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MSOG vs PSOG: are your SPs clear about the difference?

tantalizeme

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So I'm doing this sweet tight 20-yr-old in mish, and wouldn't you know—barely 5 min into it I feel an orgasm come on. Doesn't usually happen this soon; she's not even that hot—but I guess the forbidden-fruit appeal of her teenybopper appearance triggers me prematurely.

Given that there's 140$ at stake, and multiple shots are pretty iffy in those low-end AMPs, I stop myself just in time and pull out immediately, to check the condom.

She sees a bit of white goo inside the tip of the condom. She observes me roll on a fresh condom (a few accidents taught me never to continue with a partially filled condom). Suddenly I hear her ask sharply, as if she had every right to know: "Did you come??"

Wow. This puts me in a bit of a dilemma. On the one hand, there's no denying I experienced a PSOG—a partial shot on goal; I often have 1 or 2 partial ejaculations during a session before finally blowing the rest of my load. On the other hand, I certainly didn't have a full-fledged orgasm, just a twitch or two announcing the onset of one, which I managed to cut short.

I'm by nature a truth-loving guy, but the truth here's a bit more complicated than yes or no. The thought crosses my mind that I might say something along these lines: "You know, honey, 'coming' for a men isn't necessarily all or nothing. In fact, 'coming' is normally a combination of orgasm and ejaculation, but it's quite possible to have an ejaculation without orgasm, or an orgasm without ejaculation—and what I just had was the mere beginning of an orgasm accompanied by partial ejaculation."

But then I wonder if she would comprehend. Her limited English isn't the only problem; some of those young Asians give me the feeling they know as much about the workings of a cock as I know about the intricacies of crocheting.

So rather than giving her a crash course on male sexuality I decide to answer her query with an emphatic "NO, NO, I DIDN'T COME." Anything less definite would probably be misinterpreted as a YES—and I sense an invitation to MSOG isn't a done deal with this particular lady.

I've never quite understood, frankly, why MSOG can't be taken for granted if there's lots of time left and the guy is so inclined. From an SP's point of view, what's the difference between a pooner who likes to come the first time within 5 min and then, after a brief rest, gives it another go for 15 more min, and a pooner who likes to come just once after 20 min without risking a boring and possibly motivation-zapping refractory period?
 
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susi

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
i think it's a natural thing to cum twice, it's nature's way of making sure that the cum get's in there and therefore more likelihood of impregnation!

i do 2 different things in these situations;

first i offer an full hour session which includes msog

second i offer a 30 min session which although is 1 shot on goal, i keep at a reasonable rate so the boys don't feel "burned". that's not to say i rush the session as there are many ways to prolong orgasm...:eek:

just remember, it's healthy to cum and really i think it's natural to cum at least twice.

in this stressful world though( which can impact drive) i also think that if you take your time and prolong the first shot, ultimately that can be more satisfying than if you cum fast once and then try again without finishing...:(

remember when you're tired and stressed it will impact the "quick draw" of youth so make the first one a good one!lol

also, you can jerk off before going into an appointment to take the edge off, i like to call it the rusty load!!
just don't do it too close to your appointment because that too can diminish your experience, lead to frustration and result in not finishing.

love susieXXXO
 

tantalizeme

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How prevalent is a no-MSOG policy—and why?

it's healthy to cum and really i think it's natural to cum at least twice.

in this stressful world though( which can impact drive) i also think that if you take your time and prolong the first shot, ultimately that can be more satisfying than if you cum fast once and then try again without finishing...:(
Wow Susie—great points; you definitely understand guys and want us to leave satisfied, rather than get it over with as quickly as possible.

I appreciate that lots of SPs are probably worried a 2nd round would be more prolonged and intense and perhaps risk rubbing them raw...Is that your experience?

But even if, for this reason, an SP wants to disallow MSOG or charge extra—I think it's important for her not to confuse PSOGs with MSOG. It's not only that doing so would really annoy PSOG-prone guys like me and leave us frustrated as hell. It's also that an SP with a no-MSOG policy who won't let a guy continue after a partial ejaculation just motivates him to hush this up by not pulling out to replace the condom—which easily leads to ejaculatory fluid oozing out or the condom slipping off.:eek:

That leaves the problem of how an SP can tell the difference between MSOG & PSOG. Probably the only way is that, in a partial shot on goal, there's generally no subsiding of the erection, whereas in a full ejaculation there'll probably be a period of detumescence for most men—but even that's not always the case.
 

FunSugarDaddy

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I'm under the impression you pay for the time spent with an SP and that within the limits set, it's basically your time. So if she offers FS than by rights you should be able to engage in FS for as long as you want..that seems reasonable to me.
 

FortunateOne

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I think the reluctance re: msog is because of the sps experience is that #2 doesn't always work out, but he'll die trying rather than admit it, leading to overtime and mutual frustration. She gets accused of rushing, or cutting it short (altho it is beyond the paid for time), & he goes overtime without compensating her for this plus he doesn't get off the 2nd time.

