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Massage Parlours raids top Local CTV evening News

steven69

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Top story on CTV Vancouver 11:30 PM news was the police crackdown at local massage parlours. Banner across the screen proclaimed "Brothel Bust"

Story included live coverage with news camera crews attending police raids at a Hyett Acupressure and Butterfly in Burnaby.

Story says that it is a coordinated operation and included massage parlours in at least four municipalities in the lower mainland.
 

georgebushmoron

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georgebushmoron said:
My prediction`s (Feb.2006) come true again. I`m right on target. Damn I`m good:

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=43406&highlight=crackdown
Read my posts for the full details.
You may be right about your "predictions" GBM but be thankful dude
it wasn`t your SP friend that got cuffed tonite or at least I hope not.
........MINE WAS !! :(

And it hurts like hell dude ! I hope you reconsider your "Damn I`m good"
quote and might want to think about replacing it with,
"I hope no one I know was involved."

Yah I know you meant no harm but I`m feeling rather shitty about what happened tonite and sorry if I took it out on you bud.


............QM`r
 

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georgebushmoron

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Quarter Mile'r said:
You may be right about your "predictions" GBM but be thankful dude
it wasn't your SP friend that got cuffed tonite or at least I hope not.
........MINE WAS !! :(

And it hurts like hell dude ! I hope you reconsider your "Damn I'm good"
quote and might want to think about replacing it with,
"I hope no one I know was involved."

Yah I know you meant no harm but I'm feeling rather shitty about what happened tonite and sorry if I took it out on you bud.


............QM'r
You know what they say.... don't shoot the messenger.

Anyways.... even if you took it out on me, it's you and your friend that might be licking wounds for a bit. Sorry to hear your friend has taken a hit. Thankfully mine was lucky (again). Sadly, though she wants out of the biz, she can't, and I can't really help her. It's a tragedy all around for many girls who realistically have no other source of income to keep up with the demands of their family obligations.
 

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georgebushmoron said:
You know what they say.... don't shoot the messenger.

Anyways.... even if you took it out on me, it's you and your friend that might be licking wounds for a bit. Sorry to hear your friend has taken a hit. Thankfully mine was lucky (again).
True enough, don't shoot the messenger and thanks for your feelings
about my friend. I'm glad to hear yours got away unscathed.

Appreciated.

...........QM'r
 

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Police have carried out a series of raids on Vancouver-area massage parlours, making 108 arrests. The parlours have suspected links to human trafficking operations.


CTV.ca News Staff



According to the RCMP, police targeted parlours suspected of having connections to the sex trade, organized crime and human trafficking operations.

"As both Canadians and law enforcement personnel, we are very concerned about people being deceived or coerced into coming to Canada, with the hope of a better life, only to be held in virtual slavery," RCMP Superintendent Bill Ard told a press conference in Surrey.

He added: "It is situations such as these, where there are suspicions of people being victimized, that clearly demonstrate the importance of the RCMP and outside agencies working together, to help protect those who are vulnerable and who do not have an opportunity to help themselves.

The raids were carried out late Thursday and involved police from Surrey, Coquitlam, Burnaby and Richmond. One of the parlours was located in Vancouver.

Twenty-six of those arrested were clients at the parlours, while human trafficking investigators interviewed another 78 women -- many of them described as being Asian or South Asian.

"Of those 78 women, 52 agreed to seek immediate assistance from the provincial victims centre response team," said Ard.

According to Rob Johnston of the Canada Border Services Agency, officials do not deport victims of human trafficking from the country.

"Under the new guidelines and laws these victims can be issued temporary residence permits by Citizenship and Immigration Canada and if in our work we do locate victims we are in immediate contact with the RCMP and with Citizenship and Immigration Canada," said Johnston.

He added that the agency has officers working overseas to prevent victims from being sent to Canada, while "at our ports of entry our officers are trained to try to identify victims."

Victims of human trafficking are also provided with temporary health coverage until they are considered eligible for provincial health coverage.

Other available services can include housing, health care, emergency income, trauma counseling and legal assistance, according to Susanne Dahlin of the B.C. Public Safety Ministry.

"Victimization removes any control that a person has to make decisions for themselves,'' she told the press conference.

"In cases of human trafficking many of these victims will have no knowledge about what the laws of this country are or their options for support."

Robins Pike of the Ministry of Children and Family Development said none of the parlour workers appears to be underage.

No charges have been laid but an investigation is underway.

With files from The Canadian Press
 

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georgebushmoron said:
though she wants out of the biz, she can't, and I can't really help her.
sound to me like you can kiss this relationship goodbye until she finds someone who can.................


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georgebushmoron

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wilde said:
sound to me like you can kiss this relationship goodbye until she finds someone who can.................
But you don't know who this person is at all. She is not a gold digger. If she were, she would have walked a long time ago.
 

georgebushmoron

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dick9994 said:
"Of those 78 women, 52 agreed to seek immediate assistance from the provincial victims centre response team," said Ard.
Sure. Under the pressure of police arrests, who wouldn't make themselves out as unwilling victims in the sex trade. What's the alternative, coming out from under the red light and declaring you're a HO (and risk jail in an alien country and deportation)? And furthermore, most of these, if they are immigrants, probably have no idea what the hell a "provincial victims centre response team" is. Maybe they think they can get some free money.
 

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dessert said:
How come places like M-Cloe's, Platinum, and Swedish [don't] Touch do not get busted? Also, I thought, Carmen was running her's in similar style to the Touch.

