NDP Elected in Alberta

badbadboy

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I'm surprised there wasn't a few high fives on the board last night? The last bastion of Conservative Govt in Alberta lost to the NDP. The two right wing parties really imploded and the NDP came out on top.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ctor-braces-for-change-with-ndp-win-1.3062700

In my opinion this will be a good change (my ties are more Liberal) because after 40 years in power, it was clear the Conservatives were abusing their powers. Numerous scandals seemed to just kept being realized by their auditors and public watchdogs.

Besides in BC we have had a few NDP govt along with Socred/Liberals and they have had their own screw ups. It makes a more interesting political landscape to have a new party in power.

Interesting times for sure.

Where's Storm Rider?
 

Lo-ki

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Check your closet..:)
Watch for a PROVINCIAL TAX kick in...
 

rickoshadows

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The CP did this to themselves. Right leaning governments have been steadily moving further to the right and towing the political center with them. They have been able to this because the left has not provided any viable alternatives. In Alberta, Rachel Notley appears to be reasonably competent and many of the political center saw an opportunity to change buses.

The political center is beginning to grow restless. Real income has flat lined for the last 25 years except for the top earners whose real incomes have increased astronomically. Continued low wages at the bottom of the spectrum are being subsidized by numerous Provincial and Federal programs to aid the "working poor". This means those earning reasonable wages and those businesses which pay real wages are subsidizing labour for the Walmarts and McDonalds of the world. Meanwhile, although taxes have remained the same or decreased, the costs of fees and services increase at level greater than the "cost of living index", mostly due the the downloading of costs from higher levels of government to lower ones. The political center is looking for an alternative.

Federally, the Conservatives are sliding to the right at the demands of the their further right supporters and abandoning the middle. The left still has not stepped up to seize the center mostly because they are scared of alienating their further to the left supporters. The stage is set for someone to prune their ranks of their more fanatic members and step into the center. Unfortunately, I do not see that happening soon and most of us will be holding their noses next election and choosing the party which they believe will do the least damage.
 

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I can only speak as a Manitoban and as the owner of a small business but I think Albertans are going to be very sorry that they've elected an NDP government, just as Ontarians came to realize when they elected Bob Rae and his wrecking crew.

I understand that voters don't elect governments, they get rid of them, and I also respect that after 50 years it was definitely time for a change but why on earth would you cut off your nose to spite your face. Thankfully, this will only be a one term government and sanity will once again be restored.
 

westwoody

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sanity will once again be restored.
As a former Albertan: there has not been any sanity there since Peter Lougheed. Those Conservative idiots have mismanaged their economy as badly as any NDP government. They basically have money squirting out of the ground and they still have billions in debt. Squandered...billions, maybe tens of billions.

They have been cooking the books for decades and screwing everyone so their big corporate backers can avoid taxes. Hope the NDP go over the accounts with a fine tooth comb so everyone can see where the money went.

Seriously do you think Ralph Klein would be a comptent manager? Would you hire a drunken imbecile like that to run a business? I don't think he was anything but a front man for the unelected old boys club that really ran things. That is not democracy.

Alison Redford, how about that arrogant condescending princess? Nothing wrong with taking the kids and their friends for a few trips on my executive jet! And that wasn't even a major lapse of judgement by her standards.

Prentice himself is hypocrite. Like a spoiled child tipping over their pablum he has spat out his election as an MLA. Now his riding will have to have a byelection to replace him because his ego won't allow him to be a mere MLA. So his very last act, resignation from caucus, is another waste of money.

Yeah yeah keep telling yourself the Tories are all geniuses and everyone else is a foolish spendthrift, most people see through that crap now.
 
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westwoody

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The CP did this to themselves.
The Tories only line was that taxing rich people or taxing corporation would cause the economy to collapse.
At least Notley had a few ideas. Prentice had nothing. He had a year and a half to prepare for this election and he looked like a lazy pupil who didn't do his homework and has no answers.
 