Those who are realistic about their capacity and either choose one time, or get #1 out of the way really early into the session will have a much more fun and satisfying experience. However, the illusion of msog being common and expected is what probably leads some sps to not offer it, offer it with some reluctance, or to charge extra.They are anticipating the overtime and the possible futility of it all.

Automatic msog is a pretty recent phenomenon. Ssog and out the door when it happens is still done today because that is what used to be the normal way of things. You see this in mps & in indys that have been around longer than the last 2 years lol.

And this term PSOG, while amusing, is probably a bit too subtle a difference for most sps to know or care to know about. It wouldn't be she knows about it, and chooses to take advantage to cut the session short. Her reality is most likely the guy wants the msog not offered, and won't admit that he came once already. Sps see a lot more men than the men see sps, they know all their tricks and games; this experience & history makes it more difficult for the sincere & honest client, unfortunately.
 
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wilde

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So if she offers FS than by rights you should be able to engage in FS for as long as you want..that seems reasonable to me.
You are not seriously suggesting that if an appointment is for 1 hr the pooner has the right to pump the SP non-stop for the full hour, are you? I'm sorry but that does not sound reasonable at all and it makes you look like a nickel and dime kind of guy contrary to your lovely handle.

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MrPeterNorth

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I've never heard of a partial shot on goal... that is hilarious. Either you ejaculate, or you don't.

It's all about being reasonable. If you blow under 20 minutes into an hour session, I think unless otherwise desired, a 2nd shot should be attempted. Just don't blow at the 40+ mark and then ask for MSOG, it's common sense.
 

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When I first started working full service included sex and a blow job, cumming more than once was extra money, toy show was extra money, going down on a girl, everything besides easy quick osog was extra money, lol. I never even heard of bbbj as an expected thing til about 6 months ago. No body kissed, we were all so vanilla, lol. Until today I never heard of psog either.

I think yes you are paying her your hard earned cash for an hour of her time, but last time I checked we were not all assembly line robots. A full hour of sex while to you may seem totally reasonable, could be a lot of work to some girls and easy to others. Not every girl does this for the love of sex, not every girl does this strictly for the money, even some girls that are sex addicts could still get a sore pussy and irritated with you for taking too long.

You should never expect the same service from every girl. Asking questions never hurts either. Personally I will offer msog to some and not to others, depends on the guy and how sweet he is. So many men lie to us, that if we offer osog and it looks like you came, then you came, if you are a psog guy, then make sure you see some one that offers msog or at least 2 sog. :)
 

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You are not seriously suggesting that if an appointment is for 1 hr the pooner has the right to pump the SP non-stop for the full hour, are you? I'm sorry but that does not sound reasonable at all and it makes you look like a nickel and dime kind of guy contrary to your lovely handle.

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Why the fuck not? Any other profession that you pay for by the hour you expect them to work for the entire hour. When i hire a plumber to come fix my toilet am i supposed to chat with him fr half an hour, let him work for half and pay him for the full hour? Same applies for my lawyer, mechanic, carpenter and the guy that cuts my fucking grass!
 

FunSugarDaddy

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You are not seriously suggesting that if an appointment is for 1 hr the pooner has the right to pump the SP non-stop for the full hour, are you? I'm sorry but that does not sound reasonable at all and it makes you look like a nickel and dime kind of guy contrary to your lovely handle.

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I'm seriously suggesting it takes as long as it takes and my primarly purpose in seeing an SP isn't to socialize. And although that is an added bonus, it's a secondary priority.
 

wilde

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Why the fuck not? Any other profession that you pay for by the hour you expect them to work for the entire hour. When i hire a plumber to come fix my toilet am i supposed to chat with him fr half an hour, let him work for half and pay him for the full hour? Same applies for my lawyer, mechanic, carpenter and the guy that cuts my fucking grass!
Let's say you hire a plumber to fix your toilet. His minimum charge is an hour. He fixes your toilet in 45 mins. So are you telling me you would keep said plumber in your house just because you paid for an hour?

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interesting topic: partial orgasms...because I notice that older men can accomplish an orgasm without an erection, or ejaculation, and apparently a man can train himself to do this.

A book I once read on the subject of the management of erectile dysfunction, (this book was geared for older couples), talked about how men, as they age, need to experience different ways of achieving pleasure; too often the 'erection' is considered the only tool in achieving an orgasm (lil pun there), when actually the penis is sensitive to sensations in its flaccid state.

The book showed techniques on how the couple can stimulate each other and enjoy rewarding and intimate sex. I think the book encouraged men to accept a less dominant role in the loveplay, and learn about the erogenous zones outside the genital area!

I wonder if men are typically erect when they orgasm in their dreams? That would be an interesting study!
 

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You are not seriously suggesting that if an appointment is for 1 hr the pooner has the right to pump the SP non-stop for the full hour, are you? I'm sorry but that does not sound reasonable at all and it makes you look like a nickel and dime kind of guy contrary to your lovely handle.

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HELL YEAH!
I'm gonna pump her like Gravitas with a new plastic pussy!



I think yes you are paying her your hard earned cash for an hour of her time, but last time I checked we were not all assembly line robots. A full hour of sex while to you may seem totally reasonable, could be a lot of work to some girls and easy to others. Not every girl does this for the love of sex, not every girl does this strictly for the money, even some girls that are sex addicts could still get a sore pussy and irritated with you for taking too long.

