If they are Christian fundamentalists, e.g. believe the lost go to an eternal hell, then saving souls
is far more important than saving "lives" that are soon going to die anyway. In which case they
would think that you need a "change of heart".
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is far more important than saving "lives" that are soon going to die anyway. In which case they
would think that you need a "change of heart".
Which is why you don't want Christian fundamentalists running governments.....or given our tax dollars.
I simply read the paper that was provided as a reference by Bijou in her anti-SA position. If it is inaccurate then it shouldn't have been referenced to begin with and needs to be discredited now if it is untrue. You can't make these references only when its convenient for your position.
As far as I can tell it is the public position that SA communicates and it clearly supports diversion. If LE or crown isn't implementing diversion then that is contrary to the SA's position and cannot be put on them unless you can provide us proof that their actual position differs from their public one. SA publicly stated that it does not support criminalization.
You said that SA provided "revamped space" for trafficking victims as opposed to "building a house". Did SA misrepresent their intentions on a fundraising drive and bring in money under false pretenses? If this isn't the case, then the fact that they provided a "revamped space" is better than not having any revamped space, isn't it? Everyone wants shiny new things but that can't always be the case.
And it doesn't necessarily surprise me that an organization refuses "help" with design of a building space from a group like yours. It isn't as if you have any expert opinions to offer in health care or building construction, and I'm guessing that they do have their own social work experts that they rely upon. Maybe you do have good input you could share - but it doesn't surprise me that they would say "thanks, but no thanks". The more people you have providing input in building anything, the more complicated and difficult the entire process becomes as everyone starts arguing about how it should be built. This ultimately ends up taking more time, resulting in more compromises, and ultimately costing more money.
Again, it has been determined that the SA is more efficient with its fundraising dollars than any other charity out there. If you know something that everyone else doesn't then you need to substantiate this. You may be right about some of the discussions you've had with these people in your experiences...but its tough to just blindly support you unless you can publish hard facts because it sounds like you, along with many SP's in the industry, have a fundamental problem with the basic foundations of the Christian church - most specifically on their views of sex outside marriage between a man and woman.
I'm sure that there are people in the SA that "exploit myths" to push their own agenda...this happens in every walk of life. But I'm guessing that there is a possibility that it goes both ways in this instance too. We need hard facts ...if you got 'em then share them.
What's wrong with picking something local where you can see the results. The main thing is why are you doing it? Genuine concern about helping others, or a quick guilt fix. Personally I would rather give things and time than money. I can't control what anyone does with the money, but blankets, coats, food can only be used one way.
wow, get irrate much...? this organization came to the meeting- GAATW the foremost experts in the world http://www.gaatw.org/ read where they talk about the harms caused by anti trafficking campiagns, the anti trafficking campaigns cause more harm than traffickers, that out of 63 raids against asian mp's not one trafficking victim was found. what happened to the workers..? they were found working illegally in canada, thrown in prison and were deported.
read where GAATW talk about what happenes when these workers return to their countires of origin...sometimes thrown in prison, sometimes executed...?
and to expose vulerable women who have been used as sex slaves to mentally ill and drug addicted men some fresh out of prison is not better than no bed. they should have done what they said they were going to do. if they want to help, they should do it right. what if one of the victims was raped in the shelter having been "rescued" from being raped as a sex slave...? women are sexually assaulted all the time in the east end shelters.....
i have been working in social justice for 10 years and have authored numerous reports sitting on committees with BIA"S, CPC's, police, coastal health, neighbourhood houses, city staff....i have trained police for vpd, the rcmp, department of national defense, border services, revenue canada.....
one committe i am on http://vancouver.ca/police/assets/pdf/brochures/siwsag-overview.pdf with the VPD worked with funding from the office to combat trafficking in persons to create this report in response to all of the fear mongering around human trafficking. http://vancouver.ca/police/assets/pdf/reports-policies/report-human-trafficking-2010-games.pdf
the sole source of data for the assertions made on the SA website are taken from ubc associate law professor benjamin perrins writing. he extrapolates conditions for sex workers in cambodia and an african war zone to apply to canadian sex working conditions. even when shown the error of what they were doing and the potential harms they went blindly forward. i remember major venebles announcing one day" we got'em" as if they had rescued anyone...they had not.