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Again, as a Manitoban who has suffered under an NDP government I can personally attest to the devastation they have created in our economy. Our deficit is at an all-time high and, thanks to their insightful recent budget, is going to grow even larger. The NDP know very well how to spend, how to turn a province into a have-not province dependent on Federal hand-outs, how to create unnecessarily large cabinets to build the bureaucracy (and increase their voter base), work hand in glove with their union cronies and generally create a toxic environment for business. Ironically, the NDP voter base of seniors and low income earners actually end up being taxed the most. And wait. I predict that before this year is out bills will created to introduce government auto insurance and, mark my words, a provincial sales tax.

Yes, the PC's were tired, bloated and complacent but I guarantee that in four years you'll be voting for them again.

Just sayin'.
 

hankmoody

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As someone who has suffered under NDP as well i wish them luck. No doubt pc's are far from perfect and change once in a while can be good. Interesting to see what it looks like in 4 years.
Did anyone see Kevin O'Leary on CTV news? Hope for Albertans sake it doesn't turn out as bad as he is predicting...
 

summerbreeze

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Even though I am right middle (politically) so don't get me wrong....

Perhaps the good aspect of this is tha Alberta will finally get the schools and hospitals the former government made promises for but would never deliver.
 

leoghaire

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1-people weren't voting for the dippers they were voting against the PCs
2-much like the last federal election, they set up a personality cult around Notley. Very few of their election signs had the local candidates name, but they loudly exclaimed about Rachel
who did you vote for?
the NDP
No-Who did you vote for
Oh-I don't know
 

hornygandalf

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I think the oil industry in Alberta has bigger problems than the new government. They're having the crap kicked out of them by world oil prices, and with Saudi Arabia now embarking on an oil war with the US, prices aren't likely to head up significantly in the short term (though they certainly are rising). With the Chinese getting cozy with the Saudi's, we might be about to see a significant shift in the balance of power... and it won't be in favour of the US.
 

Jethro Bodine

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I say wait and see.
While I too live under the tyranny of an NDP government whose sole objective is to cheat, lie, spend, and completely mismanage the economy with record debt, it s very interesting how the same party can present itself province to province depending on the people running things.
While everyone (including me) seems to equate the NDP with a tax and spend mentality, back in the 70's and 80's the Saskatchewan NDP governments of Allen Blakeney and Roy Romanow, while having certain socialist leanings (government control of the Potash industry) were in many ways as fiscally responsible as any PC government I've seen here in Manitoba. In fact Romanow instituted cuts to the Sask. provincial budget back in the 90's (caused by dramatic cuts in Federal transfer payments to provinces by the Liberals in Ottawa) that were far harsher than even the cuts made by Gary Filmon, a PC, in Manitoba. BTW, the cuts made by Filmon are still used by the Manitoba NDP to scare voters every election.
A "fiscally responsible" NDP may be good for Alberta.
 

badbadboy

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Is the Sky Falling yet?

Seriously though, BC, MB, ON and SK have all had NDP Gov'ts. Sure there have been screw ups well documented (By Liberals et al) but the thing that overrides this for me is it's a time for a cleansing so to speak. Turn the dial back to more centre than the right.

Try to strike a delicate balance between a Socialist State vs a Corporate Driven mandate.

Years ago, I met Grant Notley. He struck me as a pragmatic leader who had NDP roots but knew he was up against a huge tide of Alberta Conservatism. Unfortunately, he passed away in a plane crash. Perhaps Rachel is the "one". :D
 

wetnose

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The people of Alberta have spoken - I just hope the NDP can live up to their expectations. The NDP is massively underexperienced and has very little depth to their roster.
 

apl16

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Look left. Way left.
I wish them well. They are in bad position much like the Rae government of ontario. Broke. With a completely messed up situation. It will take them four years to clean all the corruption. I'm always amused by those whining about left leaning governments overspending while the rightwingers seem to be worse in better economic times. Mulroney, Davis in Ontario, etc.
Harper and the newer versions of the right have learned that looks better to the public to have less debt but completely destroy social infrastructure. Much easier to pick on the weak, such as the poor and old. Our health care system is a disaster.
I hope a change will be good for Alberta. Counting on one industry for your economy is insane. Right, Christy Creme.
 

