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New Real Estate Tax the answer?

Is this new tax the answer?

  • Oh Yes!

    Votes: 5 38.5%
  • Yes, I can see how this would work

    Votes: 5 38.5%
  • Maybe, as long as I get a deduction

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • No Way, I can't afford more tax

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Total voters
    13
  • Poll closed .

sdw

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I saw this this morning in the Province. It looks like an elegant solution to a number of problems.

http://www.theprovince.com/business/proposed+could+high+cost+housing+residents/11659651/story.html
Proposed tax could cut the high cost of housing for B.C. residents
By Sam Cooper, The Province January 18, 2016

A new housing affordability proposal from a group of UBC economists would tax vacant properties and absentee real estate investors who don’t pay income tax in B.C., and pay the revenues directly to B.C. citizens.

The so-called Housing Affordability Fund — devised by Sauder School housing economist Thomas Davidoff and endorsed by a number of local economists and real estate experts, including UBC’s Tsur Somerville — would levy a 1.5 per cent annual surcharge on residential real estate.

The plan, which its authors estimate would generate over $90 million annually from vacant properties in Vancouver alone, would not tax foreign investors.
It would discover, however, how many investment properties are left vacant by investors who often find ways to avoid taxation.

The plan is surprisingly direct. Rather than having bureaucrats judge property vacancy and owner citizenship, homeowners would have to step forward to reclaim surcharge exemptions through income and tax statements.

For example, the owner of a $1 million home would pay $15,000 per year. But almost everyone who lives and works in B.C. and pays income tax could write the property surcharge off.

There would be exemptions for pensioners and other non-working homeowners. And real estate investors, whether they come from Shanghai or Saskatoon, would avoid the surcharge by renting out property and declaring the rental income.

“Nobody has to pay this tax, so almost everyone wins,” Davidoff told The Province in an interview.
“If you make money overseas and park the family in the house, you are stuck paying the tax. If you leave the place vacant, you are paying the tax, and that’s about it.”

Plan authors suggest that, since affordability problems mostly impact Metro Vancouver, municipalities with acute problems could opt into the plan and revenue cheques would be cut for the taxpayers who live in those communities, rather than rolling the plan out across B.C.

The plan would tax those who own vacation homes in Metro Vancouver.

The plans’s authors believe it’s an elegant tool to collect data on the number of empty homes in B.C., but also discourage vacant property as an unproductive form of investment that has a damaging financial impacts on B.C. communities and citizens.

The tax could encourage more home rentals and improve affordability, the authors believe, while being low enough that it would not discourage investment and drive down housing prices.

The proposal comes amid an intensifying policy debate over runaway housing prices that have disconnected from B.C. incomes, and the impact of offshore investment and speculation in Metro Vancouver property.

Under increasing pressure, Premier Christy Clark’s government has said it’s studying ways to help new homebuyers get into B.C.’s property market, but without chilling investment and reducing home prices.

Davidoff, who is from the United States and has worked on housing policy for President Barack Obama, said he believes not much can reverse B.C.’s current trend of increasingly becoming a playground for the rich and a burdensome place to live and work.

But, he said, his plan will at least level the playing field in the near term and make B.C.’s economy more efficient by redistributing tax burdens away from productive work and on to property speculation.

“The plan says. ‘Let’s tax property that’s owned by people who have money and don’t have to pay high income taxes because they’re overseas or out of the community,’ ” he said. “Let’s give the money to people who are working here and struggling with affordability.”

Davidoff said Clark’s office has floated “affordability” plans such as a homebuyer tax credit that would likely only make the problem worse by increasing demand for property and driving up prices.

He said most economists he has shared his plan with approve of it, and NDP leader John Horgan and NDP Point Grey MLA David Eby “love it.”

In an interview, Eby said he likes the Housing Affordability Fund because it would gather data on empty homes and absentee investment while simultaneously addressing the issue.

“This is not an empty academic tool,” Eby said. “The tax is invisible to those who live and work or provide housing in the Lower Mainland, but it taxes an activity that’s a problem, which is using housing just as an investment. And this would actually be generating funds from day one.”

Davidoff said he’s a believer in foreign investment and free markets, but a government could easily tweak his plan to discourage offshore investment.
“If you really want to clamp down on foreign ownership, all you have to do is dial up the tax rate,” he said.

The authors estimated Vancouver’s current housing vacancy rate at 7.5 per cent for condominium units and two per cent for other types of housing.

scooper@theprovince.com
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Cami Parker

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Well, at least the overseas investors would be forced to actually rent the property out to avoid the charge. There is something to be said for that. Neighbourhoods and local businesses are being destroyed because overseas "investors" buy up all these condos to hide their money and don't even rent them out so buildings are sitting completely empty. This is awful for local store owners as they set up shop counting on the population of surrounding buildings for their business, and creepy for those who live in half full "ghost buildings".....
 

CJ Tylers

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I don't like it one bit. Yes, it's probably the most *reasonable* way of doing it, but you're squeezing that money (and every year you can bet they will toy with an increase) out of people.

Many folks are border line as is, and an extra tax throughout the year could easily put them on a downward spiral.

Those are the people wholly invested in supporting their local neighborhoods and businesses too.

I think a more targeted approach is what is needed, with higher penalties for non compliance. Forget the wide net. Forget about trying to appear fair and obviously politically correct / hide behind political rules... get some brass ones, hit the streets with inspectors, and get a grip on the who / what / why / where / when.

Then levy the surcharges (after appropriate laws and bylaws are written in) and keep on top of people.

Also, stop allowing developers to roll you... every time a developer opens his / her mouth, it's to reduce the affordable / social housing components in favour of market value units...Despite agreeing to the original numbers in order to actually obtain the permits necessary to build the market value units.

Seriously, they fact all the cities roll over and play dead for developers is just ridiculous. Grow some goddam balls.
 

twoblues

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1.5% is a drop in the bucket for the people buying these properties to park their money. this wont change a thing
Yah, really just the cost of doing business for that market.

Also, the idea of having a tax levied that you can then write off just opens the door to one day not being able to write that off. "Oh, well, now it's a BC Residents tax, you can write off half" -> "Now you can't write it off".
 
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