Men using the rating system in reviews...

[SeductiveCameronDEL]

Ok, I am definitely not one of the girls out there that prefers not to be reviewed, because I know that reviews can be a huge generator for people noticing that you're out there. I prefer the ones that state enjoyment, and lack of specific detail, but the ones that list every move are helpful too. I get it. Clients want to know what they're in for. But guys.....WHY??? Why the numbers out of 10??? Giving a score is completely subjective and objectifying towards the SP. It makes me feel like a prized cattle or sporting event. Is it really not enough to just type out your feelings on the encounter? It's especially awful when there's a group of reviews and girls are listed, one name on top of the other, and then graded. Ew. It makes me feel yucky, and it is hurtful to self-esteem..."I wonder what she looks like...she's prettier/thinner/funnier than me [according to that ONE person]...does that mean I'm ugly/fat/boring??....should I try harder? Hate that girl? Go on a diet?" Etc etc etc The number grading system is one aspect I really dislike about this line of work, and I find it tacky/lazy. Am I alone in this? Ladies?

 

[Peyton Anders]

Completely agreed.

EDIT (because I'm at the gym): I would much rather read a vivid and detailed account of the activities that occurred during the visit than be rated an 8 on my looks and start becoming self conscious over what I'm lacking or failing to do. It just causes a lot of unnecessary stress and is quite degrading, especially when so many of us really strive to have accurate depictions of ourselves in our photos.

 

[Elle Diablo]

In essence, the way some men review their experience, sex is like a sporting event, but instead of fishing they are pooning.

I agree with you Cameron when you suggest numbering an experience is lazy, and really that sort of laziness just depreciates the act altogether.

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

Perhaps we might encourage them instead to use the 4 point scale that should be familiar to anyone who has read an elementary school report card in the last decade?

4: Exceeds Expectations - This is for the mindblowing, bone melting, can't stop grinning, "I just saw the face of God", so much better than anticipated...

3: Fully Meets Expectations - Delivers on everything promised, pictures obviously real and recent, good time is had by all...

2: Minimally Meets Expectations - It's the right girl, and the right place, and the price is fair and the service is adequate...barely

1: Not Meeting Expectations - B & S, pictures 5 years out of date, you walk, she bails, etc.

Having had some practice with evaluation and assessment, I believe the 4 point scale as outlined is far less subjective and much more useful. Using that scale, a gentleman can rate a woman based SOLELY upon his expectations. I have some new, completely unretouched photographs on my latest ad that shows a VERY accurate representation of my body type, though most of my face is obscured*. So if a gentleman were to come and visit me, he might rate my looks as a 3, because I look exactly like the picture I posted, or as a 4, because he might find that my sparkling eyes add a lot to my looks. Alternatively, he might decide that for him, my looks are a 1, because I'm 100% natural unenhanced and in my 40s (why he would have chosen to see me only to rate me a 1 is a mystery that will continue to baffle us all...) Although it's still a subjective rating system, it is one gentleman's opinion of one woman at a time.

*although let's face it, with THIS hair, if you've seen my ads, you're going to recognize me out in public.

 

[SeductiveCameronDEL]

Perhaps we might encourage them instead to use the 4 point scale that should be familiar to anyone who has read an elementary school report card in the last decade?

4: Exceeds Expectations - This is for the mindblowing, bone melting, can't stop grinning, "I just saw the face of God", so much better than anticipated...

3: Fully Meets Expectations - Delivers on everything promised, pictures obviously real and recent, good time is had by all...

2: Minimally Meets Expectations - It's the right girl, and the right place, and the price is fair and the service is adequate...barely

1: Not Meeting Expectations - B & S, pictures 5 years out of date, you walk, she bails, etc.

Having had some practice with evaluation and assessment, I believe the 4 point scale as outlined is far less subjective and much more useful. Using that scale, a gentleman can rate a woman based SOLELY upon his expectations. I have some new, completely unretouched photographs on my latest ad that shows a VERY accurate representation of my body type, though most of my face is obscured*. So if a gentleman were to come and visit me, he might rate my looks as a 3, because I look exactly like the picture I posted, or as a 4, because he might find that my sparkling eyes add a lot to my looks. Alternatively, he might decide that for him, my looks are a 1, because I'm 100% natural unenhanced and in my 40s (why he would have chosen to see me only to rate me a 1 is a mystery that will continue to baffle us all...) Although it's still a subjective rating system, it is one gentleman's opinion of one woman at a time.

*although let's face it, with THIS hair, if you've seen my ads, you're going to recognize me out in public.

This is a great idea! How do we get pooners to follow it?

I know that my issue with the ratings will most likely fall on deaf ears, because for the most part, clients using it are most likely not reading through the posts in the general area. But it's nice to know I'm not alone

 

[SeductiveCameronDEL]

Completely agreed.

EDIT (because I'm at the gym): I would much rather read a vivid and detailed account of the activities that occurred during the visit than be rated an 8 on my looks and start becoming self conscious over what I'm lacking or failing to do. It just causes a lot of unnecessary stress and is quite degrading, especially when so many of us really strive to have accurate depictions of ourselves in our photos.

