Mass murders ,it happening again!!!!

[johnsmit]

Am I the only one that see this people are being killed every day by fentanyl know one is crying murder.But Rahat is exactly what is going on .A number of dealers and pusher are responsible for killing a large number of the drug users that died from fentinol or fentinol laced drug OD.Some of the deaths should not even be considered OD , but are just strait selling some one a deadly piosion.

I know most might disagree, by saying that the people willingly made a choise bought and Toke the drugs. But there choise was based on a lie.They had no idea what was in the drugs tgey were taking or that it was a deadly combination no matter how small amount they Toke. In every sense of the meaning of murder is that not another person, the drug seller knowingly selling sonething that could cause a person's death.

With any other produce if the manufacture or sell are not sure of the safety of a produce , or it been proven unsafe and may cause death ,then then must remove it .or be charged with causing injury and death.

That is what is happening here with the drug deaths and for the same reason , to make money no matter who dies..Sounds like the same excuse for every mutable murder.

The police ,goverment,social workers and community have to wake up and stop just saying ,oh the poor drug addict we have to help then get safe sites to use..because it not just drug addicts that are being killed it many other everyday people ,recreational drug users,teens at parties and girls in this business too that get shit and have no idea what's in it .Fentanyl is being laces into all most all the drugs.The question is why? It proven to be unsafe and they have no idea of the strength that they making so why add it to other drugs and make them potentially deadly. It seems some one does not care if people die from the cocktail or not. That is murder!!!

It is time they start charging drug manufactures and dealer with murder because with out them selling a defected produce there woukd not be the hundreds of death there are .

Ithe was only a few yrs ago that Pickton was allowed to kill over 40 women before they did sonething..And then there are all the missing women on the highway of tears and across Canada and the US ,that are possiable murder victims with very little being done about that. They number into the hundreds.

Now these hundred of deaths in BC ,thousands across Canada and the US.and no one us being saute for murder or being charged with causing these death.Yes they say the are putting more resources it to trying to stop the drugs for coming in Iraq being manufacturer .But it not working very well is it .it a 300 billion dollars business what does it matter if they kill a thousandsmall of people every yr.

The problem is that most of the people don't know they are taking a deadly piosion. And the sad thing is that all the info and stories out there is not stopping people from using drugs.

 

[resercher]

I am no prude and my approach to things is people should be allowed to do what they want . But they should also take personal responsibility for their actions. Their are a lot of drug addictions That I pretty much don't get why someone would want to take the thing in the first place. For example cocaine and amphetamines that keep you up for days on end . Maybe it has to do with where I live .

But I know that their is next to nothing to do at 4 am. Unless you live away from the city and have to get ready to go to work or your on some sort of night shift. If someone gave me either of the above two drugs. I would most likely drop them in a trash can. As I would have no interest in using them . I also have never seen fentinol or know anyone who has used it. I know one of my parents got put on a drug for a heart problem . For whatever reason the thing made them almost suicidal. It was at that point that they decided to educate themselves about medicine and the human body . They got a doctor who was from china originally. He did not promote natural medicine but he had the Way of thinking .That he cant recommend it if it was not what he was taught in medical school. But of you try something and it works for you then great.
one of the books they got was this one


http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/worst-pills-best-pills-sidney-m-wolfe/1112116498

here are a few other educational links on pills I just looked up these two

https://www.drugs.com/imprints.php


https://www.worstpills.org/

think it just is common sense that if you do not know what something is or what it does then why would you put it inside your body ? ?

 

[maniacalone]

100 percent agree. Serial killers at work. Incredibly sad to see police not being able to stop this or find the source.

 

[clu]

My understanding (from documentaries and media, no personal experience) is Fentanyl is a numbers game. The number of "lost" (killed) customers is offset by reductions in the cost of production/import and increases in the number it gets hooked.

 

[maniacalone]

My understanding (from documentaries and media, no personal experience) is Fentanyl is a numbers game. The number of "lost" (killed) customers is offset by reductions in the cost of production/import and increases in the number it gets hooked.

