Nadia is telling the truth. My rant...

[Irresistible Isabelle]

Nadia is beaten, battered, covered in bruises, full of stitches, and not only do you joke, some of you accuse her of a CRIME *fraud*. uke:

I am utterly disgusted by some of you guys!

I've spent the entire day with her, heard things that makes my heart break over and over and marvel at her courage and strength to endure all of this. I'm going to smoke a couple of joints and go to bed because I'm so horrified by what I've heard and seen from her and by the behaviour on this board that I can even compose my thoughts to answer questions other than to say this:

1. I have heard the whole story. As a friend and confident. YOU, none of you, are entitled to know any more than Nadia chooses to put forth. She has a RIGHT to her privacy and her dignity and SHAME ON YOU for believing that your tabloid fueled ego's and desire to gawk at the suffering of others while you shovel food in your faces in front of the TV/computer TRUMPS her RIGHTS. You people are just people in cyber space. You lose and gain nothing by this knowledge. I question whether ANY of you doubters/attackers would ever be sufficiently satisfied that you might offer her any compassion, consideration or god forbid assistance. Would there ever be enough to earn more than a grumbled apology for her suffering? I doubt it.... SO STFU!

2. I have seen the bruises and you would be shocked by the brutality. I have seen how much pain she is in. I have seen her go white, clammy and almost faint from the simple act of standing up. I have seen the card of the officer who is handling the case along with the case file ID number. I have seen all of it. There is NO doubt as to what happened... and you are not entitled to hear every detail. If you don't want to believe it, don't so much as offer condolences, but stop it with this slander and speculating... it's disgusting and ghoulish.

3. Nadia had NEVER EVER asked for money. Not once. I PMed some of the ladies to step up and help BECAUSE many of us had talked about what we would do in a situation like this. There was a HUGE deluge of PMs and Emails to both Nadia and myself ASKING how they could help...where could they send money, etc. When Nadia posted about "payment options" it's not because she expected anything but people were INSISTING on helping. Love.Lots came up with the Pooner Challenge. She didn't even know where to begin. And the ball was rolling while she was sedated.

4. I am going to go for now. I am helping Nadia with some stuff again tomorrow but before I do I hope to write out a bunch of answers tomorrow morning.

Until then...

A truly heart felt THANK YOU from Nadia (and myself) to those who have shown compassion even if it was merely a kind word. THANK YOU to all of those who have stepped up and helped.... you can not imagine how much it HAS helped. She will continue to need help while she gets back on her feet. She is in shock and is still detached from her emotions and it will be a terrible journey.

A truly heart felt FUCK YOU from the bottom of MY to anyone on a mission to violate her privacy or dignity by speculating about her, slandering her good reputation or vulturing in on what remains of her life.

Good night!

 

[smackyo]

this day and age i can understand skepticism but in a situation like this where even if there is 0.5% chance that it is true, i kinda see it as bad taste to air your skepticism publicly. if you don't believe her and you don't want to help than just keep it to your self.

if we don't take care of each other when the going gets bad who will??? i for one believe her and though i'm short on funds now myself i will donate what i can which admittedly won't be much but its what i can do for now asap.

lets just say for the sake of argument that it was a scam. are you really that miserly that you would miss $5, $10, $20 or $50 bucks?

this situation calls for everyone here to show a little class.

 

[Naughty Nadia]

I do not know why anyone would be reluctant to believe that a women could be raped while doing buisness- anyone who might not believe an Escort CAN be raped while working is an absolute piece of sh*T! Shame on all who can not see such blatant truth....a pox on all your cocks

Just go read the I am here thread on the other board....fucking disgusting.

 

[erotic_exotica]

Shame on all who can not see such blatant truth....a pox on all your cocks

LMFAO.......yeah! so there! lol

 

[the_shogun]

well i always said that this forum was full of immature 40year olds.

 

[Jessikaxxx]

continued support

Dear Nadia,
Id like to say on behalf of my circle of friends and myself, that we here to assist you now any way we can.

I am horrified.

Respect and love,
xoxoxox,

jxxx, karalynn, dru, and many more...

 

[chilli]

It's really sad to see some of the responses from members of both boards.

As so often happens in our society the victem is the one who ends up being scrutenized and further victemized by a compassionless society.

In fact in reading some of the posts on this board and the other, she now has become the accused.

