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Hey everyone, I have a question because I'm rather clueless when it comes to this field. When you see these adverts for asian girls, what are the chances that you have someone who is doing it because they want to versus someone being forced? I really like asian girls and would like to try one, but I'm worried about someone who is trafficked by a gang. Is this a big problem or are most there because they want to be? If they are white and from the "1st world", I'd have no second thoughts, because they can come and go as they please from this country and know all the laws, but with asians I'm hesitant.

Do "micros" mean "no choice" or is it more "they need someone to protect them" kind of like how strip clubs have guys who drive the girls home to protect them from jerk-wad wackos? I know most girls do this by choice, but I always take what I hear in the media a bit too far and freak out...

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Hey everyone, I have a question because I'm rather clueless when it comes to this field. When you see these adverts for asian girls, what are the chances that you have someone who is doing it because they want to versus someone being forced? I really like asian girls and would like to try one, but I'm worried about someone who is trafficked by a gang. Is this a big problem or are most there because they want to be? If they are white and from the "1st world", I'd have no second thoughts, because they can come and go as they please from this country and know all the laws, but with asians I'm hesitant.

Do "micros" mean "no choice" or is it more "they need someone to protect them" kind of like how strip clubs have guys who drive the girls home to protect them from jerk-wad wackos? I know most girls do this by choice, but I always take what I hear in the media a bit too far and freak out...

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If you can believe what people tell you, that they are indies or whatever, then dream on.

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Depends how you define traffick. They are brought here and work illegally, and that might imply they are unlikely to file reports and complaints if they are in trouble thru this work, but I doubt they arrive under duress. The micros do have rather unpleasant working conditions, and do put in long hours, and it is unlikely you will meet the person in the picture, but the only reason to choose micro vs indy is based on your preferences. If you are new, you may not like to go to a place that has more than just you and her alone in the apartment. Indys can offer you privacy. Indys receive the total amount paid, and micro sps will be passing 30% more or less to the people who provide their location, ads, and booking. That would be the same no matter what sort of mp, agency, etc you use, so that micros are no different from mps.

Your choice is what kind of experience do you want to get out of it, and what you prefer to see happen with the $$ spent. Micros are fine for guys with experience and are not so shy about these things, but if you don't think you can relax in a place with many people coming and going, waiting your turn for the sp or shower, etc, then try to find someone independent who meets your needs in a quiet place.
 

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When you see these adverts for asian girls, what are the chances that you have someone who is doing it because they want to versus someone being forced? I
Many of them are not happy to be in the business, however, most of them NOT being fored directly. They were 'forced' by the fact that they need cash (money drive), since many of them cannot find other jobs that earn as much. I don't think they are trafficked by gangs, however, many of them are illegal immigrants.

By the way, do you really belived someone who is "want to be" in the business? think again. I think even caucasian girls went in the business becuase of the money drive, not because they enjoy fucking you. If they enjoy the session as much as you do, then it would be a mutual deal rather than you paying them.
 

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In the last year I have had the good fortune to have 3 diferent Asian SP's visit me at my hotel during my stays there.

Each drove their own car and parked right outside my room. I have visited each of these at their own place also and each worked alone, no sign of pairs of male shoes, or other masculine attire in view. Nobody lurking in another room since there usually is not another room. Small places, but it does the job.

There seems to be an attitude on here (especially by the ladies ) to want to make all of us guys believe that the Asian women are being forced to do this work. Well, yes, they are being forced in just the same ways that the ladies in red here are forced. They like money, and they like to spend it. In that way, these Asian ladies are just like the other ladies who post on here.

Sure, there is no doubt that there could be some forced into this, but I suspect that in Vancouver area the number is very low.

Oh, and one last note. Each time one of these 3 left with my money and a smile on my face, I could not help thinking that I just made a substantial part of their next car payment. And, they each drove a car I could not afford.

So much for being forced.
 
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First, I think relativity is a big factor. 'Forced' is a liberal term, which can be argued.

But, on the other hand, we are all aware that the numbers tend to be staggeringly higher than those who actually get caught straight from the crate.

Bottom line, trafficking and/or pimping is a real thing, no matter skin color. To downplay it's existence doesn't serve any purpose. There is lots of money to be made...evil people capitalize on the misfortune of others.

