My rant, Pissed with a curtain MP in Edmonton taking advantage of the girls.

[paigesplaymate]

1. I know you are angry that you heard this but I HAVE only HEARD THIS in the following context:

I go for session. Have my fun. Have sp tell me that she is going to QUIT because of the fact owner wants a freebie. Sp tells me where she is considering moving to and tells me I am her favourite client and she doesn't want me to lose touch with her when she quits.

2. I HAVE NO IDEA IF THE ALLEGATION IS TRUE.

3. If a "new" sp is so NAIVE (that is being euphematic as some would substitute STUPID) TO stay there under those conditions, then THAT IS HER CHOICE. Any "BLAME" should be shouldered on the other SPs (ie. more experienced ones) working there who are CHOOSING TO STAY there and NOT tell any new girls they don't have to put up with his alleged bullshit.

4. I have only been there 5 times in the past 1 year. I highly doubt my $250.00 (assuming he gets the room fee as i have no ACTUAL knowledge of how much he is taking from the sps) is making or breaking the scumbag's income.

5. NO ONE IS FORCING the sps to stay there. If the sps DON'T stand up for themselves, YOUR answer is to blame the customers? (again i only HEARD this from a sp who was quitting, i told her to quit and assured her she could easily find employment elsewhere - which she did).



GO YELL AT THE SPS who WERE working alongside your new friend and give them shit for not helping Ms. NAIVE (or Stupid, depending on your perspective). Again, we are dealing with a grown adult woman deciding to become a sp, not a developmentally delayed 12 year old.

Well this girl is far from Stupid, she realized it wasnt something she had to do. You might be shocked how many ladies would choose a fine rather than be with the boss. Makes for a uncomfortable working environment. They get away with these fines and asking girl to do this because in the end they get a freebie or they get to keep the credit card transactions.
This isnt walmart were dealing with, some of the older girls may get perks and thats why they stay. They might have drug issues and choose to keep their jobs cause it supports there habits. New girls might be scared of getting beat down instead just grin and bare it until something better pops up. From my understanding its clients that usually convince ladies to go to other places.
Many of the ladies from there called or emailed to say thank-you. Also I have had many PM's asking me where this place is. Your 250 a couple times a year does make a difference if there is enough ppl who think there 250 makes a difference.
I own a agency and no matter if ya call 2 times a year or 2 times a week, your making a difference to all of us. Those 2 extra calls a year is someone's week pay.

Im shocked with a board this big that ladies are not using it to better the biz for themselves, not only should this be a review place but I would like to see someplace where women only yak amongst each other so they can post and stand strong. Bad dates, beauty tips, bad owners. It all starts with one person standing up for themselves. Some can't help it there not as strong as others.

I have been in the BIZ awhile. I escorted for a short time and jumped into the ownership part of things because I seen how ppl were treated and I knew there are good girls who are in bad situations. I know I didnt want to go to work knowing my co-worker was poking needles in her arm and then expected to do doubles with her. Your turning a blind eye to things sometimes seems easier but if ya question and hear from enough ppl that things like this are going on then why be a part of it. Just cause were hoe's doesnt mean we need a break or need help every once and awhile.
I did this post because this lady was nice enough to tell me what was going on and I thought if it saves one lady from having to loose her money from not sleeping with management than its helped. I also did this post in hopes that maybe the owner would see it and stop doing what he is doing.
Girls in this Biz are suckered in all the time. Crasy fines in lots of the places OR places that take 50% of what they make. Its not right. It gives people like me a bad name and leaves the girl with no self respect.
Sometimes I wonder if the street isnt safer than some of these places who incourage girls to do drugs, threaten girls with telling there families. Right now I dont hear girls saying they fear there clients harming them, latley I have been hearing the girls fearing each other or the places that they work because either they been slow and girls get catty or their scared of loosing a job and told they wont be able to work anyplace else.

Something in Edmonton isnt right, I know I have had over 30 girls from there apply just last week. Give a girl the chance to be a lady and be respected and you would be shocked how they will do. Get the odd one in that wont help herself but they always wish they could have when they look back.

 

[ashley]

I know which studio

This is all I have to say HEAVEN'S GATE used to be called Pleasure point.

 

[val]

Here is my question? Why if you guys hear this kinda thing do you still go there? Your helping this guy pay his rent and draw girls into that place?
Sometimes I think Im nieve to all this, I know if I was a guy I wouldnt walk into a place like this, I wouldnt walk into a place that had girls on crack knowing the money was going to the next rock. There are good girls everywhere that are trying to get through school and raise children least walk out knowing your helping the girl out....

