me too and me

[sevenofnine]

do you ever wonder what could come back and haunt you,

im an old fart now, but imagine your face is in the news for whatever reason,
and you have seen hookers for a dozen years like I have,
suppose your running for election school board, maybe just shop steward or union president,
whatever,

and there are all these hookers that know you,
you know life, your bound to rub some one the wrong way,

even if your a good guy, you saw some lady, 10 years ago,
now she has found god and is on a crusade or some dam thing,

even when a kid, think of all the stupid fucking things I have done.
I have never raped anyone or assaulted any one,

but yeah I was drunk young and stupid,
im sure there is a women somewhere who felt uncomfortable by me,

and that is what some of these me too things come down to
I felt so uncomfortable.

and now she tells a story 30 years latter with embellishments,
and im old enough to know, there are always exaggerations and liberties taken
when someone is telling their side of things.
at least 99 percent of the time any way,
when people say something
its to make you look like shit, and them with out blame,

I dunno its just weird,
people bringing up things thirty years ago, when every one was drunk and stupid,

at pretty much every party I have ever been to, when people get drunk and start acting
like what ever happens in vegas stays in vegas
shit happens,

in my old age, I try and get out and home before midnight

I know dam well,
that nothing good happens at two in the morning when everyone has been drinking

my honest opinion that might ruffle some feathers is that women should know that too,
everyone is fucking drunk and being stupid its time too leave,

I know that,
shit happens in certain situations,
and you should know enough to get your fucking ass out.

 

[clu]

I would guess that if a person has been young and stupid and was in a situation where signals were crossed resulting in an unwelcome advance, and "no" or "stop" were respected, there were no screams for help, no hands over mouths, no one rendered unconscious and waking up to finding clothes missing or body parts damaged, then maybe if the person damn well owned up to it when confronted and showed an ounce of sympathy and remorse for unintentionally troubling the other, the consequences would be much less severe.

As to being a politician or judge, it should require a certain degree of character we don't all posesss, just like we don't all have what it takes to be astronauts. I'm ok with a person being blocked from certain jobs of critical importance to society because of questionable behaviour.

 

[ddcanz]

I know that,
shit happens in certain situations,
and you should know enough to get your fucking ass out.

I'm not going to dissect any of your comments- this last ^^ sums it up perfectly.
Overall, I agree with what you are saying.
We all did shit back in the day on some level.
And shit happens in certain situations.
Unless there was a real crime involved or someone was really hurt, most anything "questionable" should just stay there.
Some fueled up 18 year old shithead whipping his meat out in front of another of his peers in 1980- is it really grounds for dismissal or the lynch mob now?
Not to make light of innumerable tragic events and circumstances, but many peoples skins are just too damn thin, their feelings are too damn easy to "hurt" and it's always someone else's damn fault. Or they just have a god damn agenda.

 

[clu]

Some fueled up 18 year old shithead whipping his meat out in front of another of his peers in 1980- is it really grounds for dismissal or the lynch mob now?

If you're talking about Kavanaugh, that's accuser #2. On its own, who knows, but accuser #1 says she was locked in a room, pinned down, hand over mouth as attempts were made to remove her clothes. That describes something a "little" more serious.

Anyway, the #metoo movement does acknowledge mere stupidity FYI:

 

[80watts]

Hormones going wild.
Mixed signals.
Inexpierience (young and dumb)
Alcohol
Reciepe for disaster??

Whipping the dick out, it worked on the last girl... how come it didn’t work with this one. Well experience tells you that not all women act the same. Maybe last time the woman was into you. This time maybe she has a boyfriend or finds you ugly.

Or maybe you are just drunk..... and shouldn’t be doing dumb things like whipping your dick out.

Go home and sleep it off.

 

[nightswhisper]

If Trump can laugh off Stormy Daniels and "grab her by the pussy" , then you can laugh off whatever comes out of your past.

It's not how big the problem is, but how you deal with it .

 

[80watts]

The age of Kavanaugh is when he is younger (teenager) for Trump he is in his fifties. World of difference in experience, and attitude towards women.

 

[Cock Throppled]

I'm ok with a person being blocked from certain jobs of critical importance to society because of questionable behaviour.

Even if it was supposdly one incident 30+ years ago, the accuser has minimal details and the accused seems to have no blemishes on his record since?

This is like societies that hold grudges for incidents that occurred hundreds of years in the past.

When do the aggrieved get on with their lives?

In Kavanaugh's case, if he isn't confirmed as SCJ, will it finally bring his accuser peace? Will she be satisfied justice has been done? Will she let go of the memory? Will her relationships all be better? Highly unlikely if she's spent 35 years torturing herself with her inner turmoil. The sole purpose is for the Democrats to score political points.

