My fellow liberals - please don't donate to the Salvation Army

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luvsdaty

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You know what they say, any publicity is good publicity :rolleyes: I'm not a Christian, i don't follow any organized religion.However i do respect every bodies right to follow what ever religion they choose(not really my business)Some folks are just filled with hate, for what ever reason.I say if you want to follow the OP's advice, fill your boots.If you want to tell her to mind her own damn business, that's fine to.
 

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I think that this thread has gotten out of hand here. Do any of you bashing and attacking Emmy know her personally? You people are judging her on her views values and beleifs. We all have different values and beleifs. She states that outside of SA there are other types of charitable places and organizations that do charity work. So she does not agree with SA's values and mission. So be it, do you all have to be so nasty and disrespectful to her.
Is that not judging a person judging them on what they believe in their values. She has right to her views and what she feels strongly about we do not have to agree with her but call her names and bashing her down. Look at her history she is a caring and compassionate person. I am sure she does donate and give to charities of her choice. We should not be so quick to judge.

These are her values and beliefs respect it and her. I do not agree with it myself, I will give to all organizations that help others and I could careless what the organizations rules and values are as long as they are doing good for others.

Totally disrespectful....I am ashamed at all this bashing. Don't ever judge people because they have a difference in opinion, do not judge people you do not know personally, or what they are about. We do not have to agree but we need to respect. That is it here. And some here call themselves good people well show it then. She did not say she does not care she did not say oh those poor disadvantaged people who cares. She does not agree with donating to the SA, she has different views on Mother Theresa...she is entitled to that.

I am a very friendly caring and compassionate person, I do not agree with her views and I am entitled to that, but I am not going to attack her on it. Geez. Be nice people and it comes back at you many times over.
Question:

Is it ok to bash a charitable organization like the SA and encourage boycotting a group that does so much good, and suggesting that people that don't must be "anti-women" and against human rights?

But its not ok to do the same thing against an SP (bash her and encourage boycotting her) because we disagree with her views?
 

*emmanuelle

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Melina,

Instead of attacking me personally, why don't you attack my points?

Why don't you give me some facts, arguments or statistics that actually prove me wrong, instead of just throwing around insults?

I am not attacking Mother Teresa as a person. As I mentioned, my gripe with her is specifically that she campaigned heavily and successfully to deny women's rights (in this case, access to contraception), thus propagating the cycle of poverty, overpopulation and the subjugation & illiteracy of women in India. All in the name of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

I think that's a terrible thing. Don't you think it's terrible? Or do you still think I'm the terrible one for pointing it out?

I'd love to hear what you know specifically about Mother Teresa that counters what I have written in terms of her suppression of women's rights.

Aaaaaaand go!

 

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the Mods haven't shut it down because it was an "Adult Conversation" Lets keep it that way.
Very true, I have been keeping an eye on this thread and have already banned one handle for trolling. If this gets out of control I can assure those involved that there will be administrative action.
 

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Fuck Mother Theresa and anyone like her.
Well HankQuinlan, you've finally shown every one what I've known all along from your posting history.

A hateful remark of that magnitude would only be made by the very few.

You obviously disagree with Mother Theresa's religion.....but to say "Fuck Mother Theresa and anyone like her" is no less disparaging (and I think a lot more) than to decree a hateful string of adjectives to any race, nationality, sexual orientation etc.

The comment posted is so despicable that I'm sure you're glad to hide behind the anonymity that your IP connection affords....because I think there are more than a few people here who wish you made that remark in-person.
 

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hi, Mod.
I think yo may wanna jump in the thread soon.
This thread is out of control as Angie said, and I don't think Emmy deserve people attacking her without knowing her much.
She may have said things that bother people; however, she was only addressing the issue to those who has similar views wth her.
She did not attack specific viewpoint of anyone, but was only problematizing some aspect of Sally Anne.

If you are God' child, fine with me.
If you think you "care" people more than others and that makes you special, all power to you.

But attacking someone personally instead of someone's arguement is not acceptable, I believe.
Constructive criticism is suggested.
 

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If I had to find out, and agree, with every single policy, of every single organization I've helped over the years, I don't have enough time for all that research, and my piggy bank would be way more full than it is now. Each organization has its own long list of mandates and I think people tend to discover an area that they're impressed with, and go with their feelings about that area.