I've heard of it happening there from someone who applied and had to
strip down and masterbate to be considered for application.
but I'm definitely never visited there.
Don' get me mixed up with someone who has no ethics.

 

[ace85]

I agree with Paige

This post is not singling out ICE G. It is more directed to those who state one opinion "these owners are slimeballs", but continue to vistit the studios because they like the girls and the pricing.

I see it as hypocritical. It tends to follow the pattern of "Knight in Shinning Armor Syndrom" where pooners make efforts to to seperate themselves from the "average pooner", but tend to actually participate in the hobby/addicition/vice, like the average pooner.

I think if you know this to be happening and continue to visit the studio you are a contributing factor.

To blame the girl for staying there and suggest that "your contribution" is not making or breaking the studio is a cop out.

For me it is black and white, if you are going to condem the practice of the owner but then still support his business, then you are a hypocrite. If you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem.

I would suggest that most of us customers have some level of hypocrite in us anyway.

I think there are two options. If you have a favorite that works at a bad studio tell her you will see her when she moves to a better studio where the owner isn't a slime ball.

Or post that while taking advantage of the girls is a bad practice by the owner, you care only as long as you don't have to sacrifice getting off with one of your regular providers.

Wolverine is a good example of someone who has some integrity in this matter "I don't go there" and the reason is he has heard to many bad things.

Other guys post that these owners are slime balls but they still go there anyway. Interesting.

Good on you WOLVIE.

 

[wolverine]

The guys who run those studios are not the only reasons why I've never been to those studios, but it's a major one. There's other reasons, such as their locations and lack of internet presence. Just another clarification: I've been to Venus, but only under its previous incarnation as Eurospa. And I only went when French Anna was there.

 

[justa_guy]

playin the devils advocate

I certainly do not endorse the alleged actions of the male MP owners however, ALL MP owners need to accept the fact that they are basically pimps. Living off the avails... I mean lets face it, they may not be out on the playgrounds recruiting young girls but every young woman who enters their doors looking for a job are encouraged to join in the ranks. Hell, the cuter and prettier and sweeter you are the more money you will make the owner right? I wonder how many MP owners take a young, naive girl aside and say, "Honey, this is a really difficult job and you seem like a smart girl, I am sure you could do better than this" Its just not gonna happen.... Who cares if the lifestyle will end up robbing that girl of her self respect or self esteem. Just my opinion.

 

[paigesplaymate]

I certainly do not endorse the alleged actions of the male MP owners however, ALL MP owners need to accept the fact that they are basically pimps. Living off the avails... I mean lets face it, they may not be out on the playgrounds recruiting young girls but every young woman who enters their doors looking for a job are encouraged to join in the ranks. Hell, the cuter and prettier and sweeter you are the more money you will make the owner right? I wonder how many MP owners take a young, naive girl aside and say, "Honey, this is a really difficult job and you seem like a smart girl, I am sure you could do better than this" Its just not gonna happen.... Who cares if the lifestyle will end up robbing that girl of her self respect or self esteem. Just my opinion.

Not all men would run these things like there pimps. Its not living off the avails if you take a set amount for advertizing and the rooms ect. Fines are bullshit seeing these ladies are indy contractors for the places. Wonder if he claims those fines? If there not indy then the place should be giving them T-4's
This man the girl told me about is 60 years old. Sure he might have a girl come on to him to improve her ranks and what they do is there own biz. BUT to make a review of each girl a policy is bullshit. Dennis @ bunnyranch has the girls all over him for some odd reason. If he sleeps with them its cause they want to. Its not in the working manual. Any bar that has a tub girl that does good on weekends cause she is cute gets the same treatment. Does this mean he is a pimp.
Yes, some ppl do care about these girls and tell them there better than this. I have 3 in school that worked for me last year and hope a few more soon. Miss Georgia is back in schools and comes here on the weekends. Brooke is in school fulltime, Allannah is getting her GED through a home program.
I have a course that I ran at red deer college for ladies that had the RCMP there showing the girls self deffence, the college showing the girls how to get back in school, the health clinic, addacc, even a bank to show these girls how to get a bank account and credit. If a man was doing same as me I would far then call him a pimp.
I have loads of emails from Calgary, Ed town and all over from clients and girls asking me to open up where they are. Like I explain to some of them, its not what some of you think, I came to fort mac and I had ppl go after my kids, my home, threatenned my life. I fight hard for this and treated my girls good. I put my real name out in front covers and headlines knowing my family would be upset and knowing my kids school teacher might read it. WHY? Cause Im sick of this industry being full of lowlives, Im sick of people thinking were "all" the same.

