Montreal teacher fired for showing class alleged gory body-parts video

tokugawa

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The teacher made a horrible inexcusable decision yet for some reason I feel sorry for this guy! This will obviously be on his record for the rest of his career. Meanwhile, he has a wife and newborn child to take care of.

Original Article: Montreal teacher fired for showing class alleged gory body-parts video

Globe and Mail:

A Montreal high school teacher was fired Thursday for showing a Grade 10 class what is believed to be the video of the infamous body-parts killing.

The school board issued a statement saying the 29-year-old teacher, who was under contract until the end of the school year, was terminated — effective immediately.

The teacher at Cavelier-De LaSalle High School showed the video on June 4, apparently at the urging of students in his history-and-civics class.

Students said that during a discussion of current events, and the Magnotta case, they had asked him to show the video and he apparently relented after they voted 22 to 3 in favour of watching it.

Widely available on the Internet, the video allegedly depicts Luka Rocco Magnotta killing, dismembering, and committing horrific acts Concordia University student Lin Jun. Its contents are so disturbing that even veteran police investigators have been rattled while viewing it.

The teacher has been suspended with pay since June 4 and he offered his description of the events to the school board on Wednesday.

One day later, the board made its announcement. It said it took a number of factors into account including the seriousness of the gesture and the impact on the students involved.

“The unacceptable nature of the action by the teacher demanded an unequivocal response,” school board president Diane Lamarche-Venne said in a statement.

Many students had defended the popular young teacher. Earlier Thursday, several held a rally around lunchtime. The student body has created a petition calling for his reinstatement.

He has been described as a longtime volunteer, a hockey coach, and as someone students could always turn to if they needed to discuss problems inside or outside the classroom. He recently had a baby.

One student told The Canadian Press that the popular teacher made a mistake and should be allowed to return to his job — a view apparently held by many others at the school.

Before the announcement Thursday, Chloe Silvano had said she hoped he might keep his job.

“I will be sad (if he’s dismissed) because he’s the best teacher in the school,” said Ms. Silvano. “Everyone finds he’s a good teacher and everyone loves him...

“He’s always there for us, listening to us when we need to talk... He’s funny and we love him.”

But not everyone held the view that he should be allowed to return. Another student agreed he should have been fired for his lapse in judgment.

“He’s a great teacher, but what he did was wrong,” said Brittany Henriques. “So firing him is the ideal thing to do.”

Ms. Henriques agreed the students are not completely innocent in all this.

“The teacher is at fault completely, but so are the students.” Ms. Henriques said. “They knew this was a real murder, they knew what was going on and they begged for it (to be shown).”

Students in the class said the incident began during a chat about current events — which is how the history-and-citizenship class often begins. Many students had already seen the video on their own.

A video circulating on the Internet — called “1 Lunatic, 1 Ice Pick” — is believed by authorities to show the 33-year-old Mr. Lin being murdered in Montreal several weeks ago.

It shows someone stabbing a man and dismembering him. It then shows the killer committing acts of sex and what appears to be cannibalism on parts of the corpse.

What disappointed Ms. Henriques was that the majority of the students wanted to see the video — and that none of them stood up to say no.

“It’s horrible, disrespectful and disgusting to me,” said Ms. Henriques, who was not in the class and has not seen the video.

“Never would I disrespect someone’s family like that. I find it disgusting. It brings me to tears to think about it.”

Ms. Henriques says students did the right thing by eventually telling school authorities.

Both the teacher and students will be offered counselling to deal with the stressful events of recent days.
 
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emilioa4

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I would agree with the dismissal as well. that was inappropriate for the teacher to allow this video to be shown, let alone allow himself to be influenced by a class vote on the matter. what possible educational value or lesson could be learned from watching a video like that? there is already enough sensation and discriptions provided by the media to be well informed of this event without the need to see the video. what the kids do on their private time is out of the schools control, but in that classroom, the teacher needs to be a model of educational and societal standards. lets not forget, these kids were grade 10, I mean how old could they be? 15-16?? come on this is a murder / deconstruction of a corpse video........these kids need some innocence restored in them. too much of shock value, wonder why people are becoming the way they are.
 

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This teacher is stupid, everyone knows that if teenagers want something on the net, they can download stuff in 2 mins. He just wanted to scare some of the girls.

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westcoast555

That act alone shows an utter lack of judgement and discretion. Sorry, he deserved to be fired. What the fuck was he thinking?
 

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Teenagers need fewer "friends' and more teachers and parents in their lives.
 

emilioa4

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exactly. There needs to be more structure in a young persons life. They are at a very impressionable stage and if everyone, meaning parents teachers or anyone in a position of authority, continually pretend to be "friends" with these kids, how will they ever grow up respecting authority or have the understanding that authority or higher postions of trust/earnings are earned not demanded. Yeah they all want to explore themselves, but they still need a model of influence and a leash from respectable powers (parents and teachers again) to keep them in check. It becomes that much harder to crack down when shit hits the fan when dealing with "friends" rather than when the person knows ok, im gonna get shit from my superior (for lack of a better word I appologize) it sometimes makes them think twice before commiting whatever deed. I always thought twice sometimes before doing stupid shit like man my parents are gonna kill me or someones gonna kick my ass for this. there was that structure in my life and despite my complaining about it at the time, I am grateful for it.
 