What bothers me most is that these are the same "men" who use these women for both physical and emotional comfort.

I'ts disheartening to know that when one of these ladies needs us, that we as a "community" are not only not there for her, we have I'm sure exasberated her situation.

Isn't what she has gone through enough....

This is honestly a situation where if you can't say anything nice then I'm not interested in your opinion.

 

[AA_Train]

Right On Isabelle

I couldn't agree more. I'd call you an angel but I don't think any of them are as kind and selfless as you (plus they probably don't swear).

I think I've mentioned this before but it appears that the bullshit piles up so high on this board that you need wings to stay above it so any statement can and will be scrutinized by skeptics and cynics. But I think anyone with an ounce of sense can see that this was legit as it was relatively detailed and for me as well as others, quite heart-wrenching.

While I'm so utterly disgusted that people wouls commit such a crime, I am even more amazed at the spirit and resilliancy of Nadia. Many otheras would have wallowed in victimhood but she has taken up an entrepeneurial spirit and tried to help present ideas to help SP securuty issues. Truly remarkable. Has sure earned my respect.

As for the doubters, I guess they have the right to state there opinion but I think that they should just be ignored as responding to them is just counterproductive. Attention should only be paid to those who support Nadia and to those who have ideas to help with security issues

 

[Sit_on_my_face]

Ya no shit hey! I'm kind of surprised at some of the remarks myself. For a long time now I've been wondering about our society and the world we live in ??!! A Very sad state of affair! So many people seems to focus on the negative rather than good! I've said my piece to Nadia on another post that was here but I will say it again. My heart, thoughts and prayers go to you Nadia!!!

Awesome work INDY!!

I wish you well a fast and speedy recovery!

GOD Bless you Girl!!!!


ps....I'll ask when in need How many of us have asked for help in general at one time or another!!?? The answer is easy..

ALL OF US HAVE!!

 

[Wet My Noodle]

With an OPEN MIND!!!

Prostitution: A Victimless Crime?
From Charles Montaldo,
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The Oldest Profession Is Hardly Without Victims


Prostitution is listed among the crimes some refer to as victimless or consensual crimes, because no one present at the crime is unwilling, but research shows that may not be the true picture of prostitution.
In most countries, prostitution -- exchanging money for sex among adults -- is legal. It is illegal in only a few countries -- in the United States (except for ten counties in the state of Nevada), India, Argentina, some Muslim and Communist countries. The reason it is legal is the general attitude that prostitution does no harm, has no victims, and is sex among consenting adults.

Melissa Farley, PhD of Prostitution Research & Education, argues that prostitution is hardly a victimless crime. In her "Prostitution: Fact sheet on Human Rights Violations" Farley says that prostitution is sexual harassment, rape, battering, verbal abuse, domestic violence, a racist practice, a violation of human rights, childhood sexual abuse, a consequence of male domination of women and a means of maintaining male domination of women.

"All prostitution causes harm to women," Farley writes. "Whether it is being sold by one's family to a brothel, or whether it is being sexually abused in one's family, running away from home, and then being pimped by one's boyfriend, or whether one is in college and needs to pay for next semester's tuition and one works at a strip club behind glass where men never actually touch you – all these forms of prostitution hurt the women in it."

To believe prostitution has no victims, one must ignore these statistics published in Farley's Fact Sheet:


78 percent of 55 women who sought help from the Council for Prostitution Alternatives in 1991 reported being raped an average of 16 times a year by pimps, and were raped 33 times a year by johns.

62 percent reported having been raped in prostitution.

73 percent reported having experienced physical assault in prostitution.

72 percent were currently or formerly homeless.

92 percent stated that they wanted to escape prostitution immediately.

83 percent of prostitutes are victims of assault with a weapon.

75 percent of women in escort prostitution had attempted suicide.

67 percent meet diagnostic criteria for posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

In short, the victims of prostitution are mostly the prostitutes themselves. It just may be that they no longer have the ability left to "consent" to be a willing participant in their so-called victimless crime.
Estimates of the prevalence of incest among prostitutes range from 65 percent to 90 percent. The Council for Prostitution Alternatives, Portland, Oregon Annual Report in 1991 found that: 85 percent of their prostitute clients reported history of sexual abuse in childhood while 70 percent reported incest.

