Islam doesnt allow killing of random people.
Jihad doesnt only mean holy war. in most cases it means to strive against ur bad side and become a good person.
Muslims Are The New Blacks
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Jihad doesnt only mean holy war. in most cases it means to strive against ur bad side and become a good person.
Booyah! Nina, this is why I like you! You know of Pat Condell too? Yeah, I don't care for any religion that tries to force itself on me, whether Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, whatever. Keep it in church is all I say, and there are enough terrorists from any religion. They're all terrorist-breeding machines, though it does seem that the most in vogue terrorism-invoking religion (North Ireland and the nationalists, anyone?) at the moment is Islam, I'm no fan of the Catholic church or any other cooky institution!
The one point I disagree with Pat on is that I think it's okay to believe in God and be spiritual and all, just keep it private and don't tell other people how to live their lives and what to do in bed! Hell, if it were up to Harpo and the CA/reform douchebags, none of us would be here on this website! They are ideologues too!
"whatisthis" re the meaning of jihad: There are at least five main schools of thought in the Muslim world regarding interpretation of Sharia law. I say that because the Muslim religion itself does not have just one fundamental interpretation of the Koran. The term "Jihad" does mean, as you indicate, challenging and wrestling with oneself, a kind of internal war allowing one to distill the best characteristics within oneself. But it also means, according to another widespread interpretation, challenging and overccoming and converting and/or dominating the (external) enemy. The "external enemy" would be all non-Muslims. The Prophet Mohammed began his career by murdering (wiping out) a tribe of neighbouring Jewish people who lived in Arabia. Civilizations built on Muslim principles such as the Moors in Spain and the great Persian Empire have been moribund for centuries. That is to say, as a collective (as opposed to certain individuals), the Muslim world has added little or nothing to mankind in the past seven or eight hundred years and, indeed, one can say it has detracted. Not only the West but most mideastern and other Muslim dominated countries are faced with the challenge from these fundamentalists who have resorted to, and made strategic use of, terrorism in order to meet their goals. These political goals, incidentally, are based on a fundamentalist interpretation of the Koran. Religion and politics cannot be separated.
I heard an interview with former Pakistani ISI chief Hamad Gul who use to work with the CIA, M6, and Mossad. His take on Afghanistan is that the U.S. has botched the whole operation. People are not being told the truth about what is going on, nor the reasons why we are there. He says that the former U.S. private security company Blackwater is now working there under the name Aviation World Wide Services along with other so called security companies amounting to a total of 2,000 private security people overseeing what has been in his words," turning order out of chaos" by bombing hospitals and innocent woman and children knowing that their will be revenge seeked by the men who have a long standing policy of a blood honoured debt system that when people in their family are killed they will seek revenge to kill the infidels, or die trying.
So we might want to be careful about who we label as terrorist without looking at who is behind it, and what are the causes.
So we might want to be careful about who we label as terrorist without looking at who is behind it, and what are the causes.
Nina is 100% right in saying that muslims allow other muslims to perpetuate terrorist acts and radical views.
If a person came into my church and said "lets kill innocent people" I would be getting up and kicking that person out of my church.
I find it very offensive when muslims play the "we are not terrorists/our religion is a peaceful loving one", its just such bull shit.
Over the last 10 years how many people have been killed by terrorists acts carried out by muslims vs terrorists acts carried out by any other religion?
Any religion or culture where people allow the horrible treatment of women that takes place in muslim countries to carry on is not a group of humans.
If a person came into my church and said "lets kill innocent people" I would be getting up and kicking that person out of my church.
I find it very offensive when muslims play the "we are not terrorists/our religion is a peaceful loving one", its just such bull shit.
Over the last 10 years how many people have been killed by terrorists acts carried out by muslims vs terrorists acts carried out by any other religion?
Any religion or culture where people allow the horrible treatment of women that takes place in muslim countries to carry on is not a group of humans.
The Afghanis appear to be a people with their own set of ethics and values which are not fully comprehensible to outsiders. The Afghanis fought against Alexander the Great and his marauding Macedonian army. They were not defeated. They fought the invading Russians to a standstill until the Russian army had to leave. We (the western armies) cannot seem to make much headway there either. Will the Taliban take over once we depart? I don't know but obviously the Afghani people should not be taken lightly. For those who, like me, enjoy historical novels, I would recommend Steven Pressfield. He has written two novels about Afghanistan during the time of Alexander the Great. One is entitled the Afghani Campaign. Pressfield really appears to distill the culture of the Afghanis and makes one aware of how different their thinking and actions are as compared to we in the Judeo-Christian West.
Incidentally, thanks to all contributors on this board on this important subject re Muslims whether or not I agree with you. Many discussions end up in name calling and disparagement of those one disagrees with. I know that I am sometimes guilty of this too. But here on this post the discussion has been amicable yet the opinions have diverged considerably.
Incidentally, thanks to all contributors on this board on this important subject re Muslims whether or not I agree with you. Many discussions end up in name calling and disparagement of those one disagrees with. I know that I am sometimes guilty of this too. But here on this post the discussion has been amicable yet the opinions have diverged considerably.
Just saying...
HERE'S THE TEST:
1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by:
a. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
d. A Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40
2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davey Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens , and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
12. In 2002, the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
14. And now we can add: In 2009, 31 people wounded and 13 American Soldiers murdered on base at Fort Hood by a Major that was known as...
a: You guessed it - A Muslim male extremist between the age of 17 and 40.
No, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you? So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winner and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone lest they be guilty of profiling.
HERE'S THE TEST:
1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by:
a. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
d. A Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40
2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by:
a. Olga Corbett
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davey Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens , and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
12. In 2002, the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40
14. And now we can add: In 2009, 31 people wounded and 13 American Soldiers murdered on base at Fort Hood by a Major that was known as...
a: You guessed it - A Muslim male extremist between the age of 17 and 40.
No, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you? So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people. They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winner and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone lest they be guilty of profiling.
A significant number of Palestinians are Christian. Including Arafat's wife.
The PLO was an umbrella organization for a number of factions. Arafat's group was Fatah. It's rivals within the 'umbrella' were the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) led by George Habash, a Christian.
Some people are under the mistaken impression that Palestinians and Arabs are all Muslim.
In any case, the point I was making in my previous post wasn't specifically about his beliefs, but the fact that the previous poster noted acts of terror, but instead of analyzing why these acts took place, (geopolitical repercussions of foreign policies), but instead took the easy way out by simply trying to note that the people had the same belief system.
The simplest minds look for the simplest answers.
The PLO was an umbrella organization for a number of factions. Arafat's group was Fatah. It's rivals within the 'umbrella' were the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) led by George Habash, a Christian.
Some people are under the mistaken impression that Palestinians and Arabs are all Muslim.
In any case, the point I was making in my previous post wasn't specifically about his beliefs, but the fact that the previous poster noted acts of terror, but instead of analyzing why these acts took place, (geopolitical repercussions of foreign policies), but instead took the easy way out by simply trying to note that the people had the same belief system.
The simplest minds look for the simplest answers.
