Micheal Moore new documentary Planet of the Humans

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In my opinion the documentary makes a few points:
1 Clean energy is not quite clean.
Obviously if you don't burn gas or whatever that pollutes the air you may still pollute the soil or the water. Different kinds of pollution. The question is which process is easier to contain and manage in regards to the inevitable byproduct.
2 Big oil controls the clean energy sector.
That's old news but for the millennials it may be just one more reason to freak out.
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Clean energy sounds a bit like a scam based on how it ends up being taxed, exempted, etc.

I'm not sure what is the point of the movie. There are no mind boggling revelations neither does he bother to explain the deep mechanisms that are at play. He (M Moore) learned to make documentaries on controversial topics and he probably makes a little fortune on them. I think he is a bore.
 

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In my opinion the documentary makes a few points:
1 Clean energy is not quite clean.
Obviously if you don't burn gas or whatever that pollutes the air you may still pollute the soil or the water. Different kinds of pollution. The question is which process is easier to contain and manage in regards to the inevitable byproduct.
2 Big oil controls the clean energy sector.
That's old news but for the millennials it may be just one more reason to freak out.
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Clean energy sounds a bit like a scam based on how it ends up being taxed, exempted, etc.

I'm not sure what is the point of the movie. There are no mind boggling revelations neither does he bother to explain the deep mechanisms that are at play. He (M Moore) learned to make documentaries on controversial topics and he probably makes a little fortune on them. I think he is a bore.
I’m not sure which documentary you watched? The whole point that was being made in the documentary was very clear. The so called ‘Green Energy’ is not as green as they say it is. Yet they are trying to sell it as being ‘Green’ by falsely advertising it as such.
 

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I watched the whole movie. It was the complete opposite of what I expected from Michael Moore. The movie maker did not volunteer any of his own opinions - he just lets the experts speak. And, oh boy, did they!! Quite an eye-opener. So maybe it's not 100% accurate but if half of it is true, it is a scathing indictment of the whole 'renewable' religion.
 

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Yes saw this a few weeks ago . The first Micheal Moore documentry movie that I have saw . I decided to watch it because of how the enviormentslist scientist were against it I wanted to know why.I liked it and it asked a lot of good question. But no answers.
As it turns out this project may of been in the works for 10 yrs or more and it used old info about solar and wind power with out up dating it to the situation today.
But the story was not about renewable energy. It was about how more and more people and their need for more and more energy is going to destroy the planet . It is another environmental danger that is very real right now and the cause of all the problem in the world.
Uncontrolled population growth consuming the planet resources.
Every thing man makes only last so long and then need to be replaced, it might be up graded and made better but it still uses more resources and the most important point is that it make big corporations more and more money . That is part of what's behind big business supporting going green . Not about saving the planet it about profit.

Yes green energy has improves lot in 10 yrs and it does,amount to a higher percentage being feed into the frig like 25% wind power in Germany and total of 30% with solar.
No where near that in the US and Canada. We are lucky to have more hydro power all though that has its environmental impact also .

If you watch the movie and listen to some of Micheal Moore and the other people involved in the project when they do pod case or interviews on the movie and its controversy you will realize it not about weather solar or wind or other green ideas will save us . They are more concerned about to many people and how it is causing the problem on this planet by destroying the environment and consuming limited and pollution causing material to feed the increasing consumerism that deed the profits of world corporations and the the top 1%.

It pointed at America put it about the whole world and they are asking how much longer can this go on for befor we fuck our selves out of a home.
They are are asking everyone to stop increasing the population and cut back on using more and more .

Sure that us not good for the economy, it is not good for maki g more profit , but t would be good to help safe the human race as a species and maybe save the planet environment.

They pandemic has allread shown how when people dont move around , cut back on their consumerism there is a profound positive effect on the environment but a devastating affect on the social ideas we thought we needed.
The consumerist economy goes to Shit and we find out how much we have to keep making and consuming to make continued to work smoothly
But it also has shown where we have been ignoring all the problems and now they are 100 times bigger and people die because of it . Not just people you dont know in countries you dont care about . These people is are your nabours , friends andfamily. Your mother, father, husband, wife and children. A wake up call , will we see it as that or just go back to the same old course of self destruction.
There is not easy answer or instant solution . Changing attitudes takes time . And how do you stop the corporate proffit driven economy that hold the world in its greedy hands
 
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The biggest shocker for me was how the world has gone to producing energy from what they call bio mass..basicly cutting down forest to burn in power generating plants. Every thing is wrong about that.
And I dont see any one complaining about it.
Even B C. has a bunch of then in the interior. Suppose using waste wood products, dead trees and none profitable wood lots.
Bio mass uses for power generation is bio bad for the enviorment
 

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I hope I did not kill the thread.
It not like we are all having a good time with one of the lovely ladies.
 

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Yes green energy has improves lot in 10 yrs and it does,amount to a higher percentage being feed into the frig like 25% wind power in Germany and total of 30% with solar.
that's not accurate, those are numbers when conditions are at their optimum

which is almost never

the sun doesn't always shine, the wind doesn't always blow

you have to have the panels at the right angle, maximum sun, no clouds

wind at certain speed

it's part of the bullshit propaganda

like I saw one guy say, you're pro solar/wind, you're pro blackout
 

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I agree.
I was quoting from one if the links that was on the first reply.
The problem with any energy source is storage. hydro, coal,atomic, solar,wind, hydrogen or any other alternative energy generally is either producing power all the time that it has a fuel source. Or it us sn on demand system where you start up the generator when you need it or use from a battery.
How to store energy from the main on line sources is what we need to concentrate on.

One system is large banks of battery stage. Tge size of a few city blocks which store electricity from none peak times and is available to the power grid at peak times. That is one way to cut down on wasting resources. Of course that will ramp up mining, and manufacturing of components which have other environmental impact.

Single home or small cammunity power production is a less environmental impact system, but not embraced by large corporations or the consumerism attitudes of the masses. Because you have to practice conservation to make it economically viable.

When you look at some remote mining communities or mill towns in BC. Many producers their own power with dams. Sone of those dams are still being used to day and feed in to B C. Power grid. But the towns are dead because the jobs are gone.

What is needed is shift in how our society functions today. We have go away from every on pulled in to large centers and back to small self sustaining groups.
It does not mean isolationism because with tec today we still can commute and have supply infrastructure. But from an energy use perspective we could use the alternative sources better.

Let face it here in BC we produce hydro electric power for the US that is what we have built most of our dams for. And the thousands of km of powerlines is just as much a,waste of resources as any thing else. Problem is it is not for Canadians. We could of got by with smaller hydro dams and less environment disruption.

Of course it is about ecanomic. We want jobs ,we want a high standard of living and all the good things in life. It not be that sustainable with out doing more mega projects, and there contribution is limited. Maby other well well paying jobs are gone. With out a new vision of a prosperous society and world we will continue to do the same and that is just destroying us in the process
 
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