You should never expect the same service from every girl. Asking questions never hurts either. Personally I will offer msog to some and not to others, depends on the guy and how sweet he is. So many men lie to us, that if we offer osog and it looks like you came, then you came, if you are a psog guy, then make sure you see some one that offers msog or at least 2 sog. :)
Trust me babe - if I cum, you'll know it!

And if I pay for an hour you can bet your sweet little ass I'm gonna spend it practicing my pole in the vault or putting my ham in the wallet or Mr. Pokey in the dokey or layin some pipe or parkin the jeep in the garage.

It works like this sweetie -
I pay
U play!

At my option you may be allowed to moan, scream etc. while I explore your nether regions but you have to ask permission first!

Lemme know when you wanna have me service you!

Why the fuck not? Any other profession that you pay for by the hour you expect them to work for the entire hour. When i hire a plumber to come fix my toilet am i supposed to chat with him fr half an hour, let him work for half and pay him for the full hour? Same applies for my lawyer, mechanic, carpenter and the guy that cuts my fucking grass!
You tell em man!

Let's say you hire a plumber to fix your toilet. His minimum charge is an hour. He fixes your toilet in 45 mins. So are you telling me you would keep said plumber in your house just because you paid for an hour?

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Depends on how much crack the dude has.

Crack kills man!
 
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Krustee

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Interesting view, however you are paying for time and that time includes for no extra cost, social time, which is conversation, lol. Also not included in the session is treating me like a hooker:D
Social Time?
?

How about social sex?

Treating you like a hooker? um...
pardon me but -
ain't you a hooker?

Take yer pick of definition:

hook·er - Pronunciation Key - [hook-er]
–noun
  • 1. a person or thing that hooks.
  • 2. Slang. prostitute.
  • 3. Slang. a large drink of liquor.
  • 4. Slang. a concealed problem, flaw, or drawback; a catch.
  • 5. Rugby. a player who hooks the ball in the front line of scrummage.
  • 6. (initial capital letter) Offensive. an Amish Mennonite.
 

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Social Time?
?

How about social sex?

Treating you like a hooker? um...
pardon me but -
ain't you a hooker?

Take yer pick of definition:

hook·er - Pronunciation Key - [hook-er]
–noun
  • 1. a person or thing that hooks.
  • 2. Slang. prostitute.
  • 3. Slang. a large drink of liquor.
  • 4. Slang. a concealed problem, flaw, or drawback; a catch.
  • 5. Rugby. a player who hooks the ball in the front line of scrummage.
  • 6. (initial capital letter) Offensive. an Amish Mennonite.

No reason to be rude though, no matter what name you want to call it. I am all kinds of things. While someone may pay me for sex, very few men actually just pay me for sex. I completely disagree with the mentality that you can do whatever you want because you paid her. The body and mind still belong to her, not you, just because you paid.
 

HB40

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I wonder if men are typically erect when they orgasm in their dreams? That would be an interesting study!
I think we are...I'm normally dreaming I have the biggest erection ever but still get frustrated, I can't even get laid in my dreams lol.
Usually I wake up with it in my hands, and it's still the same size as always. :(
My dreams were much more 'fruitful' before I started meeting girls socially.

If I want MSOG I make that clear at the beginning of the session, it takes me some time to get back up so it's best if we get to work right away. :)
 

susi

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
Social Time?
?

How about social sex?

Treating you like a hooker? um...
pardon me but -
ain't you a hooker?

Take yer pick of definition:

hook·er - Pronunciation Key - [hook-er]
–noun
  • 1. a person or thing that hooks.
  • 2. Slang. prostitute.
  • 3. Slang. a large drink of liquor.
  • 4. Slang. a concealed problem, flaw, or drawback; a catch.
  • 5. Rugby. a player who hooks the ball in the front line of scrummage.
  • 6. (initial capital letter) Offensive. an Amish Mennonite.
i love rugby!!give me a hooker and a couple of props any day!!scrum down boys~~~~:p
 
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I also remember the day when you would never even ask to kiss or go down on an SP. It just wasn't done. And certainly once you shot the game was finished.

I think for guys who tend to shoot their first round quickly (within the first few minutes) it is reasonable to allow another shot. To expect to pound the shit out of an SP for 60 minutes because you paid for an hour of time is just being cheap and not respectful.
 

HeMadeMeDoIt

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I ]expect[/B] to pound the shit out of an SP for 60 minutes because you paid for an hour of time is just being cheap and not respectful.
What the fuck was i thinking? I pay a hooker $300/hr and I'm supposed to be allowed to pound her for the whole time....what a cheapskate I am. Not only do I have a low opinion of women to pay them for sex but I even expect to "pound" them for the entire session I paid for.

Once I sign off perb I'm going to contact all the clients that I consult for and tell them that its disrespectful of them to expect me to work for the entire hour that I bill. I am therefore going to work for 20 minutes and bill for the whole hour. If anyone asks I'll tell them that Wilde and The Guy said so.

GIVE YOUR HEADS A SHAKE
 
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