Bahaha! I love that you're at the gym while you're checking perb. That's good time management

 

[badbadboy]

I have never believed in the 10 point system and usually state as much in my reviews.

Generally speaking if I find the SP attractive, if the date was fun (for me anyhow LOL) and if I truly feel like repeating; I specifically say so. I try not to make it about me at all. I usually stop reading if I get the sense the review is more about the reviewer than the SP. I could care less if the reviewer thought they gave the SP 24 orgasms in 60 minutes

I try to be respectful and not going into Penthouse Forum details when reviewing the SP. The last thing I want to do is make an SP uncomfortable when reading my review.

That can only cause problems in the future for the SP and the next guy will have the same expectations because BBB got some.

Overall when I review someone its because I enjoyed my time with her and I want to have repeat visits. Those that know me know I do like to repeat with my "circle of friends" :nod:

 

[Peyton Anders]

Bahaha! I love that you're at the gym while you're checking perb. That's good time management

Well I need something to do between sets, heh. Still trying to get into yoga, the whole months of not stretching after working out is coming back to righteously kick my ass.

 

[SeductiveCameronDEL]

Well I need something to do between sets, heh. Still trying to get into yoga, the whole months of not stretching after working out is coming back to righteously kick my ass.

Weight training with yoga is hard! I also need to hit the weights harder, so maybe we should do a trade to motivate each other....I drag you to yoga, you drag me to the gym

 

[Ms Erica Phoenix]

This is a great idea! How do we get pooners to follow it?

Well, in my experience, the best way to get what you want is to ask for it, politely and with humour. And then keep reinforcing those pooners that start picking up on it and using it in their reviews. Soon, it's common practice on the board.

So...As you are lying there, and he has that look on his face (you know the one girls: like someone hit him between the eyes with a brick and he can't believe how GOOD it felt!). You ask him, playfully, "So, have I met or exceeded all your expectations?" Then after you both giggle about that for a while, ask him if he's read the post outlining the 4 Point Rating Scale. Discuss how much more you appreciate that sort of a rating than the 10 Point Scale which is totally subjective. Particularly since there seem to be more and more first timers writing reviews. If the new generation of pooners adapts the practice, it becomes commonplace.

It also gives a great comeback to a less than stellar review. One simple question to ask: In what way did the escort fail to meet your expectations? That way, if it's constructive, you can act on it. If it's spurious, it will be seen for what it is.

 

[fuzzypeach]

I was thinking of using ratings on my first review, but thought against it too because of the subjectivity of the rating. Whew!

 

[Peyton Anders]

Weight training with yoga is hard! I also need to hit the weights harder, so maybe we should do a trade to motivate each other....I drag you to yoga, you drag me to the gym

Challenge accepted, please don't mind if I cry though.

 

[Claire Monet]

I, too, abhor the numbered rating system. You nailed it, Cameron, it leads me to feel like a piece of meat and can be misleading to potential clients. We are sentient beings, not some item you purchased from Amazon in which case rating customer satisfaction with numbers would be acceptable.

One gent once rated me as 10's all across the board, and while he got a big grin and more from me for it, I believe it lead others to possible disappointment when I didn't stock up to their ideas of all 10's.


Reviews, with decorum, are most appreciated. If someone out there isn't please with their experience with me I would hope him to be mature enough to either let me know what I could change for other future dates, or if he feels the need to review, to do so with tact.

 

[beginner]

Perhaps we might encourage them instead to use the 4 point scale that should be familiar to anyone who has read an elementary school report card in the last decade?

4: Exceeds Expectations - This is for the mindblowing, bone melting, can't stop grinning, "I just saw the face of God", so much better than anticipated...

3: Fully Meets Expectations - Delivers on everything promised, pictures obviously real and recent, good time is had by all...

2: Minimally Meets Expectations - It's the right girl, and the right place, and the price is fair and the service is adequate...barely

1: Not Meeting Expectations - B & S, pictures 5 years out of date, you walk, she bails, etc.

Having had some practice with evaluation and assessment, I believe the 4 point scale as outlined is far less subjective and much more useful. Using that scale, a gentleman can rate a woman based SOLELY upon his expectations. I have some new, completely unretouched photographs on my latest ad that shows a VERY accurate representation of my body type, though most of my face is obscured*. So if a gentleman were to come and visit me, he might rate my looks as a 3, because I look exactly like the picture I posted, or as a 4, because he might find that my sparkling eyes add a lot to my looks. Alternatively, he might decide that for him, my looks are a 1, because I'm 100% natural unenhanced and in my 40s (why he would have chosen to see me only to rate me a 1 is a mystery that will continue to baffle us all...) Although it's still a subjective rating system, it is one gentleman's opinion of one woman at a time.

*although let's face it, with THIS hair, if you've seen my ads, you're going to recognize me out in public.

