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More women than men seem judgmental of pooning—WHY?

tantalizeme

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Today's 24HOURS newspaper features an article, entitled "Women at risk: Activists", about an upcoming Vancouver conference of anti-prostitution advocates. They're concerned about Vancouver becoming a "magnet for international prostitution and trafficked women in the lead up to the 2010 Olympics."

Now I think an influx of overseas SPs is largely a good thing, for both us pooners and most "trafficked" women who'd otherwise be stuck dirt-poor or starving in an Asian slum. But all the people quoted in the article portray sex-buying in an ignorantly unsympathetic way. And they ALL happen to be women.

In fact, I've noticed this before, when talking about my pooning hobby: overall, women are more judgmental than men. Wonder why that is. Three possibilities cross my mind:

1. Few women can really identify with two facts about male reality: the intense urgency of many men's sexual cravings and the tremendous shortage of attractive and willing female partners—two facts which can lead to an explosive level of potentially destructive frustration.

2. Some women know or sense that the humdrum "relationship sex” they offer is likely to be far worse than the sex their partners could buy; and they don't want to be held to high sexual standards or face the constant threat that their man will otherwise seek out an SP.

3. Many women deeply resent—perhaps at a subconscious level—the reduction in their own sexual bargaining power due to men's relatively easy access to commercial sex. It makes men less dependent on any particular woman's favors, perhaps less willing to get or stay married out of neediness and lack of options, and certainly less prone to commit to self-sacrificial monogamy in the face of lousy sex at home.

These, I tend to think, are the main reasons for women's widespread opposition to prostitution—and their concern about the level of abuse experienced by SPs is largely a smokescreen.
 

susi

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
When we delve into history a bit we find references to the sex industry all through out recorded time; Always kept separate, always a distinct and secretive culture, men's culture. Square women don't know how we live , so fear us. A difficult revelation about recent history is that women in fact are responsible for a lot of the stigma sex industry community member live with today. In 1917 when women received the vote in the War Time Election Act one of the first actions influenced by their vote was the implementation of prohibition. All the things that represent male culture; drugs, alcohol, gambling and sex were all made illegal. Unfortunately for sex industry workers that made us as people illegal.

During this time sex workers (and men) were put into asylums under the guise that they were somehow mentally ill thus their immoral behavior. This attack on sex workers in particular female sex workers by other women resulted in great pain and in some cases death for the workers affected. These women went as far as to create an ad campaign depicting sex workers as evil and as the vectors of disease. Their campaign of speeches, posters and radio spots was so broad and far reaching that this stigma exists to this day. We can see in the high numbers of women reportedly attacking sex industry community members and in the way feminist abolitionist groups still promote sex industry workers as victims, helpless, crazy and unable to defend or look after our selves.

We can also see it the way they promote the hatred of men. when you volunteer for rape relief they tell you straight out that they are a political organization and that they believe ALL men are potential rapists.they also promote sex workers as so "raped" we don't know what we're doing and "of course we think we like our jobs. we're crazy!"

to me this is sexual discrimination on a level never experienced by women (except sex workers who happen to be women). men are cast as pervert, pedophile, rapists and sex workers who cavort with men are traitors to women.

i can only say that it is a fund raising tactic and i am directly involved in the 2010 impacts study sub committee in partnership with police,sex worker support agencies, sex workers, consumers...and i can tell you that what is emerging is completely opposite to what they are saying and the sex worker community have actually expressed concerns over the upcoming Olympic Games and the impact that will have on their ability to make money.

Sex workers believe that Olympic visitors are not really a sex consumer group and expect that the economic stability we have experienced during the lead up the games has largely been because of the international construction work force employed to meet the construction deadlines. Once construction is complete we believe we will experience an economic crash.