Recreational or casual users part of that equation? Easy to rationalize it when assuming only lower east side and impoverished will be victims. What about a working mother or father of two whom takes a hit of something to unwind after a busy work week and ends up dead because of it? Grander scale implications at play here.

https://www.statnews.com/2016/04/05/fentanyl-traced-to-china/

 

[clu]

Recreational or casual users part of that equation? Easy to rationalize it when assuming only lower east side and impoverished will be victims. What about a working mother or father of two whom takes a hit of something to unwind after a busy work week and ends up dead because of it? Grander scale implications at play here.

I'm absolutely not condoning this "reasoning" if that's what you're implying. I think it's horrific. That said I would expect that casual users are not as significant a revenue source to them while Fentanyl increases the potential for addiction, so yes it's consistent with this admittedly cold calculation.

 

[Warl0ck]

As for Fentanyl, well the rise of Fentanyl is because of the disappearance of Oxycotin. Oxy came on the market in 1996 and became the opioid of choice for addicts. In 2013, Prudue Pharma's patent expired (meaning you could generically produce it). The result was a disappearance of Oxy & the rise of Fentanyl. Nature, along with the drug market, abhors a vacuum. We keep making better, cheaper and more destructive drugs. Perhaps the one benefit of Fentanyl is that doesn't discriminate. It kills everyone including white middle class kids from the suburbs. Suddenly, everyone's paying attention to people that OD ignoring that there were times in the past in Vancouver when there were dozens of OD's from black tar heroin. Difference is now it's rich white kids dying not natives or destitute types in poor areas of the city.

Check out the book Jesus of Vancouver sometime. Really interesting book on two people & their fates as they made their way through drug culture in the DTES.

 

[maniacalone]

If oxy could be produced generically why would fetanyl replace it? Patent removal should lead to the price of oxy dropping and it becoming readily more available and affordable to sell on its own. Moreover, quite often fentanyl is being altered to look like oxy to sell to painkiller addicts, is it cheaper than the generic oxy to produce?

 

[Warl0ck]

I'd honestly have to look up the research but I don't believe Oxy was generically produced. Don't quote me, but I believe the replacement for Oxycotin was OxyNEO. You had to get 2 people to approve the prescription and it was nearly impossible to crush the pills. The result was a vacuum in the market of the most popular opioid ever.

I'm not a legal guy with respect to drug manufacturing so I don't know the exact details on the copyright, etc of Oxy.

 

[rlock]

Point is, Oxy (-contin, -codone, -Neo) were all legal products. The medical & pharma industry encouraged over-prescription, over-use, and even the black market that developed from their diversion. Some people hit the illicit drugs because that's the sort of life they've always lived, but it also now includes a lot of people who got their start on legal narcotics given to them in medical circumstances. Whatever medical taboo there once was against unnecessary opiate usage, it got broken. Now the white and black market have blurred into grey - legitimate pharmaceutical products flooding the streets for illicit uses. Addicting your customers is a great business model - look what it did for tobacco and credit cards. One end of the political spectrum does not want to use an enforcement approach to drug addiction; the other end does not want government to interfere in business & commerce. Addiction gets re-classified as a "chronic disease" requiring eternal treatment, rather than an act of exploitation where one person profits from the ruining of another. I almost agree with the OP - I do not see it as murder, so much as something else: slavery. If you're addicted, you're a slave - chemical shackles on you, controlling everything you do, probably for the rest of your life. As for the deaths, when did a slave's life mean very much to their master?

 

[johnsmit]

It seem very few think of it as murder even though the dealer are selling something they know can kill a person. It not just that drugs kill , this product is basically pure piosion..

The reality is that people have been convicted of murder in alcohol related deaths , where one man was killing native women buy giving them so much alcohol that they died of alcohol poisoning..That was considered murder . WHY is not selling lethal doses of fentanyl considered murder.

I do a gree with many of the comments about why it has not been addressed that way , but it is time to pull your head out of the sand and say "yes this is will full murder".