As feminist Andrea Dworkin has written: "Incest is boot camp. Incest is where you send the girl to learn how to do it. So you don't, obviously, have to send her anywhere, she's already there and she's has nowhere else to go. She's trained."

But not all feminist back prostitution laws. Some believe prostitution is an act of self-determination. They demand decriminalization and destigmatization, because laws against prostitution discriminate against women's ability to make their own choices.

 

[Wet My Noodle]

Fyi

Can a Prostitute be Raped? Sex Workers, Women
and the Politics of Rape Law Reform


http://www.utas.edu.au/government/APSA/BSullivanfinal.pdf

 

[Miss*Bijou]

Thanks for the update, Isabelle. I have to agree with you on how disappointing and truly disgusting some of the comments made over the last few days have been. Everyone is entitled to having doubts or to being skeptical, but while some people showed it was quite possible to share these doubts in a respectful and dignified manner, there are many many others would took it too far, way too far.Whether you believe Nadia's story or not is entirely up to you. As Isabelle said, no one is asking money or support from you, but the way some of you have treated Nadia in this whole situation is unforgivable and truly despicable.

Shame on you. And shame on you again.


Isabelle - A passionate pretty lady swearing is fucking HOT in my books.

Nadia - I'm so sorry you've been put through this in addition to what you are already dealing with. But at this point, just ignore the lynch mob, focus on yourself and getting better, and those who wish the best for you. Let the others say what they want, as Isabelle said, nothing will ever satisfy them as much as what they're doing, so just ignore it.

It leaves a bad taste in my mouth and truly disappoints me, but I'm amazed at your attitude and those who have shown compassion and I think that is what we should all focus on. Leave the bottom feeders do what they do best and keep your head up.

 

[D.W.B]

What a bunch phony self righteous assholes!

 

[hunsperger]

What a bunch phony self riteous assholes.

I agree...

spelling aside...

 

[GoodKat]

What a bunch phony self righteous assholes!

Who?

 

[Ghostwheel1969]

I wish I could be suprised... I just ignore.

It's a sad fact that, as horrific as the circumstances are, there are small, self-hating people that feel that they need to share their angst and venom with the world. They abuse the abused, vilify the victims, and try to drag everything down to their worm-belly level.

I'm not suprised at some of these posts, unfortunately. I'm not cynical; I've just been around the block enough to know that, as a cross-section of society, this board will contain people of all strains and types. Unfortunately.

Fortunately, most of you out there are typical, caring, supportive people. Some of you are very untypical: those that have actively reached out with personal support, time, energy and emotion to help someone else. Salute.

Oh, and keep in mind: the people who vilify are the ones that probably use providers to assert their hatred, whether or not it's objectified, whether it's at women, the world, or their life.

Sad people. But don't pity them. Just ignore them, as I'm doing.

Cheers,
Ghostwheel

 

[poontanghunter]

what is even more disturbing is how some posters tried to make this effin situation about them, how people hate them, are mean, and after them, make posts to fight and argue then delete them etc. its really, really disgusting

This is about Nadia, leave your poor me drama at home

 

[BS Detector]

what is even more disturbing is how some posters tried to make this effin situation about them, how people hate them, are mean, and after them, make posts to fight and argue then delete them etc. its really, really disgusting

This is about Nadia, leave your poor me drama at home

I think you may have missed part of the thread because one individual said this is only a 'donation for pussy' thread and wondered where everyone was a year ago when another lady was attacked. Many here today were not here then and I am sure they would have stepped up to help if they were. You are right, this is about the attack on Nadia (not her income, job etc as some tried to make it).

 

[AA_Train]

Isabelle - A passionate pretty lady swearing is fucking HOT in my books.

I Didn't say it wasn't hot, I just figured most angels don't swear. Probably a rule in the angel handbook or something. God seems stuffy about those kind of things.

 

[Krustee]

I am utterly disgusted by some of you guys!

1. I have heard the whole story. As a friend and confident. YOU, none of you, are entitled to know any more than Nadia chooses to put forth. She has a RIGHT to her privacy and her dignity and SHAME ON YOU for believing that your tabloid fueled ego`s and desire to gawk at the suffering of others while you shovel food in your faces in front of the TV/computer TRUMPS her RIGHTS. You people are just people in cyber space. You lose and gain nothing by this knowledge. I question whether ANY of you doubters/attackers would ever be sufficiently satisfied that you might offer her any compassion, consideration or god forbid assistance. Would there ever be enough to earn more than a grumbled apology for her suffering? I doubt it.... SO STFU!

