Miss Shay
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My 2 cents
A little late to the mound, and haven't read the whole thread, but I think I can see what its all about. For some perspective, I am half east indian, half white.
I believe stereotypes exist for a reason. They came from somewhere, and are at least partially true. Yes most cab drivers in Vancouver are east indian, and obviously they speak their own languages. Wouldn't you if you went to a foreign country where you couldn't speak the language? These cab drivers may not be the cleanliest people, or the nicest, or even the most polite, but is that indicative of all east indians?
That said, I believe stereotypes are not racism. What is racism, is when you allow stereotypes to blur your vision. Of course, judge me, its a simple fact of life. I have no problem with that, but judge me after you meet me. Doing so before is racism.
Im going to share a little story with you guys. I lived in Atlanta for a few months where there is a large black population. You would not believe the amount of stereotypes and racism that floats around there. I was simply shocked.
Anyways, I was walking on the street downtown with a friend one day, and this black guy (probably homeless) comes up to me and says, "Give me your shirt!". I told him to fuck off obviously, but that sort of experience will change your perspective. However, while I did come to know many stereotypes, im not a sheep. Sure I learned why those stereotypes exist, but more importantly, I learned to also judge someone for who they are.
My self-confidence isn't the greatest, but imagine being rejected by an SP simply cause they don't like east-indians. That would be crushing. I respect them and their choices, all I ask is the same in return.
Just a question, does anyone actually believe that Miss Shay would come into this thread and not flat out deny her alleged statements?
And Miss Shay, im not saying that I agree with anything in this thread, but if taking Cabs upsets you so much, why not bike, take public transportation, get a driver? I know that this point has been made, but why expose yourself to such an environment if its going bring hate and racism into your life?
A little late to the mound, and haven't read the whole thread, but I think I can see what its all about. For some perspective, I am half east indian, half white.
I believe stereotypes exist for a reason. They came from somewhere, and are at least partially true. Yes most cab drivers in Vancouver are east indian, and obviously they speak their own languages. Wouldn't you if you went to a foreign country where you couldn't speak the language? These cab drivers may not be the cleanliest people, or the nicest, or even the most polite, but is that indicative of all east indians?
That said, I believe stereotypes are not racism. What is racism, is when you allow stereotypes to blur your vision. Of course, judge me, its a simple fact of life. I have no problem with that, but judge me after you meet me. Doing so before is racism.
Im going to share a little story with you guys. I lived in Atlanta for a few months where there is a large black population. You would not believe the amount of stereotypes and racism that floats around there. I was simply shocked.
Anyways, I was walking on the street downtown with a friend one day, and this black guy (probably homeless) comes up to me and says, "Give me your shirt!". I told him to fuck off obviously, but that sort of experience will change your perspective. However, while I did come to know many stereotypes, im not a sheep. Sure I learned why those stereotypes exist, but more importantly, I learned to also judge someone for who they are.
My self-confidence isn't the greatest, but imagine being rejected by an SP simply cause they don't like east-indians. That would be crushing. I respect them and their choices, all I ask is the same in return.
Just a question, does anyone actually believe that Miss Shay would come into this thread and not flat out deny her alleged statements?
And Miss Shay, im not saying that I agree with anything in this thread, but if taking Cabs upsets you so much, why not bike, take public transportation, get a driver? I know that this point has been made, but why expose yourself to such an environment if its going bring hate and racism into your life?
Most of those in this thread harping about "racism" wouldn't have a clue what racism really is.
Are you a "racist" because you go to a strip club and only let natural blonds sit in your lap there?
Are you a "sexist" because you only go to strip clubs where females are the only ones dancing naked?
Are you a "racist" because you post a personals ad online seeking only a black female (or male)?
Are you a "sexist" because you are doing the hiring for a women's athletic club and won't hire a male as the shower attendant?
Are you a "racist" because you post a question in the "411" section of PERB asking for recommendations for a "natural redhead"???
The answer to all of these is "no", obviously.
And no working girl who refuses to fuck any particular person or member of any random subset of society is necessarily a racist as a result. In most cases they are no more racist for those decisions than they are sexist for wanting to have sex only with men.