Is it only people that loss a friend , daughter or son and mother or father that think there is something very wrong with how this is all being looked at and delta with.

 

[LalaniElectrica]

johnsmit,

I absolutely agree with you, the numbers are staggering and I spoke with a good friend from Florida, BC has had 755 approx in 2016 (about 2 per day) and Florida has had 800 deaths in 2016 (2 per day)... That coincidence alone is frightening.

Imo it's chemical WAR fare, and people selling laced stuff should be found and suspected for terrorism and-or murder. I'm sure there are dealers out there who don't know their stuff is laced, but you know what they say, play with fire, and you are going to get burned!

Even if you are NOT a drug user and you are in the presence of, you still are risking your lives since only one grain of car-fentanyl could cause an OD which would be over before you could even get the antidote... There are safer injection sites here all over the west coast in your city...

The worst thing about the deaths is it's killing out young, able bodied people in their child rearing years (20-50 yr olds) who could also be considered "fighting" age if you were looking at it through that mindset.

The Cure is to GET CLEAN! Plz follow the links below to get help for yourself or others you love, there are detox and treatment centres all over Canada and North America so take the initiative and be the solution once and for all, before its too late! Help is there, waiting for you, all you need to do is take the first step.

http://www.bcrna.ca

http://www.ca-bc.org

http://www.aa.org

 

[LalaniElectrica]

unfortunately yes, it is one of the ways to control the masses... keep them braindead, distracted with drugs, video games, media etc... We are like sitting ducks, the few of us working like dogs to do the right thing, pay taxes for our health care etc, while our country falls apart as we try and help/support those who have been "taken" on this destructive journey, while less folks working means a financial crunch for the country while we support people though our public systems welfare and the like...The bubble will burst and either people will see what's going on and help, or we have little hope for the future with this epidemic taking our people. It's not a disease, it is WAR fare.

 

[booblover]

Oxy was changed to not make it able to be used by the usual addict. That was the decline in Oxy use. The manufacturers of opioid narcotics now had to come up with a cheap (because cheap=profits) alternative. Fentanyl was designed many years ago and was proven to be very strong, so in a dealers mind, he needs less of it for the same high which means better profits. Now that the manufactures in China and India know that there are huge profits, and very little chance of prosecution, expect to see many more new opioid concoctions hitting the streets of the World....

 

[booblover]

also in today's drug world, only an idiot doesn't know that Fentanyl is in almost every batch of smack. It is not a game of if I will OD but of when will I OD. Also people should expect to see it laced into anything a drug dealer sells from pot and its products to smack.

 

[oneoldone]

There is at least one country (singapore ) where conviction for dealing drugs results in the death penalty and even in that country they still have people who take the risk although the drug problem is not nearly as severe. The government needs to classify feyntanyl as a poison which is what it is and pass a special law resulting in long term sentences (with no parole) for any one caught dealing or in possession of a certain amount. Then just take the dealers and throw them in jail.

 

[Tugela]

Let's look back to the 80's for example. .. crack suddenly came out of nowhere and was flooded into North America. The CIA was responsible. Dark Alliance is a good book on that event.

Crack didn't come out of nowhere. It is cocaine, just used in a different way.

 

[westwoody]

also in today's drug world, only an idiot doesn't know that Fentanyl is in almost every batch of smack. It is not a game of if I will OD but of when will I OD. Also people should expect to see it laced into anything a drug dealer sells from pot and its products to smack.

This would require drug users to take responsibility for themselves.

 

[westwoody]

The government needs to classify feyntanyl as a poison which is what it is

Fentanyl is not a poison, it is a useful medical drug.
Also, "murder" is a very specific legal term. Look it up. Giving someone a drug laced with fentanyl is not murder.

 

[oneoldone]

Fentanyl is not a poison, it is a useful medical drug.
Also, "murder" is a very specific legal term. Look it up. Giving someone a drug laced with fentanyl is not murder.

fentanyl fits the definition of poison perfectly. The word murder is not in the post.