i am a bit put out by your comment "a group like yours"...what exactly does that mean? a group run by and for sex workers? the very people they claim to want to rescue....? we have credibility across the board, why wouldn't they want to work with us is a better question....and exactly what numerous groups all trying to give feed back are you talking about? do you think there are a miriade of groups all trying to adress this issue...? there aren't. there are so many meetings we need to be attending and not enough of us to fill all of the committee spots, its exhausting.
when we did the trade secrets project www.tradesecretsguide.blogspot.com we worked with cantonese migrant sex workers, they were not trafficked. the aesha project say the same thing, yes it happens but not to the degree they are promoting. their campaigns cause raids and deportations....the year after the 63 health enhancement center raids, 3 sex workers of asian descent were murdered, that community also endured a series of targeted robberies by a group of cowards who knew they would not call the police for fear of deportation...great job sally ann....i hear that's happening again now...
i have no problem with people having faith and upholding personal values in fact i share alot of the values the church does and have numerous friends who are sex workers and have faith/attend church with their families and children.
it sounds like you are holding alot of old steroe types about who sp's are, we are the woman with children sitting next to you in church, why wouldn't we be...? or is it that sp's are outside of god's love....?
most of my clients are not married, we are not the home wrecking whores we are made out to be. most of the men i meet are lonely, vulnerable and in need of companionship/'release/touch/intimacy/fucking...whatever you want to call it and it takes many forms.
i don't really care what the church or sally ann believe about my morales, my problem is with them trying to impose what they think on me. i am a human being with rights, if i want to fuck little old guys for money and that makes me happy, that is none of their business. when they cast us all as trafficking victims they mess with my safety, freedom and livelyhood.
had enough...? lol
huggsy, i know you mean well but there is no arguing with me on this. i know way too much about what is going on. do a little reading and then comment but try not to diminish the work myself and other current and former sp's are doing as some how mis leading, it is not. i am not a liar or a manipulator. i tell it like it is. ask anyone....
love susie
Yep. Debating points awarded completely to Susi. I would never dream of arguing with her about anything to do with her work and advocacy, because I would not come out too well. And that other thing --- her being right --- counts as well....
Whoa Susi...do you get irate much? Re-read my reply with your inner happy voice rather than your inner hostile voice. Maybe you'll recognize that there is just a conversation going on here rather than a punch up. I've communicated to you that many of us base our opinions on the information available to us, and requested that if you do know more then pass it along to us.
Maybe you would further your own cause in a more efficient manner if you wouldn't get offended so easily and insult the people discussing your issues.
Is this the fault of the SA and citizens who support anti-trafficking, or is this the fault of LE, crown and immigration for having poor policy or having a different agenda? Is your issue that the government has deported people who entered into our country illegally into Canada and got deported? That sounds like a different issue Susi...what is your agenda regarding this?
1. You didn't say that the "revamped space" was the same space you're referencing here. Maybe you should have clarified.
2. Are you saying that it is best that having no bed at all is a better alternative than the current choice? Because there is actually a choice...
3. Do you actually know what the resources the SA have available to them? Do you actually know they have the funds to build a separate "house"? Susi...of course everyone wants them to "do it right", but do you actually know what their resource capability actually is???? They've provided the help that they are able to...for you to say that "if they want to help, they should do it right" makes you sound very unappreciative for all the support that they do give in so many different aspects of society.
So are you saying that sex-trafficking is not a problem in our society and is something that we shouldn't be fighting against then? Are you telling us that the SA actually dictates the actions our LE and crown take when it comes to targetting potential sex traffickers? I'm guessing that the SA themselves aren't the ones going out and raiding, capturing and deporting these people. It sounds to me like your problem is more to do with our law enforcement and deporting illegal migrants, no?