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Definitely one of those 'what the fuck was I thinking?' moments for that dude. Ah well, he can always go get a job on the rigs and make triple the cash.

Anyone see the video? Pretty nasty, but I've seen way worse. Surprised to hear the cops were all bent out of shape after watching it. I guess they don't use the intertube all that much. Kids have seen it all by now. Yawn.
 

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Definitely one of those 'what the fuck was I thinking?' moments for that dude. Ah well, he can always go get a job on the rigs and make triple the cash.

Anyone see the video? Pretty nasty, but I've seen way worse. Surprised to hear the cops were all bent out of shape after watching it. I guess they don't use the intertube all that much. Kids have seen it all by now. Yawn.
I didn't see it. I don't think I could watch it knowing it was real.
 

emilioa4

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Definitely one of those 'what the fuck was I thinking?' moments for that dude. Ah well, he can always go get a job on the rigs and make triple the cash.

Anyone see the video? Pretty nasty, but I've seen way worse. Surprised to hear the cops were all bent out of shape after watching it. I guess they don't use the intertube all that much. Kids have seen it all by now. Yawn.
this is exactly whats wrong though...... its the "yawn" part. yeah maybe you have seen worse, but why should that diminuish the severity of the event? thats where we need to step in and say hold on this is wrong. too many yawns and this is the kind of video that gets perpetuated. that teacher should have been scolding them for trying to demonstrate such callousness to a very serious crime.
 

deathreborn

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he would have been better off showing a porn video. at least then he could have tried to pass it off as sex education. showing this was just stupid. i breezed through bits and pieces of it. if you've never seen graphic death before it would turn your stomach. having been in the death business for awhile including time where i embalmed posted bodies, i'm numb to it.
 

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Anyone see the video? Pretty nasty, but I've seen way worse. Surprised to hear the cops were all bent out of shape after watching it. I guess they don't use the intertube all that much. Kids have seen it all by now. Yawn.
I didn't see the video, but I would have if I hadn't seen similar things before, such as: a guy getting his head cut off with a chainsaw while his drug pusher partner watched, and a Bosnian guy getting his head sawed off with a serrated hunting knife by a Serbian soldier as he screamed in pain. After those two, I figured that seeing anything else would just be more of the same sick stuff and nothing more can be learned from it.

Anyways, you're right, kids have seen it all by now because it's so accessible. It's not like the sites I downloaded those videos from even bothered to ask my age first.
 

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this is exactly whats wrong though...... its the "yawn" part. yeah maybe you have seen worse, but why should that diminuish the severity of the event? thats where we need to step in and say hold on this is wrong. too many yawns and this is the kind of video that gets perpetuated. that teacher should have been scolding them for trying to demonstrate such callousness to a very serious crime.
The yawn part is how I see the kids perceiving this - Total and utter desensitization. Now that they're on the open net by ten, I think we may have a huge problem on our hands. For fucks sake, the video games? I was watching my nephew get creative on how to butcher his opponents and it was/is truly alarming. I'm starting to think that they don't really see the difference between the game and the Magnotta video.

That being said, this dude is a fuckin nutter. You could show kids all sorts of horrendous shit, real or not, and the likelihood they're going to go out and do what he did for real should still be pretty low. I hope, anyway.
 

emilioa4

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Just to be clear I wasnt putting any blame on you, I understand the context of your statement. It is true though, this is the reaction of children to these events and it is/should be alarming. Why in the world should a child at the age of ten be desensitized?? If anything, we need more sensitivity in this world. And your right, perfect example is the video games, planning a butchering?? I know super mario doesnt offer much value as well, but why does a kid need to butcher something? that is exactly why they dont see the difference between reality and a game. I am talking in a rather exagerative manner, because I know the majority will not go out and do this, but the principle of teaching young people right from wrong and how to recognize that line and to stay within it I think has eroded.
 

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yellow journalism...

as far as i'm concerned the entire article is another piece of yellow journalism

Widely available on the Internet, the video allegedly depicts Luka Rocco Magnotta killing, dismembering, and committing horrific acts Concordia University student Lin Jun. Its contents are so disturbing that even veteran police investigators have been rattled while viewing it.
BULLSHIT!!

Both the teacher and students will be offered counselling to deal with the stressful events of recent days.
MORE BULLSHIT!!

the only mistake the teacher made was under-estimating the degree of public spittle-licking in which the school board was willing to indulge
 

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I think kids are far enough removed from reality as it is. Everything these days is processed and shrink-wrapped, whether it's hot dogs and sliced chicken from the grocery store, or some of the grimmer realities at work in the world today. Coming from six years in the army (and counting) I freely admit my bias against this tendency to insulate future generations against the uglier aspects of life. The reality of the world (and the Internet) today is that if you abdicate your responsibility as a parent to educate your children, you accept that they will be educated through other means, the terms of which you will be powerless to influence.

I don't advocate slipping a copy of GTA under little Timmy's door on the eve of his fifth birthday or instructing him on the finer points of bludgeoning a man to death, just so we're clear, but honestly, I don't think we give our kids enough credit either. I totally consider myself a member of the videogame generation, and the irony of my chosen vocation notwithstanding, I think, and my folks would agree, that I turned out all right.
 
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