I wonder if she'll ever realize how she's been used, and will soon be forgotten by them?

 

[clu]

Even if it was supposdly one incident 30+ years ago, the accuser has minimal details and the accused seems to have no blemishes on his record since?

Well, we're not done tallying yet, are we? The problem here is the Republicans are trying to steamroll his appointment through before there's a chance to do a little more diligence. Waiting 300+ days was all fine and dandy for them when it was Merrick Garland's nomination. Oh but now, we'll give you 48 hours.

Plus, "one incident" doesn't really quantify the severity of the incident.

But seriously the right non-partisan thing to do would be to take the time to get it right. No rush to crucify or confirm.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Not that simple. The whole plan, and it has been established it's a strategy by the Democrats, is to delay until midterms hoping they can gain control of the senate and dump Kavanaugh. Again, without a proper investigation.

 

[clu]

Not that simple. The whole plan, and it has been established it's a strategy by the Democrats, is to delay until midterms hoping they can gain control of the senate and dump Kavanaugh. Again, without a proper investigation.

Like I said, at worst, that's the exact same thing McConnell did to block Garland, for less cause. So was that right or wrong? If that's their argument, then they're hypocrites.

(I have my doubts they're going to lose the Senate anyway, but that's besides the point.)

 

[Daniella]

I'm not sure what news yall are following but 3 people have accused him.

And if we could refrain from using lynch mob when talking about a white man getting a little heat, that would be great. Some of us have ancestors who actually lived through lynch laws and grandparents who survived the real threat of lynch mobs

 

[ddcanz]

And if we could refrain from using lynch mob when talking about a white man getting a little heat, that would be great. Some of us have ancestors who actually lived through lynch laws and grandparents who survived the real threat of lynch mobs

FFS already- really? That's your take away?
I have family that endured the Holocaust- doesn't mean I don't refer to "Jewing the price down" or feeling "Gypped" at times.
How about taking the term in the spirit it was given- as an over the top example to likely a minor issue in a certain circumstance (relating to a drunk punk exposing his "boyhood" at a teen drinking party). Send in the Army!
The PC and the me too movement and the feminazis and the thin skinned and so many other so-called put upon groups seem to know no bounds for the basis of their criticism.
What's next- we can't "circle the wagons" or "hold the fort" when it comes to verbally defending a position in a debate with an Indigenous Native North American or on any Aboriginal issue?
Or "scalping tickets" gonna get a certain crowd infuriated?
Bye bye Cleveland Indians and Washington Redskins.
The examples are endless...and don't mean any disrespect. And in your case, especially to issues directly related to Black history in America.
Burn me at the stake as you see fit...….

 

[Addison Cortez]

The entire population of the world can bring up ancestorical tragedies, white, black, yellow, olive, green, caramel etc

 

[MissingOne]

I was a young a stupid male too. I certainly made advances that were unwelcome and were rebuffed. However, even then I couldn't have imagined holding a person down and covering her mouth so that she couldn't call out for help. If that really happened, it speaks to a personality that I wouldn't want to see in a position of real power. Sure, people mature, but sometimes they just get better at masking their undesirable traits, rather than overcoming them.

The problem is, we'll probably never know the truth, since it's a he said - she said situation. It's hard to see how the FBI can resolve it.

 

[sevenofnine]

don't you just love whoopi Goldberg

she says it like it is.

what did she say, about these me too actresses

my mother said don't go up to no strange mans hotel room,

and when your accepting your academy award why don't you tell it like it is,
I had to fuck this big fat ass man to get this academy award,

 

[clu]

don't you just love whoopi Goldberg

she says it like it is.

what did she say, about these me too actresses

my mother said don't go up to no strange mans hotel room,

and when your accepting your academy award why don't you tell it like it is,
I had to fuck this big fat ass man to get this academy award,

There's wilful bartering using sex, which I'm sure happens, and there's non-consensual "no one will believe you"/"if you don't do this you'll never work again" sex, which I'm also sure happens.

To be generous, Whoopi is telling it like it sometimes is... and sometimes isn't.