The comment was not intended to disrespect you or your "group". It was put that way because I do not know how to reference whatever group you represent - not all of us follow your every post or blog. The comment was in reference to you being put off by the SA not including you in "the design" of the new space. Design is a construction issue...and no matter how qualified you are on sex trade issues and your affiliation in a "group run by and for sex workers", the only point I was making is that you are not qualified to provide advice on technical construction or design issues. That is all.
So there were trafficked sex workers found? Is this not a success at any time? Again...is your problem with deporting illegal aliens? And are you going to blame the murders on the SA policy, or on the people who actually commit the murders and for whom our law enforcement is attempting to combat?
You have no idea what my personal values are. For one, I do believe in many of the values held by people of faith but I personally do not have faith in a higher being nor do I support any organized religion. All the power to people who do - fill yer boots - but I for one don't buy what they're selling as a general rule when it comes to a belief in god. But I have no problem at all whatsoever when these groups do go out and help improve our communities.
If you need "god's love" then go ahead and seek it. I couldn't care one way or another.
I don't have any issue with an SP choosing her walk of life as long as its her choice. None at all whatsoever. Do I think it is a healthy occupation for them emotionally, physically, psychologically, etc...I personally do not think it is for most people considering the society we live in and based on observation. But I personally do not judge any SP negatively one iota. That said...I have not shared with you any opinion until now about SP's so for you to say I have "alot of old stereotypes" is somewhat confusing.
C'mon Susi...we're not stupid. We know SP's cater to married men. Is that wrong? That depends on an individual's personal beliefs. It is wrong in the eyes of a fundamentalist Christian group such as the SA...of course it is. Is this surprising? Of course not. Does it shock you that the SA fundamentally is opposed to what SP's do? Not to me and not to a lot of people.
And herein lies the crux of the issue. The thing is that these policies don't target you. You're not going to be deported and you're not being trafficked and they don't target you because you are a legal Canadian resident. I think you have a problem with the fundamental beliefs of the Christian church because they do not support what you do for a living and that you also have a different agenda when it comes to our government and their handling of illegal aliens who happen to be females working in the sex trades
Whatever. I don't claim to be an expert. I just ask a lot of questions and ask for answers in return. You can get defensive if you like but that doesn't help you to advance your agenda...it would be more helpful for you to just try to educate when we do ask you questions.
To just patronizingly say that "there is no arguing with (you) on this" and demand that we all just follow Susi in blind faith isn't going to help your cause at all, is it? Ironically enough this is what organized religions demands of people regarding faith...just follow blindly
dude, i could care less what you think any more, if you are not going to do a little, i mean just a little research and reading on this, why should i bother.
i am not a self serving person, i fight for the rights of migrant sex workers because i feel obligated too. do i care what you think the sally ann think about what i think? no.
you seem like a nice guy so i will leave it at this. you have no clue what you are talking about on this issue and i did post a few times in this thread so assumed you had seen my references to the sally ann's so called "house for trafficking victims".
no, not one person has been arrested for sex trafficking. the few cases in the courts are related to domestic workers, construction, tree planting and migrant farm workers.
dude, i serously doubt you will ever have any influence over the work i do nor will you take the time to understnad where i come from on it. i don't need you to support "my cause". i never said no clients were married. i have married clients whose wives refuse them sex in some cases for decades.
honestly, i am not trying to advance "my agenda" here. i post out of a sense that people should be informed and in the hopes people will rpovide feed back on the actions we propose. i mean what is my agenda- to help sex workers gain our rights? to protect clients from being further criminalized? it certainly isn't for the money....there is none, we don't fund raise.
have a nice xmas, try reading some of the material i sent you.
i have never asked anyone to "follow" me any where, if you read any of the things i posted you would know we always engage with sex workers and gather common experiences and need to shape our goals and direction. i am not in charge nor do i direct any one or anything.
and finally who is this "we" you keep refering too...? gotta mouse in yer pocket? or do you feel you represent the community here?