:confused:
Swedish Touch is a licensed as a brothel. As long as there are no minors on the premises, so there's no way that LE can get the owner, attendants or clients under the bawdy house laws.
 

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Aeiyah said:
Swedish Touch is a licensed as a brothel. As long as there are no minors on the premises, so there's no way that LE can get the owner, attendants or clients under the bawdy house laws.
Uhhh... are you being sarcastic or trying to be serious? Sarcasm doesn't always come across in writing.
Brothels are bawdy-houses by definition in the Criminal Code of Canada. There is definitely no such thing as a "brothel licence" anywhere in Canada.
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-46/280658.html

197.(1)...
common bawdy-house
means a place that is
(a) kept or occupied, or
(b) resorted to by one or more persons
for the purpose of prostitution or the practice of acts of indecency...

210. (1) Every one who keeps a common bawdy-house is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.
(2) Every one who
(a) is an inmate of a common bawdy-house,
(b) is found, without lawful excuse, in a common bawdy-house, or
(c) as owner, landlord, lessor, tenant, occupier, agent or otherwise having charge or control of any place, knowingly permits the place or any part thereof to be let or used for the purposes of a common bawdy-house,

is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction...
 

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Question

How does the term common bawdy house play out when the girls are
arrested and charged with being in a common bawdy house?

My point being is the term common bawdy house just an assumption
or how do they come to being able to call the establishment a bawdy
house, because of what they "think" or "know" that goes on in there
at any given time? From previous charges or what?

In the news when they showed the cop reading the rights to the girl
she said you are being charged with being in a common bawdy house.
How do they come to the conclusion of it being a bawdy house?
Another words where's the proof that said establishment can be called
a bawdy house? By suspicion alone?

I seriously don't get it. Any legal beagles able to answer this one for me.

............QM'r
 

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Big difference

I have a really good friend that works with P.A.C.E.....an organisation that deals with issues that concern the SP community and often those who are using the services.

Yes. There are "busts" and "raids"....same as they do with strip clubs providing a little "too much" or something along those lines.

I have it on a very close source that the recent interest comes from "talk" of illigal immigrants, underagers and unlicensed establishments.

When there is even a complaint of such action, the police/vice squad does and will check it out. Even if there is no truth in the matter. Perhaps that is what happened here but who knows?

Bawdy house is simply an unlicensed premises. Thats why the parlours that are "high end" so to speak, pay such a huge premium for their license. The places that are just "set up" are considered bawdy houses. Very important to be specifically licensed for the service being provided....then its all good!

To make sure that you are safe, be sure that you are in a licensed establishment, even ask at the front desk if the ladies are id'ed upon walking in the door EVERY DAY, and that most likely these ladies are there upon their own accord. You get a feel for an establishment after a while so the really scrupulous ones will be able to provide you with the information you need to feel secure.

The Fox Den is very scrupulous about these practises, is completely licensed for all activites and maintains a very very high level of abiding by all the rules set down by the terms that the license implies. All clients can be assured safety and discretion and it has never been "busted". Neither has the Swedish Touch as far as I know.

Police need to maintain interest in all parlours so nothing gets out of hand...ie underage workers and illigal immigrants working against their will. If and when the police decide there are no grounds for people to be arrested or be of specific interest then I am sure that it will be sorted out. I wish everyone who has nothing to do with anything illigal all the best in a speedy recovery from this process.

Until then, play safe and have fun! Handcuffs are FUN but only when they are used for ummmm.....naughty stuff:)

xox

TTiffany Fox
 

HaywoodJabloemy

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No licence has anything to do with a common bawdy-house charge. There is no such thing as a municipal licence that allows anyone to violate section 210 of the Criminal Code of Canada. And there is no rule or law specifying "3 times" or anything like that.

I'm no lawyer, but just from reading articles I believe LE has to obtain evidence that the location is being commonly used for prostitution. This can come from witnesses, likely customers or employees, and/or male undercover cops acting as customers or female cops acting as job applicants. Then they can bust the place, charging all the MPAs as inmates and customers as found-ins. They don't necessarily have to catch any of them actually doing anything during the bust. If they find other evidence during the bust, like condoms or big stacks of cash, that would also be evidence.

I think "summary" charges could mean that the inmates and found-ins can only be convicted if there is a conviction in the primary case of keeping a common bawdy-house. Maybe someone who is lawyer can correct me if I'm wrong.
 

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TotallyTouchin said:
Bawdy house is simply an unlicensed premises. Thats why the parlours that are "high end" so to speak, pay such a huge premium for their license. The places that are just "set up" are considered bawdy houses. Very important to be specifically licensed for the service being provided....then its all good!
TTiffany Fox
So what should it say specifically on the license other than license for
the purpose of massage. All these places hit as far as I know had licences
to operate that business. They even said so on the news.

So really these places were not unlicensed.

........QM'r
 

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HaywoodJabloemy said:
I think "summary" charges could mean that the inmates and found-ins can only be convicted if there is a conviction in the primary case of keeping a common bawdy-house. Maybe someone who is lawyer can correct me if I'm wrong.
That's what I want to know. Does there not have to be a conviction of
the place "being" a body house before they read a girl her rights that she
is being charged with being in a bawdy house.

Anyone got any links to show that an establishment has to be proven it's
a body house by conviction first before they can use the term bawdy
house when reading someone the charges being laid on them?
Or can LE just assume that it is a bawdy house and charge the girl with
being there.

............QM'r
 
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