In the last year I have had the good fortune to have 3 diferent Asian SP's visit me at my hotel during my stays there.

Each drove their own car and parked right outside my room. I have visited each of these at their own place also and each worked alone, no sign of pairs of male shoes, or other masculine attire in view. Nobody lurking in another room since there usually is not another room. Small places, but it does the job.

There seems to be an attitude on here (especially by the ladies ) to want to make all of us guys believe that the Asian women are being forced to do this work. Well, yes, they are being forced in just the same ways that the ladies in red here are forced. They like money, and they like to spend it. In that way, these Asian ladies are just like the other ladies who post on here.

Sure, there is no doubt that there could be some forced into this, but I suspect that in Vancouver area the number is very low.

Oh, and one last note. Each time one of these 3 left with my money and a smile on my face, I could not help thinking that I just made a substantial part of their next car payment. And, they each drove a car I could not afford.

So much for being forced.
 
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storm rider

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In the last year I have had the good fortune to have 3 diferent Asian SP's visit me at my hotel during my stays there.

Each drove their own car and parked right outside my room. I have visited each of these at their own place also and each worked alone, no sign of pairs of male shoes, or other masculine attire in view. Nobody lurking in another room since there usually is not another room. Small places, but it does the job.

There seems to be an attitude on here (especially by the ladies ) to want to make all of us guys believe that the Asian women are being forced to do this work. Well, yes, they are being forced in just the same ways that the ladies in red here are forced. They like money, and they like to spend it. In that way, these Asian ladies are just like the other ladies who post on here.

Sure, there is no doubt that there could be some forced into this, but I suspect that in Vancouver area the number is very low.

Oh, and one last note. Each time one of these 3 left with my money and a smile on my face, I could not help thinking that I just made a substantial part of their next car payment. And, they each drove a car I could not afford.

So much for being forced.
Very well said....you also missed othe facts of why these gals work in Micros...for some it is a means to save for an education....and for others it is to help out their family...one gal that visited Sugarland by the name of Cara set the record for a gal by staying 6 weeks and she was booked every day though she did take days off when she got tired and she developed a cult like following...I myself saw her 8 times and I know of a guy who saw her everyday for a 1 hour visit after he saw her the first time...he also brought her a dozen roses several times....she did the 1 tour in Canada and went back to Korea with enough money to buy her family a house...a very noble sentiment I will say.

As to why local indy's and MP's/agencies dislike the "micros"(both in Calgary and Vancouver) the simple fact of the matter is economics as well as not liking the competition with regards to the level of service....local indy's/MP's/agencies wont match prices of the micros and they sure as hell wont match the service level....so the easiest thing to do is spread malicious allegations such as "human trafficking" so as to try and tarnish the Micros.....which is something that pisses me off and just further sets in my mind that there are some real money grubbing caucasian gals out there that are just plain mean.

Just my .02

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Wow...

I have really different feelings about this.

I can't say for any one woman at a micro if she feels she is indy or not.

But how do you chalk up the 'illusion' of trafficking/pimping to be a caucasian woman's made-up lie to make more money and coerce clients.

That is repulsive. I don't get offended very often but your attitude makes me ill.

Especially for the women who ARE really suffering the affliction of mental bondage. I actually GET to make a choice.

Take a moment of silence for those who have DIED as a result of the mental bondage and physical abuse.

Your sentiment is exactly WHY I AM INDY. I would never put up with your derogatory approach to women.

Roses don't heal any such wound.

End rant. Breathe....

Very well said....you also missed othe facts of why these gals work in Micros...for some it is a means to save for an education....and for others it is to help out their family...one gal that visited Sugarland by the name of Cara set the record for a gal by staying 6 weeks and she was booked every day though she did take days off when she got tired and she developed a cult like following...I myself saw her 8 times and I know of a guy who saw her everyday for a 1 hour visit after he saw her the first time...he also brought her a dozen roses several times....she did the 1 tour in Canada and went back to Korea with enough money to buy her family a house...a very noble sentiment I will say.

As to why local indy's and MP's/agencies dislike the "micros"(both in Calgary and Vancouver) the simple fact of the matter is economics as well as not liking the competition with regards to the level of service....local indy's/MP's/agencies wont match prices of the micros and they sure as hell wont match the service level....so the easiest thing to do is spread malicious allegations such as "human trafficking" so as to try and tarnish the Micros.....which is something that pisses me off and just further sets in my mind that there are some real money grubbing caucasian gals out there that are just plain mean.
Just my .02

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Storm rider, I've never taken offense to you before.