thanks though, it is always nice to feel appreciated.
love susie
i am not a self serving person, i fight for the rights of migrant sex workers because i feel obligated too. do i care what you think the sally ann think about what i think? no.
you seem like a nice guy so i will leave it at this. you have no clue what you are talking about on this issue and i did post a few times in this thread so assumed you had seen my references to the sally ann's so called "house for trafficking victims".
no, not one person has been arrested for sex trafficking. the few cases in the courts are related to domestic workers, construction, tree planting and migrant farm workers.
dude, i serously doubt you will ever have any influence over the work i do nor will you take the time to understnad where i come from on it. i don't need you to support "my cause". i never said no clients were married. i have married clients whose wives refuse them sex in some cases for decades.
honestly, i am not trying to advance "my agenda" here. i post out of a sense that people should be informed and in the hopes people will rpovide feed back on the actions we propose. i mean what is my agenda- to help sex workers gain our rights? to protect clients from being further criminalized? it certainly isn't for the money....there is none, we don't fund raise.
have a nice xmas, try reading some of the material i sent you.
i have never asked anyone to "follow" me any where, if you read any of the things i posted you would know we always engage with sex workers and gather common experiences and need to shape our goals and direction. i am not in charge nor do i direct any one or anything.
and finally who is this "we" you keep refering too...? gotta mouse in yer pocket? or do you feel you represent the community here?
thanks though, it is always nice to feel appreciated.
love susie
Ditto! We need to be liberal minded and not intrude on the decisions each person may make simply because one diagrees with the principles and values of a particular charity.
cool alin! i remember this recent case now and i am glad they got it right for once. 1 of 70 in vancouver's recent raids isnt bad....its just hard for me because they displace so many workers to rescue a few. don't get me wrong i am happy the girls were rescued but the price the rest of us pay is high.
if they would work with us maybe we could lessen the harm they cause and improve their record in combating these crimes.
love susie
if they would work with us maybe we could lessen the harm they cause and improve their record in combating these crimes.
love susie
"In 2004, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) estimated that 600-800 persons are trafficked into Canada annually and that additional 1,500-2,200 persons are trafficked through Canada into the United States. [2] This was updated in 2010 [3]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_Canada
"Canada is a source, transit, and destination country for men, women, and children trafficked for the purposes of commercial sexual exploitation and forced labor. Canadian women and girls, many of whom are aboriginal, are trafficked internally for commercial sexual exploitation.
http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Canada.htm
"Girls as young as 12 are trafficked in Canada for sexual purposes according to Criminal Intelligence Service Canada’s 2008 Strategic Intelligence Brief, Organized Crime and Domestic Trafficking in Persons in Canada."
http://www.worldvision.ca/ContentAr...afficking-statistics-global-and-canadian.aspx
"The RCMP on Human Trafficking in Canada: A Threat Assessment
•Recent convictions of human trafficking have mostly involved victims who are citizens and/or permanent residents of Canada trafficked for the purpose of sexual exploitation.
•Human trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation has been mostly associated with organized prostitution occurring discreetly behind fronts, like escort agencies and residential brothels. Such establishments are extremely difficult for law enforcement to detect without proactive investigations.
•Human trafficking investigations have found that foreign national sex workers who engage illegally in the sex trade are vulnerable to being exploited and trafficked.
•Organized crime networks with Eastern European links have been involved in the organized entry of women from former Soviet States into Canada for employment in escort services in the Greater Toronto Area and possibly in massage and escort services in the Montreal area. These groups have demonstrated transnational capabilities and significant associations with convicted human traffickers in the Czech Republic, Germany, Belarus, and Israel.
•Human trafficking has been identified in bawdy houses operated by Asian prostitution rings. The establishments are discreet and staffed solely by Asian migrants or persons of Asian descent.
•Asian sex workers have been observed to travel inter-provincially between Canadian cities and possibly to the U.S, to prostitute in bawdy houses.