Its funny cause In a few days ya can look at my site and I have a clothing line coming out called Ho'e gear and its nothing but hookers should br proud shirts ect... example Avalible hourly charge may apply
I dont need a tractor to pull a hoe

Johns asshole (pic of small circle)
Johns asshole in Jail after pooning (pic of large circle)
Help saves johns ass and support legalized brothels in Canada.


No one is gonna change there minds as long as everyone sits around and just bitches on Perb. You dont have to be like me and be in the front of the paper but ya can walk by the creepy establishment or least walk in and shake the assholes up and let them know your watching.

 

[paigesplaymate]

Maybe I need to try what they do in New York, be a client screening service. Any client can pay to be screened and the girls can call to see if there cleared. We can all become numbered and there will be no more need for ladies to work in MP's as all there clients would be screened for incall in hotels... What a idea eh... LOL I think the place was called roomservice that did that not to long ago...

 

[Walleye]

No Angel

I fail to see you as any Angel here Paige. Using this example to pull as many girls up to Ft Mac to line your own pocket.

I have heard many comments about your service before and yes, I have been a customer. Your "protectionist" attitude is very well known. Through your connections and threats you allow NO other ladies to work Ft Mac. You destroy tours and eliminate any competition. UNLESS they come up to WORK FOR YOU. That takes away freedom of choice and I disagree with this.

In regards to this owner. If a girl choose to accept those terms that's up to her. Not up to me to decide what's right or wrong for her. Calgary escorts pay 400/month to the Sun for thier ads. Which might pull more business? Ads in the Sun or huge reviews, write ups and support through Perb? I'm sure it's been done.
As an MP, is it better to be #1 in a poorer studio or a newbie in a top spot fighting for two shifts a week? I really don't know this, but I do know girls do promotions all the time in one form or another. All I say is as long as she has the freedom to choose, then educate her and let her do so. (IMHO)

On a posative note. Thank you to you and others like Ann Strachan who do stand up for yourself and your industry. I write a few e mails to city councel but it's all I can do. You do deserve more credit for these actions. And I think a verification process would be the way to go in these times with a serial killer in our midst.

my 2 cents

 

[westwoody]

any other business owner does it,why wouldn't it happen in this situation?

Do that in the real world and you'll wind up in court on a sexual harassment suit so fast you won't know what happened to you!

 

[paigesplaymate]

I fail to see you as any Angel here Paige. Using this example to pull as many girls up to Ft Mac to line your own pocket.

I have heard many comments about your service before and yes, I have been a customer. Your "protectionist" attitude is very well known. Through your connections and threats you allow NO other ladies to work Ft Mac. You destroy tours and eliminate any competition. UNLESS they come up to WORK FOR YOU. That takes away freedom of choice and I disagree with this.

In regards to this owner. If a girl choose to accept those terms that's up to her. Not up to me to decide what's right or wrong for her. Calgary escorts pay 400/month to the Sun for thier ads. Which might pull more business? Ads in the Sun or huge reviews, write ups and support through Perb? I'm sure it's been done.
As an MP, is it better to be #1 in a poorer studio or a newbie in a top spot fighting for two shifts a week? I really don't know this, but I do know girls do promotions all the time in one form or another. All I say is as long as she has the freedom to choose, then educate her and let her do so. (IMHO)

On a posative note. Thank you to you and others like Ann Strachan who do stand up for yourself and your industry. I write a few e mails to city councel but it's all I can do. You do deserve more credit for these actions. And I think a verification process would be the way to go in these times with a serial killer in our midst.