I'm sorry I absorbed the scenario and got heated.

I'm not throwing blame at anyone that goes to Micros. Just that we need to acknowledge that pimping and trafficking is a very real reality for some. To deny their pain breaks my heart.

I hope you can rescind your ideal against Caucasian Indies. Some are evil and money-grubbing, but other than Bran** (whom I have never met, and will make no effort to), I don't personally know any. Please don't lump me into a category that I don't belong in.

For that matter, it's pretty hard to 'make-up' factual truth.
 

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Storm rider, I've never taken offense to you before.

I'm sorry I absorbed the scenario and got heated.

I'm not throwing blame at anyone that goes to Micros. Just that we need to acknowledge that pimping and trafficking is a very real reality for some. To deny their pain breaks my heart.

I hope you can rescind your ideal against Caucasian Indies. Some are evil and money-grubbing, but other than Bran** (whom I have never met, and will make no effort to), I don't personally know any. Please don't lump me into a category that I don't belong in.

For that matter, it's pretty hard to 'make-up' factual truth.
You have not taken offense to me as I dont live in Vancouver and thusly it does not matter....my statement was with regards to Sugarland in Calgary....a very high end Micro I frequent that the locals dislike for the reasons I stated....from my experience I imagine the same animosity exists in Vancouver between the indy's and the micros there...though I dont know what the service level is like in the Vancouver Micros as I have not partaken in it....and I doubt I will as I just plain hate Vancouver LOL

You have every right to voice your opinion with regards to what I post on any thread....though I will say if you ever utter the words "human trafficking" about Sugarland ...well I wont be polite at all.....

http://www.toronto-exotic-massage.com/article/Bust-at-Club-de-Lotto.pdf

The York Regional Police Drugs and Vice Enforcement Unit is seeking to identify and provide
assistance to further victims after an investigation revealed a massage parlour was operating as a
common bawdy house in the Town of Richmond Hill.
On Friday, July 2, 2010, members of the York Regional Police Drugs and Vice Enforcement Unit
executed a search warrant at Club De Lotto located at 9 East Wilmot Street. Inside the premise, 25
people were arrested in connection with an investigation that began in August 2009. This
investigation revealed that sexual acts were being performed in exchange for money at Club De Lotto
and that some of the females inside the spa were being forced to work under strict conditions.
Subsequent to these arrests, two additional search warrants were obtained and executed at
addresses on Upper Duke Crescent and Kennedy Road in the Town of Markham. At these residential
locations police seized a quantity of cash and documents in relation to the operation of Club De Lotto.
Included in the 25 arrests were four bawdy house keepers, 11 inmates and ten other people found
inside. Charges for each individual range from Human Trafficking, Extortion, Procuring to Have Sex,
Exercise Control, Material Benefit, Keep a Common Bawdy House, Live on the Avails of Prostitution,
Assault, Possession of Proceeds of Crime, Being an Inmate of a Common Bawdy House, Found In a
Common Bawdy House.


The news story:
http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2010/07/06/14622011.html

TORONTO — -
A Filipino nanny is at the centre of a human trafficking investigation unveiled by a bust on a popular Richmond Hill massage parlour over the weekend.
Eleven women were found inside Club De Lotto on East Wilmot St., near Leslie St. and Hwy. 7, after police busted through the doors Friday night, but only one of them gave a statement against the so-called pimps who police allege were running the show, York Regional Police vice Det. Thai Truong said Monday.

The woman arrived in Canada last year to work as a nanny, but soon realized she wasn't making enough to support her family and child in The Philippines, so she posted an ad on Kijiji offering to clean houses on the weekends, Truong said.

"She gets called by a guy who says basically, 'Hey, you wanna make money? There's more money in massage, come meet me,'" Truong said.

The woman, in her 20s, didn't realize sex acts would be involved, Truong said.

After working at that spa, which is still under investigation, she moved on to Club De Lotto "because another girl said that it's better over there," Truong said.

Instead, investigators allege she was forced to have sex with clients who she didn't want to service. On one occasion, when she refused to meet with a man known to be particularly "aggressive," she was grabbed by the throat and forced into the room, Truong alleged.