•Major Canadian cities with an established network of Asian organized crime are destinations for migrant sex workers from Asia. Organized crime groups operate multiple bawdy houses across a city and some are believed to associate with prostitution rings in other cities.
•Some convicted offenders of domestic human trafficking were found to be affiliated to street gangs known to law enforcement for their pimping culture. It is unknown if human trafficking is an organized gang activity or motivated independently by financial gain.
•Domestic human trafficking victims have mostly been recruited through the Internet or by an acquaintance. The victims were groomed, manipulated, and coerced to enter the sex trade.
•Some victims of domestic human trafficking have been underage girls exploited through prostitution in exotic dance clubs and/or escort services. Control tactics employed by traffickers to retain victims in exploitative situations include social isolation, forcible confinement, withholding identification documents, imposing strict rules, limitation of movement, as well as threats and violence.
•Significant human trafficking indicators were identified in some cases involving foreign national domestic workers who were smuggled into Canada by their employers. These live-in domestic workers were controlled, threatened, underpaid, and forced to work by their employers.
•Many victims or potential victims in human trafficking investigations believed that if they did not comply to exploitation, their employers would have been capable of inflicting harm on family members in Canada or overseas, while those engaged in sex work feared that their employers would disclose to their families that they were prostituting in Canada.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/pubs/ht-tp/htta-tpem-eng.htm
"Trafficking in persons only became a Criminal Code offence in November 2005. To date, convictions under this offence have involved victims who were Canadian women and girls subjected to sexual exploitation.
"The lack of human trafficking prosecutions related to foreign victims is a startling gap in Canada’s efforts to combat this problem, particularly given that law enforcement agencies continue to bring forward such victims. While victim protection is paramount, only prosecuting their traffickers successfully confronts this problem.
"There are signs that crimes involving the sexual exploitation of foreign nationals are being taken more seriously. In R. v. Ng, 2008 BCCA 535, the B.C. Court of Appeal decided to increase Wai Chi (Michael) Ng’s sentence by one year, to a total of 27 months. While Ng’s acquittal on human trafficking charges under IRPA was upheld on evidentiary grounds, his sentence for prostitution-related convictions under the Code was found to be inadequate.
“Deterrence is a significant factor in sentencing for these offences. Because of the moral turpitude involved, denunciation is an equally significant factor. The sentences imposed for the prostitution offences do not adequately speak to these factors and are unfit,” wrote Justice Richard Low."
http://www.lawyersweekly.ca/index.php?section=article&articleid=849
"Quinn says human trafficking and sexual exploitation cases are more difficult to prosecute in Canada because the burden of proof falls on the victims, who are usually too terrified to speak up."
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2011/03/09/17547016.html
The Salvation Army and trafficking:
http://www.salvationarmy.ca/tag/human-sexual-trafficking/
http://www.salvationarmy.ca/2011/09/26/salvation-army-responds-to-human-trafficking/
Again, people....be aware of what and who you're dontating your money to. It might not be used for what you think it is, and religious organizations always have 'other' programs and indoctorines that use that cash. You might think you're helping the homeless, the downtrodden....or funding some diddler in a frock's defence. Do your homework.
Well, hun, I did read the links you provided as well as the other references provided by other posters. There are arguments on both sides of the equation. Your position, while many might agree as noble, is a little more far-reaching than you let on in this argument. You support all "migrant" sex workers, and they are getting caught up and deported in these enforcement actions and you don't like it. Fine.
But some of us don't have an issue with people being deported if they didn't enter the country legally. Whether they be gang members, bankers, factory workers, or escorts. You don't agree...fine. But don't mix this issue up with the one being discussed. That's not a sex trade issue...that's an immigration issue.
As you've said there are only a "few" cases regarding sex trafficking before the courts - so its not like there are thousands of sex trade workers getting caught up by prosecuters then is there. Why the fear mongering on your part? Because sex trade workers who are also here in Canada illegally are being deported?