This combined with anticipated increases in enforcement during the games has the sex worker community worried about how we will make ends meet.

rape relief are not government funded, they are too extreme and do not adhere to accepted principles of research and are accountable to no one but themselves. all i can sya is tell every person you know, not to support hem,volunteer there, listen to them or show them any quarter. do not justify there actions. these women threw me out of a conference on prostitution where no sex workers were present!they suck!

try to remember, poverty pimps are every where. these people pay their mortages, put their kids through school,drive 2 cars and benefit from all the social capitol they gain from "saving sex workers from the pervert rapists"

don't buy into the bullshit, these people don't have a clue.
you are not a pervert rapist...you are a beautiful erect tallywaging dong...
i mean...mmm....pork chopper...dammit i'm hungry again!!!:p

seriously though, most of us i'm sure would agree that we appreciate our clients and view them as friends. i have a deep respect for the men who cum here:p , i mean it
the experience of knowing you all has defined who i am and i love you guys...
so...FERGET ABOUT IT!!!XXXO

love susieXXXO
(fuck the feminazi's)
 

AA_Train

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This story (although I personally haven't read it) sounds like a bunch of insecure woman looking for a way to make themselves feel more attractive and relevant. They want to believe these women are victims (and might actually believe so) to feel superior. I bet if they met women like VV and Nina Leone, they'd probably change their view. There is definitely an ugly side to the sex trade but it seems their acting on stereotypes, misconceptions and insecurity. It seems that most women believe that they can use sex as a weapon and most men don't have the balls to curve the barrel around so they ride along, although most guys I know would probably see an SP if so much shame wasn't attached to it.

Although tantalizeme, I do disagree with you that relationship sex can be humdrum and that a civilian woman has less sexual skills than an SP. The key is to find a woman who wants to make it work. Although in Van City, that is like finding a needle in a haystack.
 

mimi

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feminazi

I love that word!!

Suzi, that is a great post! I have experienced the rebuking eyebrows and restraining comments of these women. I have been a sexually provocative woman since I was 14, when I first realized that tantalizing power that a woman's actions have over a man...

when I was in my 20's and working with some lesbian women, whom I really dearly liked, I found myself under such scrutiny and pressure to change my clothing and my physical posturing etc...until I was very uncomfortable...they seemed to think they were more intelligent than everyone else...

and when one of them found out I was escorting....HOLY SHIT!...you'd think I'd been drafted into some satanic cult! They wanted me to believe that I was the victim! Meanwhile, I'm having regular sex and making a pocketful of change and being treated like a princess without having to get married...well scratch yer head! I was a feminist too! I could strip a carburetor and put it together from scratch...build anything...great forklift driver...loads of very masculine talents, I just looked like "Daisy Hazard" when I was doing them...and that really pissed these woman off...blatant sexuality...

were they all molested?
 

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I really can't see how a meeting between consensual adults can be any other people's problem. If money were taken out of the picture, it would suddenly be all right? There is no logic to it.

To those people (more women than men) who can't leave us alone:

- the human trafficking argument is not convincing (the root cause of human trafficking is NOT prostitution. If you want to solve a problem, directly deal with the root cause);

- are you insecure and/or dependent women who have a lot to lose if your male partners decide to do anything not in your interest?

- guess what, women who use/withhold their sexuality to manipulate some unfortunate men will lose their power suddenly if better sex can be sought easily and consistenly, even at a cost;

- IT'S IMMORAL... NOT! Why do you think your sense of morality is superior and feel the need to force it onto those whose values are different from yours? We can't 'corrupt' the society ethos. Society doesn't really exist; only individuals do. No one is forcing you to participate or watch or pay for any of the activities. And people in this business probably do much better in terms of disease prevention than those who sleep around without protection;

- last but not least, should single people not be allowed to have sex if they don't want to have ONS, FWB, BF/GF? That's pretty cruel...
 

tantalizeme

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Why women attack sex work

It's certainly my experience that those attacking others for offering—or seeking—erotic services are most often women.

I think some of the anger felt by females is because they blame/feel men are the source of their problems...Men are the enemy & I suspect the fact that SP's that "sell" to men are the enemy because it gives the male satisfaction.
Totally agree, dood. Traditional and feminist women are strongly at loggerheads on so many issues—why then are they usually in cahoots in their attacks on prostitution? I'd guess conservative women fear that escort sex undermines a partner's commitment to monogamy, and they'd like him to spend his money on the family rather than escorts. And I suspect feminist women resent the fact that escort sex gives their male enemies pleasure when they would like to bring us down to their own level of malcontentment.

feminazi I love that word!!... I have experienced the rebuking eyebrows and restraining comments of these women. I have been a sexually provocative woman since I was 14, when I first realized that tantalizing power that a woman's actions have over a man...and when one of them found out I was escorting....HOLY SHIT!...you'd think I'd been drafted into some satanic cult!
Thanks for sharing, mimi. I'm trying to imagine what's it's like to be ostracized by a bunch of frumpy malehaters—to be the cocklover among prudes, the swan among ugly ducklings. Must have been really hard; kudos for not buckling under!