A similar assault story was told by a young Canadian woman who went to police Sunday night after hearing they had busted the place where she worked between December until April.

Truong described a "fine system" in which the women were allegedly forced to fork over extra money to "the house" if they were late for work or missed a day of work.

"They were feeding the girls a slice of bread and a can of pop (per day)," Truong said. "One of the girls said if you have a headache, you feel sick, you're on your period, they give you a Tylenol and tell you to keep working."

Apparent "living quarters" found inside the spa consisted of a "crammed" room with a mattress and blankets on the floor, Truong said. While none of the women said they lived at the spa, investigators believe they may have rested there between clients during 18-hour shifts.

The pair who gave statements to police described the man behind the alleged assaults as "just heartless," Truong said. The man, known by the women as Frank, also allegedly threatened to call the women's families with details of what they were doing if they didn't follow the "rules," Truong said.

During search warrants at the massage parlour and two Markham homes, police allegedly seized $30,000 in cash connected to the business.

Truong said the spa catered to mostly Asian men from across the Greater Toronto Area, many of whom paid membership fees.

Alleged sex acts weren't the only items on the menu — clients also enjoyed a sauna, whirlpool, television, food and legitimate massages, Truong said.

Given the spa has been in business for "at least 10 years," Truong said he fears there are countless women who were potentially victimized. He appealed to them to come forward.

"We have girls that have been courageous enough to do the right thing," he said. "We need those other girls to do the same thing."

Among the 25 people arrested when police busted through the spa's doors were three alleged pimps: Zhi Min "Frank" Xin, 46, the only person to be charged with human trafficking; Zi Gang "Gordon" Xin, 54, the alleged manager; and Jihon Siu, 51.

Ten clients were also found inside — one of whom was allegedly caught having sex with one of the women, Truong said.

Anyone with information about the case was asked to contact police at 1-866-876-5423 ext. 7640 or Crime Stoppers anonymously at 1-800-222-8477, 1800222tips.com, or by texting TIPYORK and your message to CRIMES.

This is the fourth human trafficking case for York Regional Police since the charge came into the Criminal Code in 2005.

The first case involved a 19-year-old Alberta woman who was forced to strip at a Mississauga hotel. Though the human trafficking charge disappeared with guilty pleas to other charges, the human trafficking was treated as an aggravating factor that led to a stiffer sentence.

The second case, involving the same victim from the first case, is still before the courts. Investigators allege the accused picked up the victim from a youth shelter the day after she escaped her first pimp before forcing her to prostitute.

In the third case, investigators alleged a man forced a woman to prostitute and help him commit crimes.

This news story saddens me Nina.....as it is the awful truth of what really is "human trafficking"...where gals who are far from their country of origin are forced into doing something they dont want to by unscrupulous dirtbags.....the threat of telling a Filopino gals family of such activities is like holding a knife to her throat....from the details of the police report I have no doubt about the place.....at the same time an isolated incident such as this is like a large paint brush that paints with broad strokes....it covers up both the miniscule bad parts as well as the micros that are staffed by gals that are eager and willing to work at a micro and make $120-$150 for 30 minutes VS working in the 1-4-1's of Hong Kong for far less....these gals for the most part are in Canada on student visa's to learn english....but when it comes down to it they are here to earn money....far more money than they can earn in their home countries.....and I myself think that is OK...as for dirtbags such as those that were charged in that police report I think those soul soliciting pig fuckers should be raked over the coals....there is a big difference between a gal from a poor asian country who goes into this industry with her eyes open and knows what to expect and a Filopino gal who came over to Canada to work as a nanny and gets roped into working as a sex trade worker against her own wishes....and who is threatened with not only physical violence but mental torture as well with the threat of telling her family what she has done...though obviously not telling them she was forced to do it.

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All generalisations are dangerous, even this one.

I apologize as a means of diplomacy, because I took the negativity towards Caucasian SPs to heart, and I don't want to absorb any negativity. Nor do I want to single you out, nor your response on this medium, as if we were able to speak face-to-face, we just may agree.

I took your comments as a generalization against ALL Caucasian SPs that believe that pimping/trafficking is a part of reality, to be evil money-grubbing bitches. I hope you didn't mean it. I have no knowledge about your specific micro, nor would I make a broad assumption about any place even local. It's not my place to be judge and jury.