I disagree totally, it would be about as reliable as using cum laude, magna cum laude, summa cum laude and egregia cum laude as an indication of intelligence...why is the 4 point system any less subjective than the 10 point system...mindblowing, bone melting, "I just saw the face of God" and the service is adequate are all subjective. People diss lists, but I have never heard an SP complain about the fact that they were on a top 5 list of great SPs

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Originally Posted by BORKO

Cameron Diablo is getting a lot of votes. kind of surprising since she's not a Vancouver local. Guess she's made quite the impression in this city..

Reply posted by CAMERON

Well this makes me very very happy!! I love what I do! Plus, I'm hoping to make it back to Vancouver mid-July, possibly for a duo rate special with Lady Kay, but also sporting a brand new and sexy look, a banging bod, a golden tan, and an insatiable appetite for all things naked

 

[yazoo]

For a monger, the only time the numbers are meaningful is if you have noticed that the reviewer has the same taste / criteria as the yourself.

When I first started, I followed the herd and used number ratings for Face, body, GFE, and so on, but soon realized that the appearance based ratings are useless and I agree, demeaning. I think there is a place for ratings based upon service. I've had SP's who welcomed me with wine, folded my clothes and hung things up in their closet, and just generally anticipated my every desire - like any service-based offering should be. But I guess I contradict myself - someone else's idea of service might just be an extra-long bj.

And while we're at the demeaning language discussion, is there something we can do about that cold, aseptic term 'service provider'? It's so cleansed of humanity it seems almost robotic. I'd much prefer a happy hooker than a government-issue faceless 'service provider' wearing a lab coat and a black latex glove.

 

[Peyton Anders]

I disagree totally, it would be about as reliable as using cum laude, magna cum laude, summa cum laude and egregia cum laude as an indication of intelligence...why is the 4 point system any less subjective than the 10 point system...mindblowing, bone melting, "I just saw the face of God" and the service is adequate are all subjective. People diss lists, but I have never heard an SP complain about the fact that they were on a top 5 list of great SPs

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Gentlemen listing their 5 favourite providers is not the same as ranking 'looks, attitude and service'. Top 5 lists are subjective to each person and everyone is aware of that: what butters your toast might not do it for others. Breaking down individuals into x/10 is demeaning towards the woman involved.

I'm not saying you can't be objective and state "not my personal type" or "photos were generous" or whatever, I'm saying that ranking a girl as a 6/10 is completely rude as she may be someone else's 10/10. It hurts feelings and causes unnecessary upset, where as almost no one gets hurt if they're not listed on a poster's top 5 list.

 

[SeductiveCameronDEL]

I disagree totally, it would be about as reliable as using cum laude, magna cum laude, summa cum laude and egregia cum laude as an indication of intelligence...why is the 4 point system any less subjective than the 10 point system...mindblowing, bone melting, "I just saw the face of God" and the service is adequate are all subjective. People diss lists, but I have never heard an SP complain about the fact that they were on a top 5 list of great SPs

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Yes, because those lists are an overall enjoyment. The system Ms. Erica introduced was also based on expectation based on photos and other reviews. They aren't broken down into looks, attitude, or service. Some people click better than others in a sexual situation for many different reasons. I'm flattered to be a favourite of a client, I don't scheme how to get to the top of the list. If site members posted a "least favourite SP" list, in numerical order, that would degrading. Not someone telling me I'm good at what I offer to be good at.

 

[chuckertmg]

It's repeatedly interesting to me on this these forums how everyone can be in essential agreement and yet it still comes off sounding like an all-out argument.

Even the people who use really weak arguments to support a 10 point system state overtly that it's totally subjective, lacks any inter-rater reliability, and doesn't really help with anything unless you already know the reviewer's preferences, in which case it's unnecessary.

So if the reviewer's preferences are already known to you, how does a number help? If a reviewer says "I'd definitely look twice at her walking down the street" or "her pictures are at least ten years old" doesn't that provide greater information than "7"? If you already know the reviewer then you already know what his tastes are, and if he says "recommended" how does it help that he says: "7"? Seriously...

Look - the four point system is a good proposal, but they're still numbers and if you provide your overall impression in writing, why a number?
As I said repeatedly to my kids when they were younger: "Just use your words…"

 

[morementum]

I am at a loss at seeing guys on an escort review site debating whether escorts like how they are reviewed. Give me a freakin break. It isn't like escorts should even read these let alone have a say in them. Let guys post what they want and if you agree with a guy's perspective, they way he reviews (points or no points - who really cares) may or many not help you. Isn't that what a review board is for? I remain at a loss why any input from escorts on this subject is even relevant.

 

[Peyton Anders]

I am at a loss at seeing guys on an escort review site debating whether escorts like how they are reviewed. Give me a freakin break. It isn't like escorts should even read these let alone have a say in them. Let guys post what they want and if you agree with a guy's perspective, they way he reviews (points or no points - who really cares) may or many not help you. Isn't that what a review board is for? I remain at a loss why any input from escorts on this subject is even relevant.

Seriously? I gather from your previous posts on complaining about rates and such you're not used to ladies being allowed to have opinions on board etiquette. Many members here have just as much respect for us as we do them and they value our opinions, believe it or not. It's merely a discussion, if you're going to be disrespectful to the providers that fund this board perhaps you shouldn't comment on such topics.