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Will Albertans finally look in the mirror?

JEFFREY SIMPSON
The Globe and Mail

Last glances in the rearview mirror of Alberta politics …

Premier Jim Prentice remarked just before the election campaign he unwisely called too early that Albertans should “look in the mirror” for the answer to why the province had a serious budgetary problem.

Mr. Prentice’s remark underscored the perils of telling the truth in politics, especially when the truth is hard. Voters prefer to believe the fault lies exclusively with politicians, forgetting who elected them.

Albertans had been electing second-rate Progressive Conservative governments (although they are are not alone in having settled for second-rate governments) that let major policy questions slide or ignored them altogether. These omissions and commissions caught up with the province.

Albertans were (and are) so deeply opposed to a sales tax that they frightened politicians of every stripe from introducing one. This omission contributed to leaving the province’s budget more vulnerable than necessary to the vagaries of world oil prices. Even the new walk-on-water Alberta leader Rachel Notley has avoided proposing a sales tax, presumably because she does not wish to challenge this deeply held – and deeply wrong – opposition.

Albertans also allowed governments – indeed encouraged them – to keep personal income taxes and business taxes very low. This was what former premier Ralph Klein boasted was the “Alberta Advantage.”

This “Advantage” was not built upon superior management of public affairs but the good fortune of geography that put so much oil and natural gas in the ground, which, in turn, poured revenues into the provincial treasury. Depending on the year and the oil and natural gas prices, 20 to 30 per cent of government revenues came from these fossil fuels.

That dependence produced two unhappy consequences. First, not nearly enough money from fossil fuel revenues was placed into the Heritage Fund for future savings. Second, the budget was far too dependent on world oil prices, so that Alberta’s finances swung wildly from surplus to deficit, which is what the unfortunate Mr. Prentice was attempting to say with his “mirror” remark. He didn’t put it this way, but the inference was correct: We Albertans had seen the results of this dependence many times before but did nothing to prevent it.

These fiscal swings happened periodically, and yet no social or political movement formed to yell, “enough!” Instead, there was always the sense that good fortune would return, that difficult times were temporary, that spending could go on as before, and that the tax system could remain largely unchanged. Better still, when times were really good, a premier such as Ralph Klein could cut cheques for Albertans and invite them to enjoy themselves.

Similarly, on the environment, Albertans convinced themselves (or at least many of them did) that the world (and especially the United States) needed its bitumen oil, would pay a high price for it, would appreciate Alberta’s efforts to reduce carbon emissions from its production and would therefore make way for the pipelines to get bitumen to markets.

All of these assumptions were contestable, as became apparent in recent years when pipelines stalled or were entirely blocked in the face of environmental and aboriginal opposition, U.S. domestic oil supplies soared and, more recently, world prices sank.

A look at the map ought to have signalled Alberta’s problem. Being landlocked, the province relied on support and approval from other jurisdictions. Rather than listening to what others needed before giving Albertans the answer they wanted, Alberta governments (and the Harper government) engaged in yet more salesmanship, telling others to get with the Alberta program.

Even when it became obvious that in the United States and British Columbia such salesmanship was a flop, the urge to keep selling and telling would not go away. But then, neither would the opposition noting that although Alberta had brought down its emissions from a business-as-usual case, emissions from expanded bitumen production would wipe out all the greenhouse gas reductions elsewhere in Canada, preventing Canada from meeting its national greenhouse gas reduction goals.

Now the rearview mirror is cracked. What was done and not done is past, but the tasks remain – first among which is to acknowledge hard truths.

It might be, although it is too soon to tell, that in voting impressively for the NDP, Albertans implicitly testified that they have looked in the mirror are now ready to grapple with crucial things left unattended to by previous PC governments.

See http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...s-finally-look-in-the-mirror/article24326547/
 
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