my 2 cents

I can't say that you have used my service but I do recall emails we exchanged in regards to you wanting me to adveritize with the blueorchid models at one time. Through a missunderstanding because I didnt read your email I did bark back at you.
Let me explain a little about Fort McCrack as many ppl who live here know it as. This isnt a place where every man has a address, there is many places who dont take ID and a number of working apts that have buddy of a buddy living in them. Many times ladies show up to work indy and they walk into 5 guys smoking crack. They end up out at sites/camp and get beat up. Not every client is nice and the odds of running into them are great. A number of times men have brought up young girls (underage) and they ran ads in the papers. Paid for cash by a 3rd party no one ever knew who these young girls where or what was going to happen to them. As a agency we have drivers ect and claim responsiblity for making sure the lady is safe.
You say Im lining my pockets, Im far from someone who lines there pockets. The ads you talk about girls taking out in Calgary 400 a month are peanuts to what I spend. I don't know of any other place that puts the marketting I do into the ladies or the time to listen to them. Newspaper ads a week cost be between 700-1000 dollars. Not to mention I dont cheap out on Yellow Pages and get black and white crap with a pic of a 1/2 nakkid cartoon chick. Every appointment I book I walk away with 32 dollars from. Girls dont pay me fines, there is no extention fee, and no weekly advertizing fee. The way I see it is guys dont like suprises in charges so I dont do it to the girls. Ladies decide there own extention charges so there free to make whatever they want. I only quote a hour time so its fair for everyone and the ladies don't have to degrate themselves and beg for money. I could say alot less on the phone and book more out Im sure (line my pockets) but why put the lady in a sitation that could turn aggressive because he only wants to pay the lower charge.Want to talk about someone lining there pockets, talk to other agencies who charge the girl for there ads, charge there girls 600 a week for boarding, charge there girls 100 bucks for every hour there out not to mention the 100 fines that add up so they can keep the visa transactions.
You tell me if 32 dollars would be worth it to you to put up with drama, listen to girls cry, have some jackass who you told off because he had some plan on sending chicks up here to work off a hotmail address only is any better. I would think he worries about his own website has a right to look down on me as I know Im 10 minutes away from my ladies and have established a good reputation with my contacts as you call them (RCMP, City Hall Ect) incase I need them. Not just because of clients but who knows a girl comes up and freaks out cause she is going through withdrawls. This isnt a perfect world.

As for ANY ladies who have worked for me, generally I would say there happy. The fact they come back would tell me so, maybe a few don't like the fact I wont let them smoke weed in the house and drug test them if I think theres cocaine but thats there problem. I've fired girls for complaining just because it was bring the moral of the house down. If fighting for my girls to make the most and be the best they are then Im guilty. Im not going to let someone walk in here and ruin a good thing for these ladies.

Until you own something like this its hard to talk, I have had girls who make me NO money because they keep getting complaints cause they seem grumpy. Natural thing to do is fire them but sometimes all it takes is talking to the girl. The one lady I discribed turned out to have a rotten tooth and was embarrassed to smile.
As far as perb is concerned I have only a handfull of clients who post on here or call from here. Many who ask me about seeing ladies other places and I gladly try and help the best I can to get the ladies work without any pockets being lined. You obviously have me confused with someone who is greedy.

The props at the end of your post are nice to read and I thank-you for that but you need to realize my intentions and my girls that come up here come first.

 

[westwoody]

It's not right but it is bound to happen,check out any large corparation(non mp),it happens all the time!

I don't know where you work, but I've seen guys (and gals) ruined over this. Look what happened to the CEO of Boeing. We've had lots of seminars on this...dead serious, no joking around. Fucking around in the office is dodgy at best. But go ahead and do it if you like being unemployed.

 

[paigesplaymate]

No Angel

Thought about your post while going to the store and I have to give you some credit. Just remember next time you post about me that Im not exactly worried about lining my pockets, Im more of a attention whore than anything.
Read up on me not only am I fighting for ladies to work places that treat them fair and to have things legalized for them. Im doing it for pooners too.
As far as keeping track of my competition in town and chasing ladies who come up out who undercut and provide BareBack services. HELL ya, not just cause they might not be safe but because my girls pay me a fee to get them work and keep them busy. Its called running a company.
Where would you rather work? Someplace that doesnt care, they dont market girls, they dont care if they make money they can always fine them. This is a biz no different than any others, I could drop my rates and take over the last of the few companies here but I would rather keep the rates so we all come out ahead and treat the girls better.
Go back and do some readin ask ya might read I recommend people from the other agency so Im far from worried just about myself. Obviously I must care about people or I wouldnt be worried about your post as your only providing your views. Then again its not all that bad to have on there as you state I look after my girls.

 

[laurelle]

paige is awesome.

as a sp who has worked for a few agencies and seen how they operate i'm glad to vouch for paige. after noting how she runs her business it's doubtful if i'll ever work for anybody else, except for myself maybe eventually. in the past week i put all worries about tuition debt and concerns over travel costs to rest, and slept without the stress of drugs and drama (thanks to paige, who doesn't stand for bullshit) that seem to be a fairly common cloud over other lesser agencies. i'm just saying.