I have known people who received a great deal of help from SA with their drug & alcohol recovery. Do I know much else about the organization? No. But I still support them because of the success of my friends. Does it concern me that the SA might have policies that I don't fully agree with? Not overly...
 

luvsdaty

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Religion has descriminated against race,pretty sure jews & muslims won't be exchanging x-mas cards this year.Christians have been trying to assimilate us brown people for years{is that not a form of descrimination)?.
I'd say mother Theresa is fair game,but surely we can come up with a better argument than 'fuck mother Theresa'?I read the above links & sounds like people trying to sell there own agendas(especially when large sums of money are involved).Even Penn & Teller(they are entertainers & there job is to entertain the masses in exchange for money) & the best or most controversial way of entertaining people is to bring up religion.
That's not to say that only religious people are the only assholes on this planet.About all you can do is educate yourself & donate to wherever you feel the donation will do the most good(& isn't that what this thread was originally about)? I donate a % of my earnings to a variety of charities, but that's my business, so i don't tell friends or aquaintances who i donate to,or even that i make donations.
 

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I think it should be shut down as well...Mods this should be shut down. That is my say you can jump on me I am fine with that. Have a happy saturday everyone.
Just noticing something rather curious here, Miss CA...you're suggesting that the Mods shut down the thread, now that you've had the last (540) word(s)? That's rather handy...
 

luvsdaty

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People are gonna believe what they wanna believe,& no rational discussion will change that persons beliefs(yelling at them won't do it either)I look in the mirror every day & judge myself.I try to be a good human being(i don't film bum fights or mistreat animals) Giving makes me feel good, but it's a very personnel thing for me.So i just try & mind my own business & not preach to people & try to convince people to donate to something that i feel strongly about.Charity is a multi billion dollar industry,that being said your gonna see abuse of that money.The only way that your ever gonna get 100% of your money going to those less fortunate is to go out & pick a person & say'what do you need'?
 

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People are gonna believe what they wanna believe,& no rational discussion will change that persons beliefs(yelling at them won't do it either)I look in the mirror every day & judge myself.I try to be a good human being(i don't film bum fights or mistreat animals) Giving makes me feel good, but it's a very personnel thing for me.So i just try & mind my own business & not preach to people & try to convince people to donate to something that i feel strongly about.Charity is a multi billion dollar industry,that being said your gonna see abuse of that money.The only way that your ever gonna get 100% of your money going to those less fortunate is to go out & pick a person & say'what do you need'?
Well said...

One December, I put a $10 bill inside a pamphlet about Vancouver support services, and I gave it to someone who was begging in the cold.

Another December, a friend bought a box of 25 pairs of earrings from a Department store, and 25 little gift boxes from a Dollar store. She re-packaged everything and took them to a youth shelter downtown for the Christmas stockings of their residents.

Shall we start a different thread about what kinds of things people have done to assist the less fortunate?
 

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i just want to say the sally ann are responsible for harming sex workers directly through their anti trafficking campaign and even went as far as to kidnap sex workers for their own good or to "rescue" them in australia, yes kidnapp in the words of members of the scarlette alliance.

here was our response; http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=121544121963&v=info#!/group.php?gid=121544121963

we met with them, they dismissed us, they are totally ignorant in terms of blindly moving forward actions even though they are in direct conflict with recommended approaches for supporting people who have experienced human trafficking.

i do understnad that they are one of the only front line groups in canada and are connected with alot of the homeless shelters etc but don't be fooled, they are taking huge wages and are not accountable in anyway, they are a church and as such do not have to open their books for scrutiny.

the benjamin perrin human trafficking event alone brings in $80,000.00..... enough money to kepp all 3 frontline sex worker organizations open for a year.

the sally ann claimed to be " building a house for human trafficking victims", when in fact it was some beds in part of one of their half way houses where men fresh out of prison and with multiple barriers (addiction mental illness)also live in direct conflict with the way survivors are supposed to receive support.

but they fund raise away, lying to the public about their activities and intentions.

go ahead and give to the sally ann, they won't be getting one dime from me.

if people want to do something amazing, give to one of the sex workers organziations. that way the money will actually reach the front line where people need it.

PACE Society, PEERS Vancouver and WISH drop in center society could all use immediate finacial support, peers especially, they maybe forced to close theor doors due to cut backs, the only exiting program in the lower mainland....mainland bc for that matter

i know its hard to imagine such an iconic organization actually causing harm, but they are. and i have to also agree with the labour code and human rights violation piece, many of the faith based organizations in the east end are the same. i remember the franciscan sisters were the worst, treating their employees like slaves, no raises, no benefits...one guy worked there for 13 years without ever receieving a raise ($9.00 an hour) and when he was fired for questioning their labour practices had to take them to court for them to see what they had done....even then they refused to acknolwedge wht they did was wrong as if people should be greatful to be paid at all....

anyway, once again, please feel free to donate to whom ever you like but just because we think an organization is beyond good, it may in fact not be the case.