All generalisations are dangerous, even this one.
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I think I've said all that needs to be, and more. i spoke my mind, and hold no ill will against anyone who shared theirs.

I just have a really big heart, especially for women in need. And certainly not for evil deceiving bitches.







You have not taken offense to me as I dont live in Vancouver and thusly it does not matter....my statement was with regards to Sugarland in Calgary....a very high end Micro I frequent that the locals dislike for the reasons I stated....from my experience I imagine the same animosity exists in Vancouver between the indy's and the micros there...though I dont know what the service level is like in the Vancouver Micros as I have not partaken in it....and I doubt I will as I just plain hate Vancouver LOL

You have every right to voice your opinion with regards to what I post on any thread....though I will say if you ever utter the words "human trafficking" about Sugarland ...well I wont be polite at all.....




This news story saddens me Nina.....as it is the awful truth of what really is "human trafficking"...where gals who are far from their country of origin are forced into doing something they dont want to by unscrupulous dirtbags.....the threat of telling a Filopino gals family of such activities is like holding a knife to her throat....from the details of the police report I have no doubt about the place.....at the same time an isolated incident such as this is like a large paint brush that paints with broad strokes....it covers up both the miniscule bad parts as well as the micros that are staffed by gals that are eager and willing to work at a micro and make $120-$150 for 30 minutes VS working in the 1-4-1's of Hong Kong for far less....these gals for the most part are in Canada on student visa's to learn english....but when it comes down to it they are here to earn money....far more money than they can earn in their home countries.....and I myself think that is OK...as for dirtbags such as those that were charged in that police report I think those soul soliciting pig fuckers should be raked over the coals....there is a big difference between a gal from a poor asian country who goes into this industry with her eyes open and knows what to expect and a Filopino gal who came over to Canada to work as a nanny and gets roped into working as a sex trade worker against her own wishes....and who is threatened with not only physical violence but mental torture as well with the threat of telling her family what she has done...though obviously not telling them she was forced to do it.

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First, I think relativity is a big factor. 'Forced' is a liberal term, which can be argued.

But, on the other hand, we are all aware that the numbers tend to be staggeringly higher than those who actually get caught straight from the crate.

Bottom line, trafficking and/or pimping is a real thing, no matter skin color. To downplay it's existence doesn't serve any purpose. There is lots of money to be made...evil people capitalize on the misfortune of others.
Would you please be so kind as to expand on these staggeringly higher numbers you have referred to? Perhaps, a source?
 

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Would you at least be willing to agree that there is a distinct possibility that these ladies I know "might" not be forced into the business by a pimp or someone holding a gun to their head, considering that one of them is driving a BMW and one a Lexus? The other poor lady only has 2010 Focus, fire engine red.
 

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Aside from the trafficking or pimping issues, I do prefer micros over indy.
First, they are much less likely to rip customers off. Many indy charge 250-300/hr, some even higher (some of them are not young nor attractive). In mp and micros, every girl's price is set according to their look and services. (ex. base price is $120, if they are under 40, then $120+$20=$140, if they are under 30, then $120+$30=$150, if they are koreans or japanese, $120+$40= $160/45min, if you want msog, add $40 on top of all rates, if greek add $50-$100) For indy, they tell you 'what you paid for is just for the time I spend with you, and what happens next is according to the discretion of two concent adults,' these fancy words' translation-'if you are stupid enough, pay me twice as high as you pay those micro or mp girls, you can hope for bbbj, daty, msog etc etc, but there is no guarantee.'
Secondly, most micro girls compete with other girls in the micro, so they stay very fit in order to earn more cash. As with indy, there is no competition near by, so many of them are overweight.
Sure, many say indy is much better with attitude, but keep in mind, we are visiting prostit*t* for sex, not find a buddy for an enjoyable time and a nice conversation, so look and service is much more important.
 