Are you a "racist" because you go to a strip club and only let natural blonds sit in your lap there?
Are you a "sexist" because you only go to strip clubs where females are the only ones dancing naked?
Are you a "racist" because you post a personals ad online seeking only a black female (or male)?
Are you a "sexist" because you are doing the hiring for a women's athletic club and won't hire a male as the shower attendant?
Are you a "racist" because you post a question in the "411" section of PERB asking for recommendations for a "natural redhead"???
The answer to all of these is "no", obviously.
And no working girl who refuses to fuck any particular person or member of any random subset of society is necessarily a racist as a result. In most cases they are no more racist for those decisions than they are sexist for wanting to have sex only with men.
Valoo, I don't have one single interest in meeting you, and you need to get it through your head that it isn't "racism" which drives that.
People like you are the source of this sort of misuse of the word "racism", and people like you are the reason why the word continues to pop-up whenever someone with a chip on his shoulder feels somehow slighted by the world.
There exists simply nobody who cares more about the color of your skin than you do, Valoo. Thus the importance of the color of your skin is a variable controlled entirely by you.
What?
You are right that I control the importance of my ethnicity, but I wasn't insulted or hurt by this thread in the least. I was trying to point out that a lot of people here are overreacting without saying just that. Notice how I didnt say I even thought this was racism once? Even if Miss Shay had said that she wouldnt see any East Indian clients, that is her choice and I wouldnt consider that racism by itself. Im not sure where the line is drawn, but you misinterpreted my post. It wasnt an attack.
I think the reason a lot of people look at this as racism is because they think of SP's as a transaction. Yes, businesses can refuse to serve you for any reason, but doing so because your black for instance would be considered racist. However, SP's are not simple businesses.
The comment about how it would be harmful to my self confidence if I got refused, thats completely true. Wouldn't it be the same for you in my place? For me its somewhere in the middle of asking a girl out, and paying for any other service. If a girl rejects me, brush myself off and move on, but if a business does, thats a little more hurtful.
And, i have no desire to meet you either. And its not cause of the color of your skin
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And miss shay, I never called you racist. I wouldn't be so rash, but I did ask why you put yourself in that position if you dislike it so much.
I think you missed the whole point of my post. It really had nothing to do with ME personally. I was using that statement to illustrate what I believe racism actually is. Don't condescend to me for something you clearly don't understand.
You are right that I control the importance of my ethnicity, but I wasn't insulted or hurt by this thread in the least. I was trying to point out that a lot of people here are overreacting without saying just that. Notice how I didnt say I even thought this was racism once? Even if Miss Shay had said that she wouldnt see any East Indian clients, that is her choice and I wouldnt consider that racism by itself. Im not sure where the line is drawn, but you misinterpreted my post. It wasnt an attack.
I think the reason a lot of people look at this as racism is because they think of SP's as a transaction. Yes, businesses can refuse to serve you for any reason, but doing so because your black for instance would be considered racist. However, SP's are not simple businesses.
The comment about how it would be harmful to my self confidence if I got refused, thats completely true. Wouldn't it be the same for you in my place? For me its somewhere in the middle of asking a girl out, and paying for any other service. If a girl rejects me, brush myself off and move on, but if a business does, thats a little more hurtful.
And, i have no desire to meet you either. And its not cause of the color of your skin
.And miss shay, I never called you racist. I wouldn't be so rash, but I did ask why you put yourself in that position if you dislike it so much.
She IS a local lady...she is in New West...Kate of katesplayground.com fame just too bad she isn't an sp lol..
Dude, you really need to work on the chip on your shoulder about the race thing...
We can feel it from way out here. IT, and not the color of your skin, is the problem.
Until then, why don't you go and try to get a job passing out towels in a girl's high school locker room, and then call them "sexist" if they don't hire you!!
See if you can grasp this concept on the first attempt:
"Women... can refuse to fuck you for any reason... (PERIOD!*)"
... and that is what got us into this whole business in the first place
(*which, in this case, can even BE one of the reasons)