I think that there are a lot of guys involved in this industry that intuitively KNOW there is more trafficking out there than what is being discovered and prosecuted by LE. The real issue is how do we root it out if the current programs are failing.
But don't stop giving to the SA because LE and crown haven't been able to nail down the trafficking issue.
Although I do not agree with your boycott, if what you are saying is true they should re-evaluate the way they encorporate religious views with their help. In today's cultural melting pot they cannot expect all that need help are going to be one of the governing religons. My arguement is in tandem with other various charities.
In the end any giving to charity leaves you with a good feeling.
In the end any giving to charity leaves you with a good feeling.
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As long as you're perfectly comfortable with being called/considered a sexual exploiter?
http://www.iast.net/ProstitutionandSexTrafficking.htm
Most of the articles that are listed concern prostitution -without any distinction between forced or voluntary sex work - and are authored by know and outspoken prostitution abolitionists.
You'll also notice the websites that are listed at the bottom of that page are very much fighting for the abolition of prostitution - all prostitution - and all advocate for the "Swedish" or "Nordic" model of criminalizing the "demand" ie the clients and making the purchasing of sexual services criminal.
How do we talk about this? (Prostitution and Sex Trafficking)
Caring Magazine - The Salvation Army Western Territory
What is this website anyway?
http://www.iast.net/index.htm
Contact:
Lisa Thompson
IAST Coordinator
c/o The Salvation Army National Headquarters
http://www.salvationarmy.ca/british...-army-to-help-deter-olympics-sex-traffickers/
Get that? The SA is telling you that girls who are working on the street are trafficked, they're forced and that makes you a rapist. Nevermind the fact that one would assume it would be easy to find these hundreds of victims and their traffickers if all one had to do is find anyone selling sex outdoors!
It also seems to contradicts the claims of Perrin only a few lines above:
I guess that makes anyone who pays for sex, indoors, outdoors, in a car or on the moon....yup, a rapist.
http://www.salvationarmy.ca/2006/10...he-standing-committee-on-the-status-of-women/
http://www.soroptimist.org/articles/article_trafficking.html
(Btw experts don't agree and there's actually no evidence whatsoever that establishes a connection. Self proclaimed experts and abolitionists agree but it ends there. Since trafficking isn't limited to the sex trade, by that same bonehead logic, they should be demanding laws against farming, live-in maids, restaurants and the entire garment industry to save all the victims and arrest all the employers, placement agencies and most of all the consumers driving the demand for food, clothes and clean houses - obviously they're all deviants!
)http://rightswork.org/2011/10/seeki...afficking-by-curbing-demand-for-prostitution/
http://rightswork.org/2011/11/us-state-department-fails-to-produce-evidence-for-its-‘fact-sheet’/
http://rightswork.org/2011/07/2011-...eed-for-more-evidence-and-u-s-accountability/
Anyway, Hugzy if you're actually interested in getting a clearer idea of the whole Sex Trafficking Crusade story and the real and harmful effects it has on both sex workers and trafficking victims, this blog has an incredible amount of information and links.
Google "The naked anthropologist" and read up - she's written a book and has been blogging for a few years so it's got tons of info about all of this. No, it's not specific to the SA but the SA IS part of the "rescue industry", with your dollars and not mine. The SA is most definitely guilty of the same exaggeration, misrepresentation and sometimes outright fabrication of "facts" that are repeated about sex trafficking. They are just as responsible for the harmful effects of the policies that result from all the misinformation.
I'm not going to spoon feed it to you. It's a really complex issue and problem and it would take me hours. Susi explained it and I'm giving you the means to look it up yourself now. If you're interested, you'll look into it and if you're not, that's your choice but don't expect a debate if you don't bother to do some leg work yourself first.