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the vast majority who work at micros and amps are there of their own volition. The only reason that we even started going on about this was that storm rider made a hugely insulting comment, basically stating that the allegations of trafficking are bullshit lies made up by us white girls who hate the competition. This comment really was so unfair.. not only to us, but to the girls who really ARE trafficked.. because these girls EXIST.
The statement I made was due to knowing directly that local SP's and 1 local agency in Calgary were spreading lies of "human trafficking" at Sugarland in the chatroom on CAF whenever they could...anything to bad mouth the place and make it seem like some seedy sweatshop where the gals are forced into the business...something that pissed me off a great deal as I am aware of the truth.....that the gals are there of thier own choosing....they work in an upscale high end condo that is nicely decorated....they have their own cell phones as well as the one provided by SugarK to confirm bookings...they are furnished with laptops and have internet access...they eat very well and also enjoy stuff like the stampede if they are here during it....I myself as a favour to SugarK took a gal by the name of Jenna to open a bank account a while back...she was dressed to the 9's and every guy that saw her walking with me did a double take..in fact 1 guy did so whilst with his GF and I could hear the arguement from 50 feet away as he was getting torn a new asshole LOL...and what was Jenna packing with her..all told she had her personal cell phone...the cell phone to call SugarK(or be called)..her passport and about $9000 in cash...yuppers...a gal sucked into sexual slavery will definatly be free to roam around in public with all of that stuff.

To be blunt the Calgary indy's and agencies dont like the micros and or Sugarland and I am sure it is the same in Vancouver as they are even more prevalent there......but they are there and they are not going to go away....as there are guys that like them and like the VFM they offer as well as the wicked service...instead of being catty and ripping on the micros the indy's/agencies would do better by actually competing with them instead of being stuck in the mindset of not wanting to offer the level of service that the micros offer at the same price.

I am not ripping on you...just stating EXACTLY what I know and have been through in 2 years of intensive pooning.

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The statement I made was due to knowing directly that local SP's and 1 local agency in Calgary were spreading lies of "human trafficking" at Sugarland in the chatroom on CAF whenever they could...anything to bad mouth the place and make it seem like some seedy sweatshop where the gals are forced into the business...something that pissed me off a great deal as I am aware of the truth.....that the gals are there of thier own choosing....they work in an upscale high end condo that is nicely decorated....they have their own cell phones as well as the one provided by SugarK to confirm bookings...they are furnished with laptops and have internet access...they eat very well and also enjoy stuff like the stampede if they are here during it....I myself as a favour to SugarK took a gal by the name of Jenna to open a bank account a while back...she was dressed to the 9's and every guy that saw her walking with me did a double take..in fact 1 guy did so whilst with his GF and I could hear the arguement from 50 feet away as he was getting torn a new asshole LOL...and what was Jenna packing with her..all told she had her personal cell phone...the cell phone to call SugarK(or be called)..her passport and about $9000 in cash...yuppers...a gal sucked into sexual slavery will definatly be free to roam around in public with all of that stuff.

To be blunt the Calgary indy's and agencies dont like the micros and or Sugarland and I am sure it is the same in Vancouver as they are even more prevalent there......but they are there and they are not going to go away....as there are guys that like them and like the VFM they offer as well as the wicked service...instead of being catty and ripping on the micros the indy's/agencies would do better by actually competing with them instead of being stuck in the mindset of not wanting to offer the level of service that the micros offer at the same price.

I am not ripping on you...just stating EXACTLY what I know and have been through in 2 years of intensive pooning.

SR
I think what she objects to is that in order to defend these places (and truth be told, you cannot know for sure the conditions that bring a foreign sex worker into Canada, or that just because Sugarland (and a few others) do it right, does not mean that all foreign sex workers are doing it of free will), you & others choose to insult, cast aspersions, and sometimes lie about the independent or (in Calgary etc) mps sps. It is not true, for example, that ALL other sps rip people off. It is not true that ALL other sps charge too high a rate. It is not true that ALL other sps treat their clients like crap. It is not true that ALL other sps spread lies about human trafficking about micros (in fact, it is trafficking, it just may not be the big buggy boo type of sex slavery human trafficking, but by the legal definition it is). i realize Sugarland treats you well. To this extent, when you are unhappy with the services provided by an sp, you are able to get her fired, isn't that right? Does she, then, not have a right to freely provide the services she is comfortable with? Is that determined by Sugar, yourself, the clients she is set up with, and not her? Does she then have to leave, without making the decent amount of money she came for because she did not provide an enthusiastic bbbj to someone?