incidently, they also support the nordic model of criminalize the client believing all of you are rapist, pervert pedophiles looking for little girls vagina's to purchas....ya..... they lobby for it as well.

so really, do you want to give money to a group who would see you imprisoned and your life ruined because you needed a little companionship....? and who use sex workers pain and suffering as a fundraising tool?

love susieXXXO
 

luvsdaty

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As long as large sums of money are involved, your gonna get abuse.Like i said giving makes me feel good.I often wonder if it's because it's the easy thing to do?Just make my donation & say well I've done all i can do, what more do you want? I tend to want to get personally involved in something when animals are involved,or children are involved.....I don't know it's hard to explain...Sometimes i have a hard time feeling empathy for folks that make poor choices in life,at the same time i think it's awesome when somebody turns there life around & contributes to society. I've had friends & family deal with alcohol & drug abuse & it's very rare that that person can do it on there own.That's where all these 'evil' organizations come into the equation.Because most of us don't want to get involved or don't have the time. Where all to busy trying to live our own lives,so we take the easy way out & donate to our favourite charity.
 

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Emmy why don't you take this one step further and actually organize a protest. You could assign a couple of your "liberal" friends to each kettle and physically block anyone attempting to make a donation. The people manning the kettle's are usually old or recovered addicts so they probably wouldn't put up much of a fight. You could call it "occupy the Salvation Army kettles".
 

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I wonder what would happen if.... one hooker was standing on a street corner and a gentleman comes up to her and asks how much and for what. The gentleman and the hooker are starting to walk off together when....... "CLoMP CLoMP CLOMP" ...another hooker rushes up to them and proclaims to the gentleman that his money isnt going to where it should go! So then the gentleman walks off with the second hooker......

I wonder if there would be a catfight?
 

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We all have our own ideas about what is right and wrong, be it individuals or organizations. We also have the right to decide who we support and why. My only problem with the OP is being told I shouldn't support a particular charity because they believe and support issues she doesn't. I know that the Sally Ann does some good work and that I will support, and I can do that without supporting their beliefs or causes. So folks lets not be so negative as we go into the Christmas Season, save it for after the New Year when the bills start to arrive.

 

*emmanuelle

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How about instead of attacking them you actually go out and do something to change the world.

Go out and change the world, feed the homeless, help those in need ... I do it every day, maybe you should too.

Your using what you learn in school thats great to see you applying yourself, maybe you should go out and get some hands on training in the real world and get some street smarts.
So you "change the world" and I don't? That's an extremely ignorant thing to say.

You have no idea who I am or what I do with my time and money.

A bit of a knee-jerk reaction on my part, but here's me just last month buying and delivering school supplies to an isolated community in the third world (not my first time, either)

 

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Well HankQuinlan, you've finally shown every one what I've known all along from your posting history.

A hateful remark of that magnitude would only be made by the very few.

You obviously disagree with Mother Theresa's religion.....but to say "Fuck Mother Theresa and anyone like her" is no less disparaging (and I think a lot more) than to decree a hateful string of adjectives to any race, nationality, sexual orientation etc.

The comment posted is so despicable that I'm sure you're glad to hide behind the anonymity that your IP connection affords....because I think there are more than a few people here who wish you made that remark in-person.
Sometimes I do like to stir the pot. Being raised by devout Baptists has no doubt coloured the vociferousness of my feelings about religion. And the personal attacks on Emmy for a perfectly reasonable opinion definitely raised my ire.

There are a great many good organizations that are not hampered by a religious world view, and many times political advocacy is far more effective at reducing harm than "charity." What was more effective at reducing misery during the industrial revolution? Work houses and orphanages, or passing laws to eliminate child labour?

What would have been more effective at reducing poverty in India than Mother Theresa taking in unwed mothers as a charity? Maybe encouraging women to take control of their own destinies, and encouraging birth control and family planning on a national level -- instead of actively opposing such ideas? Just saying.

I spent two years of my life volunteering in a desperately poor third world country, working with local groups to extend and equip a school. (Not that it was a hardship; I look back at it as one of the best times of my life.) But I have put my effort into my beliefs. Have you?
 

lenny

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your GF's panties
I guess i'll throw a loonie or two in the Sally Ann exiting the liquor store. Why not,
since i got Maxwell House on sale for only 2.99 at London Drugs today.

My other 30k or so in donations will go to Thai girls ravaged by floods this year.
I don't support the ladyboys, but know LAG & InHisBum will pull up the slack there.

On that note, since this word should be the bottom [pun intended] line, the mods
should now immediately close this thread.

BTW, good discussion.
 
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