These feminazis wouldn't happen to look like this no? http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/ugly-people-498.htm I can see the source of their anger...
I'm not sure whether I should laugh or cry about these photos; ugliness can be a harsh fate. The fact that many women aren't attractive but escorts generally are—I wonder how big a role this plays in creating the negative social climate around sex work. Sexual frustration certainly fuels all sorts of destructive impulses among men. And similarly, frustration over missing out on the benefits of sexual power must unleash all sorts of resentful impulses among unattractive women. This resentment becomes no doubt a potent political force which contributes to keeping anti-prostitution laws and attitudes in place.
 

CODe333

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Human trafficking (especially when it takes the form of sexual slavery), like any crime against persons, is a horrendous atrocity, and those who do it or make profits from it should be held accountable. That, I think, is a no-brainer. But if we ask the question about why it is wrong we need to move beyond the understandable and intense emotions associated with this crime to ask rationally what element in human trafficking it is that makes it wrong. Surely it is the coercive and involuntary nature of recruitment, and the violence that enforces the practice and forces enslaved individuals to assume involuntary risks, that makes it abhorrent. Nina and Susi have chosen of their own free will to offer their bodies for the pleasure of others in return for financial rewards. They both seem to also really enjoy what they do. Anyone who has a problem with that must be willing to overlook at least two important facts: their actions are voluntary and they deem the associated risks as acceptable given what they stand to gain. Their clients too, I assume, are seeking their services freely and deem the risks reasonable. I suspect that at least some of the women whose views are expressed in the anti-prostitution article have seen firsthand the horrors of sexual trafficking and are entirely sincere in their proposals. Any meaningful social policy needs to be informed by voices from all concerned parties, including both the victims of human trafficking and those, like Susi and Nina, who produce social good through sexual services. Alas, moral panic always seems to derail rational discourse where sexual matters are concerned. Nina and Susi will have to shout very loud to be heard. Even then many women will be deeply troubled by what they say and consider it unduly subversive of their interests. Gven the current climate it's hardly surprising.
 

susi

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
:eek: I"M SHOUTING A LOUD AS I CAN!!!!OVER HERE YOU FEMINAZI"S!!!MEET ME BY THE SEESAW!!!AT RECESS!!!:eek:

lol, those women are so hateful i've stopped attending their events.partially because i get thrown out and am not allowed to talk but more because it hurts my heart...it takes me days to recover,i shake, have bad dreams,freak out at the pub, have fits of explosive rage...i hate it, it's not me.

more and more though i think people are cluing in to how crazy and violent these women are. people seem to realize that the "ostrich" approach is not working. they are their own worst enemies and all this fear mongering will get them in the end is the loss of all their credibility.:cool:

so let them rant!meanwhile we'll start stabilizing the industry and taking control of our situation. by the time they realize what's happened it'll be too late!:p

love susieXXXO
 

CODe333

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:eek: I"M SHOUTING A LOUD AS I CAN!!!!OVER HERE YOU FEMINAZI"S!!!MEET ME BY THE SEESAW!!!AT RECESS!!!:eek:
Let me turn up my hearing aid so you don't hafta yell! :p Yes the feminazis are a species I know well from 8 years of university and having worked several times in a setting where they played a key roll in adminstration. I'm not sure why it's often the extremist wing of a movement that so often becomes the leadership and voice of organizations.


lol, those women are so hateful i've stopped attending their events.partially because i get thrown out and am not allowed to talk but more because it hurts my heart...it takes me days to recover,i shake, have bad dreams,freak out at the pub, have fits of explosive rage...i hate it, it's not me.
There is a cost sometimes to speaking out. Your opponents no doubt hope you'll just get too tired, give up and go away. The countervailing value of your actions may seem ineffective but is likely a part of what holds the fanatics at bay enough to keep them from getting an even larger piece of the political pie. I hope your personal recreation activities help you to rebuild your strength, etc. I was once a member of the christian taliban and can attest that some people do change, that the countervailing messages does sometimes find an unlikely audience. Your organizing and education activities are important even when they are seemingy ignored. That's my 2 cents worth!


Sorry for getting off topic but as I was reading this thread it just struck me in some way.
 
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