2. I have seen the bruises and you would be shocked by the brutality. I have seen how much pain she is in. I have seen her go white, clammy and almost faint from the simple act of standing up. I have seen the card of the officer who is handling the case along with the case file ID number. I have seen all of it. There is NO doubt as to what happened... and you are not entitled to hear every detail. If you don`t want to believe it, don`t so much as offer condolences, but stop it with this slander and speculating... it`s disgusting and ghoulish.

A truly heart felt FUCK YOU from the bottom of MY to anyone on a mission to violate her privacy or dignity by speculating about her, slandering her good reputation or vulturing in on what remains of her life.

Good night!

Although I can understand the outrage felt by some of the girls on this board at what they have seen written in response to this event, I think a more calm & rational reply would actually do more to help Nadia than casting aspersions toward those who you deem to be "disgusting".

Best not to get carried away & throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I do not know why anyone would be reluctant to believe that a women could be raped while doing buisness- anyone who might not believe an Escort CAN be raped while working is an absolute piece of sh*T! Shame on all who can not see such blatant truth....a pox on all your cocks

I must be a rare breed that does not feel the need to wish personal harm on those who are hesitant at believing something they read on an escort review board.

Believe it or not, there have been some rather big lies told on this board that has made a few very skeptical.

Most on here do not know Nadia personally & have no litmus test to determine truth from drama they have seen here before.

That said, some of the commentary about Nadia doing this for drama was far beyond & below poor taste.
Those peeps should take a serious look in the mirror to see if they can still call themselves a human being.

Just go read the I am here thread on the other board....fucking disgusting.

Take the high road here Nadia, you have many supporters here who will take up your defence without you losing any dignity by giving a pernicious response.

I personally would like to meet you & offer assistance beyond a one time payment.
My initial offer of $500 is still open but I am willing to add to that my time & ability to help in any other ways you may need. My SP also offers her support & condolences.
I have helped others in a similar situation to yours get back on their feet & move forward with confidence & courage.
The triumph over adversity & becoming a stronger better person/mother is what I hope for you most.

I`ts disheartening to know that when one of these ladies needs us, that we as a "community" are not only not there for her, we have I`m sure exasberated her situation.
This is honestly a situation where if you can`t say anything nice then I`m not interested in your opinion.

Those who feel the urge to act & either donate or help otherwise should do so.
Those not so inclined should remain silent.

Vilifying someone who does not want to get involved is not right nor is it right to express harm toward someone who`s only fault is to speak their own weak minded or cold hearted thoughts.
Shunning them would keep the blood off your hands.

I think I`ve mentioned this before but it appears that the bullshit piles up so high on this board that you need wings to stay above it so any statement can and will be scrutinized by skeptics and cynics. But I think anyone with an ounce of sense can see that this was legit as it was relatively detailed and for me as well as others, quite heart-wrenching.

As for the doubters, I guess they have the right to state there opinion but I think that they should just be ignored as responding to them is just counterproductive. Attention should only be paid to those who support Nadia and to those who have ideas to help with security issues

Good thinking, good post AA_Train.

Everyone is entitled to having doubts or to being skeptical, but while some people showed it was quite possible to share these doubts in a respectful and dignified manner, there are many many others would took it too far, way too far.Whether you believe Nadia`s story or not is entirely up to you.

Isabelle - A passionate pretty lady swearing is fucking HOT in my books.

Bijou, I find the above commentary spot on with the possible exception of the last sentence;
while "A passionate pretty lady swearing" may be hot it is certainly not dignified.

Whether or not one considers that important is another matter.

I`m not suprised at some of these posts, unfortunately. I`m not cynical; I`ve just been around the block enough to know that, as a cross-section of society, this board will contain people of all strains and types. Unfortunately.

Fortunately, most of you out there are typical, caring, supportive people. Some of you are very untypical: those that have actively reached out with personal support, time, energy and emotion to help someone else. Salute.

Oh, and keep in mind: the people who vilify are the ones that probably use providers to assert their hatred, whether or not it`s objectified, whether it`s at women, the world, or their life.

Sad people. But don`t pity them. Just ignore them, as I`m doing.

Cheers,
Ghostwheel

Great post Ghostwheel