomes an adolescent.

 

[visioneast]

"In my book, anyone under the age of 19 is a child."

So 11 months ago I was a child?

In the eyes of Canadian law that is.

Every culture has a different definition for adulthood. Perhaps in some tribe in Africa, a person at the age of 13 is considered an adult.

 

[Hollybaby]

"In the eyes of Canadian law that is.

Every culture has a different definition for adulthood. Perhaps in some tribe in Africa, a person at the age of 13 is considered an adult.
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Actually, that's not true.

Under Canadian law, anyone 13 and under is a "child". Anyone 14-17 is a "youth" and everyone 18 and up is an "adult".

 

[visioneast]

Actually, that's not true.

Under Canadian law, anyone 13 and under is a "child". Anyone 14-17 is a "youth" and everyone 18 and up is an "adult".

Ah... Pardon my ignorance.

 

[Hollybaby]

Ah... Pardon my ignorance.

No worries

Another interesting tidbit about young people and Canadian law:

The age of criminal responsibility is 12. A 12 year old can be charged with a crime and go to court and be sentenced, while an 11 year old cannot.

I learned this when I worked at a clothing store. A couple of girls, one aged 10 and the other 11, were caught shoplifting. I had to go ask them some questions in the mall security office and heard the police officer telling the older one that if she'd been a year older, she would be standing in front of a judge next week. Scared the hell out of her!

 

[visioneast]

No worries

Another interesting tidbit about young people and Canadian law:

The age of criminal responsibility is 12. A 12 year old can be charged with a crime and go to court and be sentenced, while an 11 year old cannot.

I learned this when I worked at a clothing store. A couple of girls, one aged 10 and the other 11, were caught shoplifting. I had to go ask them some questions in the mall security office and heard the police officer telling the older one that if she'd been a year older, she would be standing in front of a judge next week. Scared the hell out of her!

Thank you, Holly, for the knowledge.

I didn't know the age of criminla responsbility is 12 in Canada. I thought it was 15, 16 or something. I've heard stories of young hooligans that rob and attacked old ladies, got caught and were released the next day without any criminal charges being laid.

Perhaps the cop was trying to scare that young girl? I know cops tend to do that.

 

[Sweetiepie]

No worries

Another interesting tidbit about young people and Canadian law:

The age of criminal responsibility is 12. A 12 year old can be charged with a crime and go to court and be sentenced, while an 11 year old cannot.
!

Except they're charged in Youth Court under the Young Offenders Act. They are not charged as adults. The whole process is different.

 

[Sweetiepie]

Actually, that's not true.

Under Canadian law, anyone 13 and under is a "child". Anyone 14-17 is a "youth" and everyone 18 and up is an "adult".

Where are you getting this from? The definition of child depends on which law you're talking about and varies provincially, doesn't it? "Minor" is a more consistent term, I think.