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badbadboy

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http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/vancouver-zero-emission-building-plan-to-eliminate-natural-gas

I love to cook. Especially when in a kitchen equipped with a natural gas fired stove. The heat is even, accurate and clean burning.

Now, Mayor Moonbeam and his Merry Men and Women want to regulate the type of energy to use in Vancouver's 1200 Restaurants.

Costs of meals will increase several percent just based upon the cost of energy going from Natural Gas to Electricity. Gas is the lowest cost while our electricity is not as stable cost wise as it used to be. The cost of replacing all gas fired ovens to electricity will be huge.


Once again their focus is on making Vancouver Green without really sorting out the implications for the people who live and eat Vancouver.





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Restaurants protest Vancouver zero-emission plan that targets end to natural gas


Vancouver’s Zero Emission Building Plan has shone fresh light on council’s ambitious plan to wean the city from all fossil fuels by 2050 and it already has city restaurateurs simmering.

The city will require that all new construction meet its zero emission goal by 2030 and is bringing in a series of phased changes to building standards to allow the construction industry to adapt over time.

Because electricity supplied in Vancouver is more than 97 per cent from renewable sources, “the focus of this plan is on reducing demand for fossil fuel-based natural gas, used primarily for space heating and hot water,” the document reads. Also, the Renewable City Strategy adopted last year sets a goal of eliminating natural gas use in the city by 2050.

News that natural gas use would be curtailed sparked “anger and outrage” in the food service community, according to Ian Tostenson, CEO of the B.C. Restaurant and Foodservice Association.

“When policy is arbitrary like this, it just creates uncertainty and havoc,” he said.


Virtually all of the city’s 1,200 restaurants use natural gas, many of them small mom and pop businesses, he said. “Professional kitchens use gas and there is no cost-effective alternative.”

Consternation over the city’s apparent wish to eliminate natural gas is keenly felt by the city’s Asian cooks, who require fast, high heat for wok cookery.

“They are really concerned,” he said. “It’s not just efficiency, it’s how they produce flavours, so they are not happy.”

“I asked a group of food industry experts from China … what would happen if their government told them they couldn’t cook with gas and they just started laughing,” said Tostenson. “They thought it was a ridiculous question. They couldn’t believe we would even consider it.”

The city documents dictate that the share of energy provided by natural gas will fall from 46 per cent to zero, with the difference made up by electricity and renewable biofuels.

While the city insists the policy is not a “ban” on natural gas, officials offered little detail on how the city would wean FortisBC’s 108,000 Vancouver customers from their fuel of choice.

There are currently no restrictions on natural gas installations in residential or commercial buildings, they said.

“We knew about the Renewable City Strategy and we’ve seen some building guidelines making it more difficult to use natural gas, but we were surprised by the extent of their plan and how quickly it would happen,” said Jason Wolfe, director of energy solutions for FortisBC.

Switchboards at the gas utility lit up with unhappy customers when several media outlets reported the policy as a “ban” on natural gas.

A family that converts from gas to electricity will spend an extra $1,500 a year on space and hot water heating, according to FortisBC, which connects about 1,400 new customers in Vancouver each year.

The price difference may well grow over time. B.C. Hydro hiked electricity prices four per cent this year and plans to increase rates again by 3.5 and 3 per cent in the next two years.

“Our main concern is that people’s energy costs will go up if they are forced to switch from natural gas to electricity,” said Wolfe. “Natural gas is the cheapest option people have.”

Customers who use biogas currently pay twice the price of natural gas.

The city’s plans to increase biofuel use are well beyond predicted supply of the product, said Wolfe. FortisBC could reasonably expect to double its delivery of renewable gas in the next five years, but that will still be less than one per cent of its total business.

“Less than half of one per cent of our product is renewable and we would like to grow that to two per cent, but that is far short of the amount of natural gas Vancouverites consume right now,” he said.