These articles also gives an idea of some of the problems:
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/9843/
http://www.fpif.org/articles/sex_trafficking_the_abolitionist_fallacy
http://www.villagevoice.com/2011-03...etwork-sex-trafficking-study-is-junk-science/
“The Social Construction of Sex Trafficking: Ideology and Institutionalization of a Moral Crusade,” by Ronald Weitzer
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I don't know if you realized this but that links to an article written by another one of those quacks/abolitionists. After declaring himself an "expert", he's one of those actually making a career and money from book sales and probably speaking engagements.
http://www.endmoderndayslavery.ca/invisible-chains-2/about-the-author/
You might remember him for his participation in closing down the ERS section on CL and his scary predictions of massive sex trafficking for the olympics - which of course never materialized. He's quite the douchebag and he's made no secret of the fact that he doesn't give a shit if or how what he advocates for harms sex workers. Anyway, he also promotes the Swedish/Nordic model and is dying to prosecute all of you perverts so watch out. lol
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/columnists/story.html?id=a0ed05d9-8027-4993-81b1-b7254d870ce4
http://ubyssey.ca/news/professor-attacks-craigslist-over-erotic-ads/
http://c2cjournal.ca/2010/10/prosecute-the-walmart-of-child-sex-traffickingcraigslist/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2010/10/20/edmonton-craigslist-prostitution-ads.html
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/swedens-fix-jail-the-johns/article1735817/
Unsurprisingly, his latest op-ed is titled "The governments omnibus crime bill is not draconian"
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...ernments-omnibus-crime-bill-is-not-draconian/
Google "The naked anthropologist" and read up - she's written a book and has been blogging for a few years so it's got tons of info about all of this. No, it's not specific to the SA but the SA IS part of the "rescue industry", with your dollars and not mine. The SA is most definitely guilty of the same exaggeration, misrepresentation and sometimes outright fabrication of "facts" that are repeated about sex trafficking. They are just as responsible for the harmful effects of the policies that result from all the misinformation.
I'm not going to spoon feed it to you. It's a really complex issue and problem and it would take me hours. Susi explained it and I'm giving you the means to look it up yourself now. If you're interested, you'll look into it and if you're not, that's your choice but don't expect a debate if you don't bother to do some leg work yourself first.
These articles also gives an idea of some of the problems:
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/9843/
http://www.fpif.org/articles/sex_trafficking_the_abolitionist_fallacy
http://www.villagevoice.com/2011-03...etwork-sex-trafficking-study-is-junk-science/
“The Social Construction of Sex Trafficking: Ideology and Institutionalization of a Moral Crusade,” by Ronald Weitzer
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I don't know if you realized this but that links to an article written by another one of those quacks/abolitionists. After declaring himself an "expert", he's one of those actually making a career and money from book sales and probably speaking engagements.
http://www.endmoderndayslavery.ca/invisible-chains-2/about-the-author/
You might remember him for his participation in closing down the ERS section on CL and his scary predictions of massive sex trafficking for the olympics - which of course never materialized. He's quite the douchebag and he's made no secret of the fact that he doesn't give a shit if or how what he advocates for harms sex workers. Anyway, he also promotes the Swedish/Nordic model and is dying to prosecute all of you perverts so watch out. lol
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/columnists/story.html?id=a0ed05d9-8027-4993-81b1-b7254d870ce4
http://ubyssey.ca/news/professor-attacks-craigslist-over-erotic-ads/
http://c2cjournal.ca/2010/10/prosecute-the-walmart-of-child-sex-traffickingcraigslist/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2010/10/20/edmonton-craigslist-prostitution-ads.html
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/swedens-fix-jail-the-johns/article1735817/
Unsurprisingly, his latest op-ed is titled "The governments omnibus crime bill is not draconian"
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...ernments-omnibus-crime-bill-is-not-draconian/
great post miss b!!!
bull about the KNOW what is happening, the only way to know what is happening is through research and actually talking to workers. here is the outline for our plan that is currently being discussed by sex workers across canada along with what THEY know will work for our community. it includes how we feel we can end exploitation without all the distruptive and disasterous harms caused by the "raid and rescue" police violence of the past... how does arresting someone, humiliating them help anyone? the sally ann can own the violence they in part helped to cause and they can own the lies they told to cause it.
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