 

[LADY-VIA]

do you ever wonder what could come back and haunt you,

im an old fart now, but imagine your face is in the news for whatever reason,
and you have seen hookers for a dozen years like I have,
suppose your running for election school board, maybe just shop steward or union president,
whatever,

and there are all these hookers that know you,
you know life, your bound to rub some one the wrong way,

even if your a good guy, you saw some lady, 10 years ago,
now she has found god and is on a crusade or some dam thing,

even when a kid, think of all the stupid fucking things I have done.
I have never raped anyone or assaulted any one,

but yeah I was drunk young and stupid,
im sure there is a women somewhere who felt uncomfortable by me,

and that is what some of these me too things come down to
I felt so uncomfortable.

and now she tells a story 30 years latter with embellishments,
and im old enough to know, there are always exaggerations and liberties taken
when someone is telling their side of things.
at least 99 percent of the time any way,
when people say something
its to make you look like shit, and them with out blame,

I dunno its just weird,
people bringing up things thirty years ago, when every one was drunk and stupid,

at pretty much every party I have ever been to, when people get drunk and start acting
like what ever happens in vegas stays in vegas
shit happens,

in my old age, I try and get out and home before midnight

I know dam well,
that nothing good happens at two in the morning when everyone has been drinking

my honest opinion that might ruffle some feathers is that women should know that too,
everyone is fucking drunk and being stupid its time too leave,

I know that,
shit happens in certain situations,
and you should know enough to get your fucking ass out.

Its easier to place blame instead of taking any responsibility. There is a time and a place for everything, and one can avoid a situation that could lead to trouble.

Theres a real false sense of feminism/liberation brewing among young girls as well. Ive spoken to a number of teenagers, and asked them questions. One drunken group had a lot to say to me, and for a split second I wondered if they were going to get aggressive with me, which would have been another hard lesson learned.

Dressing the way they do, half naked, with their asses hanging out of their shorts, is empowerment to them.
Ive been told point blank - " We know people look, and there are dirty old men staring at us, but this is my body, and Im liberated. Ill do what I want with it. I don't give a Fuc* who looks, doesn't mean they can touch " which is I think is just trouble waiting to happen. My parents would have burned my clothes, tanned my ass, and grounded me for life, if they caught me as a teen dressed how many young ones do today. It just wouldn't have happened. Why are these types of clothing even sold & geared towards young girls ?

Teenagers, are just bigger kids, who need a different type of parenting.
The " Me Too " movement can plant seeds among the young and impressionable.
They are the most susceptible to being influenced by this stuff, which is literally plastered all over the place.
Most households have two working parents now( because its necessary ), and google has become a convenient baby sitter. Which I personally think is by design.
Media influences, have more time with your children than most parents can provide.

Now, Im referring to young girls above, and to me that means, 17, 16, 15, 14 and below & I don't advise questioning a pack of young drunk teenage girls, unless you've got a decent pair of running shoes on. They are feisty. :fencing:

 

[clu]

Its easier to place blame instead of taking any responsibility. There is a time and a place for everything, and one can avoid a situation that could lead to trouble.

...

Dressing the way they do, half naked, with their asses hanging out of their shorts, ...

#metoo isn't particularly about drunken regret though. Or even being drunk, generally speaking.

The women I know who have been raped/sexually assaulted tell me "how were you dressed" is a red herring. They say they (and friends who had similar experiences) were wearing things like sweaters, jeans, etc. -- nothing particularly sexy -- and it didn't stop the attack.

In fact my mom was sexually assaulted by her boss at work when she was younger, as she entered the supplies room, and I don't recall her ever going to work in anything but business casual, buttoned all the way to the neck. She resisted the assault, but par for the course she didn't tell anyone for fear of losing her job. A little while later they made up a lie to fire her anyway.

IMHO, that (and worse) is what #metoo is largely about.

So many guys are worried about themselves and how a genuine misunderstanding might come back to haunt them. We have to recognise there's quite a backlog of legitimate, serious, unresolved offences to get through before they make it that far down the list to even contemplate lynching someone for a "petty misunderstanding".

Discouraging a deserved reckoning, for fear of what might happen if it goes too far before it has even had a chance to go far enough, puts the cart before the horse.

 

[Big_Guy_Rye]

The problem with the #MeToo movement is how identity politics have piggybacked their agenda upon a real issue women face in the world. And in order to agree with #MeToo's prime message, you have to adopt the SJW's agenda too. Which either sees the agenda grow out of control into McCarthyism, or it's counter-productive and drowns out that original message of anti-sexual harassment and abuse making a REAL victim's story utterly worthless if she were to ever seek real justice.

And if the recent Kavanaugh story proved anything, it's how those SJW's seek to create a two-tier justice system where accusations have become the executioners axe the moment the finger is pointed. They don't care about due process or rule of law because those systems work too slow for them, or it works against their own agendas. So they turn to the "clown circus of public opinion" and say "Hey ladies, do you hate rape? Well if you do, this "male" looked at me for two seconds too long and doesn't have a GQ modelling portfolio, by university standards this is rape, and the MeToo movement should bring awareness about harassment and rape so let's find out who he is on facebook and turn his life upside down despite not having a shred of tangible proof that an assault by him took place. You HAVE to believe all "her stories" now, no matter what."

...and that's where I start to laugh at the MeToo movement, since it just can't be taken seriously anymore. It's why Kavanaugh got his seat in the end.