And more on this, is your decision to not tip, which is fine. But consideriing you already get a great deal at such a mciro, compared to the other standard rates at mps, why complain about the rates elsewhere? And why would you think it is ok to not slip a girl who is making only a fraction of that really low rate (after all, how much does Sugar keep? How many other "charges" beyond the standard cut does she take? If you do not know, you should. Because then you (and others) can know exactly what you are defending. i don't know what the house cut is, but if you are paying 140 for 45 minutes, it doesn't look great on you if you know the sp makes 70 bucks, imo. Makes you (and others) look a bit predatory, low class and sleazy. But, really, maybe these other sps that you accuse of slinging mud at the micros are more concerned about the actual workers than the guys who see them, and Sugar for that matter. What kind of person thinks it is ok, in a town where 300 is the standard rate for what a sugar sp provides, oh well, she's asian, can't speak english, here illegally, so it is ok to pay her 70 bucks for her time when everyone working legally (and licensed) would take home 250 for the same work.

I don't really think much of that guy right now. And maybe, Nina is thinking with her heart, not her wallet.

Fact is, there have been several stings by LE in vancouver, Edmonton and Calgary, all in asian micros, and all the initial charges inlcude trafficking, so that isn't really a lie, is it? Recently some micro in TO got busted, with two underage girls, one 16 and one 14. Are they making that choice willingly? Another one in vancouver was mentioned by some guy who did not a thing, she was 15. Still okay with it all are you?

imo, you can go where ever you wish, micros are like assembly lines and they run thru the clients like numbers bim bam boom. Alot of people do not care for that style,which is why the independent non-asians do not lower their rates, and do not have problems with their business. I have heard for YEARS now about how the micros under pricing the indys will affect the business of the independent, or even the mps like the fox den, yet I have yet to see solid evidence of this with indy all over the place slashing their rates to meet or beat them lol. Shit, they aren't even doing bbbjs, yet that too is what everyone seems to "know".

What I would suggest is that sure promote, support and enjoy the micros, but don't run around accusing everyone else who doesn't want any part of them of lying about them. every negative thing posted in the lounge, in reviews, etc it true after all from the fake pics, b&s, ages off by decades, and illegal workers brought here ("trafficked") to work. I can imagine in Calgary or Edmonton where the sps have to pay hefty yearly fees for escort licenses to the city, you can bet they are not happy about any worker, no matter where they came from, who carries on working without a license. Other people carry on about how sps don't pay taxes., Well, exactly how many of the micros heft over the taxes? Does sugar even have a business license to operate? Does she pay employee benefits, anything into CPP, EI, etc? You think that is ok, when so many other businesses do contribute?
 

storm rider

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I think what she objects to is that in order to defend these places (and truth be told, you cannot know for sure the conditions that bring a foreign sex worker into Canada, or that just because Sugarland (and a few others) do it right, does not mean that all foreign sex workers are doing it of free will), you & others choose to insult, cast aspersions, and sometimes lie about the independent or (in Calgary etc) mps sps. It is not true, for example, that ALL other sps rip people off. It is not true that ALL other sps charge too high a rate. It is not true that ALL other sps treat their clients like crap. It is not true that ALL other sps spread lies about human trafficking about micros (in fact, it is trafficking, it just may not be the big buggy boo type of sex slavery human trafficking, but by the legal definition it is). i realize Sugarland treats you well. To this extent, when you are unhappy with the services provided by an sp, you are able to get her fired, isn't that right? Does she, then, not have a right to freely provide the services she is comfortable with? Is that determined by Sugar, yourself, the clients she is set up with, and not her? Does she then have to leave, without making the decent amount of money she came for because she did not provide an enthusiastic bbbj to someone?

And more on this, is your decision to not tip, which is fine. But consideriing you already get a great deal at such a mciro, compared to the other standard rates at mps, why complain about the rates elsewhere? And why would you think it is ok to not slip a girl who is making only a fraction of that really low rate (after all, how much does Sugar keep? How many other "charges" beyond the standard cut does she take? If you do not know, you should. Because then you (and others) can know exactly what you are defending. i don't know what the house cut is, but if you are paying 140 for 45 minutes, it doesn't look great on you if you know the sp makes 70 bucks, imo. Makes you (and others) look a bit predatory, low class and sleazy. But, really, maybe these other sps that you accuse of slinging mud at the micros are more concerned about the actual workers than the guys who see them, and Sugar for that matter. What kind of person thinks it is ok, in a town where 300 is the standard rate for what a sugar sp provides, oh well, she's asian, can't speak english, here illegally, so it is ok to pay her 70 bucks for her time when everyone working legally (and licensed) would take home 250 for the same work.