 

[laurelle]

and is there anybody here who actually thinks that sweet 19-year-old girl from edmonton is making a mistake by not going back to hustle in a dodgy massage parlour?! eff. otherwise, you can thank paige.

 

[gabrielle]

i love reading this shit

here is the scoop:

the owners of shit places, as a rule of thumb, like to hire green girls...like me at one time. the girls who are currently working are instructed not to talk to you about services and pricing and so forth. he then advertises you as 'new to the business' in the SUN, and instructs the girls to do so over the phone. you are swamped with all sorts men requesting this, that, and the other for such and such tip/donation (well below what its worth in edmonton's market). because of these practices, the place is busier than you'd think. many times girls have left parlours like that with less money than what they had to pay out to the owners. the owner makes you think that this is whats normal. he says that if another girl tries to tell you about prices and services, its because she's jealous and wants to sabotage you trying to make money. major head games are being played with the minds of these girls. he really makes you believe that there is no ther place busier and so forth. and why wouldn't we believe everything he says... we don't know any better.

remember that when you go to a place like this...you're supporting this and not the girls. if a place like that is dead (no clients), the girls will want to leave and not believe the lies.

 

[Tiffany]

Gabrielle I think you said that well. This has been such a problem for a long time. I have worked with alot of girls that came from these places. The sad thing is alot of them after working there for so many months still don't know the ins and outs of the business. Forgive me for saying this, but I think alot of guys that support these studios like to take advantage of the fact that these girls don't know any better. These business owners have help wanted ads in the general employment columns. I think this job is anything but general.

I don't think the issue here was about how well Paige treats her girls. We should be glad that there are girls like Paige that will stand up and show their face. Alot of us won't including me. I'm glad that someone is finally addressing this issue, because nobody deserves to be taken advantage of. Most of these girls are 18 or 19, first time in this business, so it's not their fault that they're naive. Think about the first time that you walked into an mp, did you know what to do? You just trusted your sp to fill you in on what you needed to know. Just like these girls had to trust the boss to show them the way it is.

Way to go Paige! I'm glad that you started this thread. Hopefully with enough awareness and support these guys will not be able to take advantage of these girls anymore.

 

[paigesplaymate]

Gabrielle I think you said that well. This has been such a problem for a long time. I have worked with alot of girls that came from these places. The sad thing is alot of them after working there for so many months still don't know the ins and outs of the business. Forgive me for saying this, but I think alot of guys that support these studios like to take advantage of the fact that these girls don't know any better. These business owners have help wanted ads in the general employment columns. I think this job is anything but general.

I don't think the issue here was about how well Paige treats her girls. We should be glad that there are girls like Paige that will stand up and show their face. Alot of us won't including me. I'm glad that someone is finally addressing this issue, because nobody deserves to be taken advantage of. Most of these girls are 18 or 19, first time in this business, so it's not their fault that they're naive. Think about the first time that you walked into an mp, did you know what to do? You just trusted your sp to fill you in on what you needed to know. Just like these girls had to trust the boss to show them the way it is.

Way to go Paige! I'm glad that you started this thread. Hopefully with enough awareness and support these guys will not be able to take advantage of these girls anymore.

Thanks Tiff, I do realize its gonna happen and not all ladies know at first about perb BUT the ladies who have been in this awhile I am sure will make there bosses aware. Its come to my attention its not just the sleezy guy I talk about doing this but another place who I thought was respectable is also doing reviews of the ladies.... Its has been implied to me through Pm and I have been asking ladies..

 

[mick_eight]

education

My take from this is that the rookies are unsure of the norms,they then learn the hard way. Maybe one answer would be for some of the more savey ladies to print out a small guide to help them,not all may be helped,but if one is,it would be worth it.

 

[Chloe]

Hello, Im chloe. I used to work at heavens gate, and yes, that sick bastard will fine from $500-$1000 or more if these "evaluations" werent completed each month.
otherwise, we lose our job....thats what happened to me....i refused, and here i am, no longer working there, thank god....
one thing is though....this guy is forcing these girls...because these girls have children to feed, some have made mistakes in life, but afre now trying to make things better....this guy is a freak, someone should do something...i wish there was something i could do....
Ive already been to the police about this, and the only way something can happen to him is if we girls testify...this is the reason why no one will come forward, yet we know whats happening,.....its so sad.....

Chloe