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Must of been built by the low bidder, Bridge Fails

johnsmit

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Some one miss calculated the amount .those cables contract in cold weather ..
Especially -30 or more

But once again it shows how isolated people can get in this country ..that is the only road that conection across Canada. Fuck that is pathetic for being in the 21 century
 

DB Cooper57

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They only just opened it last month after years of construction, I've been over it a couple of times and I had a feeling something was not right with the deck! In fact I crossed it this morning, a few hours before it failed! It's pathetic that all freight is bottle necked over one bridge.
 

westwoody

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That is a major disaster.
Since it didn't happen in Toronto nobody will notice.
Nipigon is really in the middle of nowhere. If you are stranded there you are really fucked. All I remember is one Timmy's and a couple of gas stations. And nowhere to go for a long way east or west.
A lot of truckers used to go through the US, cheaper gas and less distance. US customs are too much trouble nowadays.
 

maniacalone

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Is it just me, or is the phrase, "don't build them like they used too." becoming more and more common. It's even noticeable around here. For example. The 200st/hwy 1 interchange needed repairs virtually the day it was opened. And the bridge just south of #10 hwy/ pacific hwy. Was gutted and redone.
Golden Years bridge was built ahead of schedule and done properly. That was completed by Germans I believe. :)
 

DB Cooper57

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That is a major disaster.
Since it didn't happen in Toronto nobody will notice.
Nipigon is really in the middle of nowhere. If you are stranded there you are really fucked. All I remember is one Timmy's and a couple of gas stations. And nowhere to go for a long way east or west.
A lot of truckers used to go through the US, cheaper gas and less distance. US customs are too much trouble nowadays.
People in southern Ontario will notice when there beef gets more expensive, most of it comes from western Canada now it will have to be imported from the US. A .70 cent dollar will make that expensive!
 

FreeG

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Is it just me, or is the phrase, "don't build them like they used too." becoming more and more common. It's even noticeable around here. For example. The 200st/hwy 1 interchange needed repairs virtually the day it was opened. And the bridge just south of #10 hwy/ pacific hwy. Was gutted and redone.
I dont disagree. I think the reason is multi-fold: designs were sometimes more conservative because of a lesser understanding of metals, fatigue, etc. The business focus may have been different (recommend "The Puritan Gift" for a strong argument on this). Today, we have a better understanding of material properties, combined with push for economy (which sometimes falls short). But NO excuse for this - modeling a bridge through its range of environments, incl "100 year conditions", is the basics!
 

westwoody

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Let's see who pays for the repair.
The builder that fucked up or the taxpayer?
Did the builder have any inside track with government connections?
Will anyone ever be held accountable?
A lot of this bullshit goes on in Winnipeg and nobody seems to be held to account. It makes me puke.
 

sdw

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It stated the bolts gave way. So either the bolts were bad or what the bolts were attached to was not thick enough.
The bolts shouldn't be engineered to take up shear loads anyway. If the engineering that determines the hang of the deck on the cables results in shear loads on the bolts, the bolts are going to shear. That prevents the twisting torsion from twisting the entire deck which would mean that they would have to demolish the entire thing and start over.

They are going to have to replace the cables with cables that make the deck hang where it should be. The expansion plates at the entry and exit of the deck are what takes up contraction and expansion of the cables. Right now, at least in the pictures, the deck is not hanging level. That can only be solved with correctly engineered cables.

In a way, they are fortunate. They do have the unfinished and unused side to put into service while they fix the failed side. But the highway is going to be closed for a while.

I just took another look at the pictures. They may be very, very lucky. It actually looks like the deck is hanging level. It looks like the exit ramp (if I have the directions correct) is the problem. Having the bolts shear is like winning the lottery. If the bolts hadn't performed properly, they would have to replace the deck. They have to redesign the bearings, the expansion joints and the levels of the exit and entry ramps - but they probably could have traffic on the bridge in a week, if what I see in the pictures is all that is wrong.
 

sdw

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CTV is reporting that a single lane has been opened to convoy vehicles across the bridge. So, the deck is okay. They wouldn't be putting moving loads on the deck if they were unsure of it's safety.

CTV also has a witness statement from when the bolts sheared. He says the bridge "jumped" into the air. That must have been something to see as the bolts all sheared at the same time. The bolts shearing is why the deck is okay.

I'm betting that the Engineers that designed the bridge and the company that built the bridge are all high fiving themselves with relief. Unlike the road contractor responsible for the approach and exit ramps.
 

encarsia

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Golden Years bridge was built ahead of schedule and done properly. That was completed by Germans I believe. :)
god no there is all kinds of flaws in that bridge on the langley side was placed wrong and cracked has to be epoxied to prevent premature failure. Plus lots of other issues
 

VancityDivas

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It's funny. We the tax payers foot the bill so why go with the cheapest bid. When it comes to 10s of Millions then another couple hundred thousand or million shouldn't make or break things for going with the better bidder. At the end of the day we'll be paying those tolls the same
 

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westwoody

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Can anyone imagine if there was ONE bridge across the Mississippi and it failed leaving the United States split in two?

And here we have a crappy little two lane bridge that fails and Canada is panicking. Time for a backup I think.
 

sdw

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Can anyone imagine if there was ONE bridge across the Mississippi and it failed leaving the United States split in two?

And here we have a crappy little two lane bridge that fails and Canada is panicking. Time for a backup I think.
The problem is that you'd have to go even further north. The highway goes around the great lakes. Canada doesn't have any land to the south of the Great lakes for a lot of the distance. I suppose there could be a ferry.
 

summerbreeze

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The bolts shouldn't be engineered to take up shear loads anyway. If the engineering that determines the hang of the deck on the cables results in shear loads on the bolts, the bolts are going to shear. That prevents the twisting torsion from twisting the entire deck which would mean that they would have to demolish the entire thing and start over.

They are going to have to replace the cables with cables that make the deck hang where it should be. The expansion plates at the entry and exit of the deck are what takes up contraction and expansion of the cables. Right now, at least in the pictures, the deck is not hanging level. That can only be solved with correctly engineered cables.

In a way, they are fortunate. They do have the unfinished and unused side to put into service while they fix the failed side. But the highway is going to be closed for a while.

I just took another look at the pictures. They may be very, very lucky. It actually looks like the deck is hanging level. It looks like the exit ramp (if I have the directions correct) is the problem. Having the bolts shear is like winning the lottery. If the bolts hadn't performed properly, they would have to replace the deck. They have to redesign the bearings, the expansion joints and the levels of the exit and entry ramps - but they probably could have traffic on the bridge in a week, if what I see in the pictures is all that is wrong.

in many cases a failure like this is that the bolts fail one after another vs bearing load equally and simultaneously

sounds like a combination of thermal contraction stress at the interface combined with uneven loading (possibly torsional or twisting) to produce individual spot loads on bolts which failed one after another

likely design flaw or engineering failed to properly inspect construction specs, in any case the specialty failure analysis engineering firms get brought in to study and recommend fix and new standards so it doesn't happen again
 
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