I don't really think much of that guy right now. And maybe, Nina is thinking with her heart, not her wallet.

Fact is, there have been several stings by LE in vancouver, Edmonton and Calgary, all in asian micros, and all the initial charges inlcude trafficking, so that isn't really a lie, is it? Recently some micro in TO got busted, with two underage girls, one 16 and one 14. Are they making that choice willingly? Another one in vancouver was mentioned by some guy who did not a thing, she was 15. Still okay with it all are you?

imo, you can go where ever you wish, micros are like assembly lines and they run thru the clients like numbers bim bam boom. Alot of people do not care for that style,which is why the independent non-asians do not lower their rates, and do not have problems with their business. I have heard for YEARS now about how the micros under pricing the indys will affect the business of the independent, or even the mps like the fox den, yet I have yet to see solid evidence of this with indy all over the place slashing their rates to meet or beat them lol. Shit, they aren't even doing bbbjs, yet that too is what everyone seems to "know".

What I would suggest is that sure promote, support and enjoy the micros, but don't run around accusing everyone else who doesn't want any part of them of lying about them. every negative thing posted in the lounge, in reviews, etc it true after all from the fake pics, b&s, ages off by decades, and illegal workers brought here ("trafficked") to work. I can imagine in Calgary or Edmonton where the sps have to pay hefty yearly fees for escort licenses to the city, you can bet they are not happy about any worker, no matter where they came from, who carries on working without a license. Other people carry on about how sps don't pay taxes., Well, exactly how many of the micros heft over the taxes? Does sugar even have a business license to operate? Does she pay employee benefits, anything into CPP, EI, etc? You think that is ok, when so many other businesses do contribute?
Just a question pillowtalk....do you get upcharged to kiss her ass like that?

SR
 

Pillowtalk

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Just a question pillowtalk....do you get upcharged to kiss her ass like that?

SR
I doubt if nina would charge extra for an ass kissing, lol. I do wonder, SR, exactly what 'extra' benefits, besides hanging out with low paid sps socially for "free" or trade, you get for promoting Sugarland the way you do. And why no one seems to call out "shill" to you, in the same way they shout it out about any other sort of reviewer. Interesting.

But I am curious, why no answers to the simple question: how much is the sp take from each appt? How many sps have you (or other clients) managed to get fired for not providing services they do not want to provide? I know of one reported by you....have there been more? And if so, why do you think that it is ok to demand services from a micro sp if other sps are permitted to set their own restrictions, why not micro sps?

I think if you are going to defend a certain style of business, you should mention all the points of difference, not just fling out accusations about sps who are not part of a micro assembly line production. Are there a lot of agencies or mps, for the point of comparison, that set the sps services and restrictions and personal boundaries, without asking the sps what they are comfortable with? Are there a lot of agencies and mps in Calgary that fire an sp for not providing gfe, for example, if that is not what she wants to provide?

Just curious, of course. Are you one of those people who see sps as a list of services they provide, all equally interchangeable as long as they provide the same services, and it matters not who they are as individual people with basic feelings, needs and desire to make decisions about their bodies and health for themselves?
 

lenny

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Would you at least be willing to agree that there is a distinct possibility that these ladies I know "might" not be forced into the business by a pimp or someone holding a gun to their head, considering that one of them is driving a BMW and one a Lexus? The other poor lady only has 2010 Focus, fire engine red.
I'd consider the possibilities these vehicles are not owned, still being payed for, have been borrowed or stolen, etc
 

Pillowtalk

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I'd consider the possibilities these vehicles are not owned, still being payed for, have been borrowed or stolen, etc
That's funny, lol.


Also funny is how much micros are loathed out East, Ottawa and TO, for example. Very few promote them, let alone go to them, at least on review sites, for the simple fact review sites are all about exposing false advertising, not encouraging it. Most don't consider the tradeoff of a lower rate worth the crap of bs, fake pics and ages, and that is where the term Asian Assembly Line seems to be coined lol. (Though I like the visual of the plucked chickens hooked up and sent along for processing: naked - CHECK, shower - CHECK, bj - CHECK, etc.

Classic: "most of the work is done by machines"


 
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