The Vancouver plan — the first of its kind in North America — aims to reduce emissions from new buildings by 70 per cent by 2020 and 100 per cent by 2030 by improving insulation, door and window performance to reduce heating requirements and by switching to renewable energy.

For example, new highrise residential buildings will reduce emissions by using waste energy through district energy systems, installing heat recovery ventilation systems and by eliminating exposed concrete and balconies.

High-efficiency “passive house” standards for residential construction, which dramatically reduce heating requirements, are widely employed in Europe.

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Unbelievable. When I buy a house, I refuse to buy one with electric heating. It's just too darn expensive to run compared to Natural Gas. Moonbeam is an idealist with very little thought to reality or consequences. To the folks in the City of Vancouver, you are the idiots that keep electing him....
 

paprides

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One side of the alleged proposal (it has to pass, the mayor has to survive another term and a whole host of other possibilities) is the very real reaction of not just the 1200 restaurant owners, chef's but the customers and those predisposed (much like our OP) to cook with gas. Back yard barbecues will revert to…..charcoal and wood?

I can imagine a utopian city. No cars, only bicycles. Families eating quality food in Burnaby, Richmond, North and West Van, Coquitlam and heck, even Surrey. On account of how there are no restaurants in the city of vancouver.

Ah. Bright future, full of possibilities.

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CanineCowboy

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Instead of jumping towards negativity - dare to dream, dare to dream. We are talking about a transitional plan over 25 years, and looking back to 1991, a lot has changed technologically. Looking at replacing carbon energy with green renewables (including biogas) and decreasing inefficiency is just forward thinking.
 

Lo-ki

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Instead of jumping towards negativity - dare to dream, dare to dream. We are talking about a transitional plan over 25 years, and looking back to 1991, a lot has changed technologically. Looking at replacing carbon energy with green renewables (including biogas) and decreasing inefficiency is just forward thinking.
Natural gas is clean energy and is renewable energy and carbon neutral......

Gas stoves gives you instant heat at the level you want.
Not like an electric stove where you have to wait and waste energy to get the heat level you want.
 

CanineCowboy

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Loki, I think you may be forgetting about the environmental cost of fracking and pipeline construction? And one of the suggested substitutes for natural gas is biogas which I imagine offers a similar instant heat.
 

badbadboy

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Loki, I think you may be forgetting about the environmental cost of fracking and pipeline construction? And one of the suggested substitutes for natural gas is biogas which I imagine offers a similar instant heat.

Is this suggesting that electricity is cleanly generated through development of BC Hydro's Hydro Electric program?

Additionally, BCH has increased the price of electricity several fold in the past 20 years to BC consumers. This is primarily because they lost their shirts attempting to sell electricity on the demand market to the USA.

Moving forward the next 20 years being dependent upon hydro electricity will be a very costly alternative to the already proven cheap, clean natural gas with its enormous reserves in BC, N Alberta and the Arctic.

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/judge+rules+against+Hydro+billion+dollar+California+energy+dispute+with+video/7996973/story.html

Clearly Moonbeam and friends are living in a bubble not thinking twice to make these changes without a vision of the real cost to the restaurants dependent upon a good low cost energy.
 

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My mom saw the mayor the other day and told me the story of how she gave him Hell.... "What happened to our affordable housing Gregor?" *ignores her* "Gregor, you ran your entire campaign on the promise of affordable housing, so I voted for you... Where is it?" *ignores her* "Gregor, you lied to us. You're a liar." *ignores her* "Gregor, you're a DICK!"

Hahaha my Momma is EVERYTHING!!
 

papillion

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Natural gas is clean energy and is renewable energy and carbon neutral......

Gas stoves gives you instant heat at the level you want.
Not like an electric stove where you have to wait and waste energy to get the heat level you want.
Natural gas is NOT carbon neutral is NOT renewable, and is it'self a greenhouse gas.
Natural gas produces CO2 when burned
Get your facts straight
 
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