Looks Like Canucks Know Their History

[Cock Throppled]

Looks like the Canucks are starting to play just like past teams.

Play like shit most of the season, fall out of the playoff race, have end of season rally to win big for the last 10-15 games to either:

A- fall just short, but climb up enough to get worse draft choice, or

B- scrape into the playoffs by their fingernails to be knocked out in the first round.

That was the pattern for years and years. Nice to see it come back.

 

[Peyton Anders]

Option A sounds like Calgary, maybe you have your franchises confused.

I'd like to submit Option C which I call the "Los Angeles Kings" or "Philadelphia Flyers" model. Both teams where at the brink of being eliminated in the final game of the season (LA made it in with an OTW against San Jose in 2012, otherwise they would have been eliminated. Flyers in a SO win against the Rangers). The Kings then went on to have the most dominant Stanley Cup run in modern hockey, and the Flyers went to the SCF against Chicago in 2010.

My point? I don't cheer for losing. If you lose you lose and what a nice draft pick that is, but to cheer for a team to lose that you're supposed to support is pretty pathetic. This is Vancouver, not Edmonton, we don't hold Draft Day parties and get excited about sucking. The nice thing about the playoffs is that once they start anything could happen.

Do I think they're going to win the cup this year? No, but I'm fucking tickled damn pink that they're winning games on the back of Nicklas Jensen and Zack Kassian. You know, that whole youth thing everyone continuously bitches about. I'd take getting knocked out in the first round every damn time instead of turning into the post 2004 Edmonton Oilers everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

 

[fossa021]

Realistically, you have to admit, the future doesn't look too bright with Gillies at the helm. This team needs an overhaul.

 

[mcdead]

nuff said

 

[Peyton Anders]

Tend to agree with Peyton. Funny how that whole "shitty prospects in the system" theory can change so quickly with a couple of tweaks to the lineup. The emergence of Jensen, the added responsibilities and hopefully maturing of Kassian, Horvath and Shinkaruk and a couple of college signings on the horizon and suddenly the prospects look as good and maybe better than any other team in the league.

If they could only have erased that month of January.....

Add in Gaunce who has made massive strides and should at least push for a 4C spot next year, the Fox signing (2013-14 Erie Otters 67GP 64G 43A 107P), and the emergence of Cassels in Oshawa (who'd have seen that coming, in re-draft lists a lot of publications have him going early second round now instead of late 3rd). Gillis has actually done a really fantastic restocking of the cupboards after firing the residual scouting staff (ahem, 're-assigning' to hockey deadlands) left over from the Burke and Nonis era. The whole "Gillis can't draft" thing is a massive media clusterfuck perpetrated by the media who still like to bring up garbage like "WE COULD HAVE HAD KOPITAR INSTEAD OF BOURDON!".

 

[ValleyGuy]

I do agree the draft last year with Bo, Hunter and Cole was a good Canuck draft but I think Nichushkin has more upside than Bo. I fail to see the great strides Gaunce has made. He is still basically a point a game player, showed no physicality at Canuck camp which is needed to play the fourth line role. He also failed to make the World Junior team as a checking centre. You also slipped up on first round pick Jordan Schroeder and second rounder Alex Mallet.
I like the free agent signings of Eddie Lack, Dane Fox, Aaron Volpatti ( thanks Gillis for letting him go on waivers) Chris Tanev along with Mike Santorelli and Brad Richardson. Gillis has had his moments and his failures. Lets try to keep things in balance.

 

[grusse]

Option A sounds like Calgary, maybe you have your franchises confused.

I'd like to submit Option C which I call the "Los Angeles Kings" or "Philadelphia Flyers" model. Both teams where at the brink of being eliminated in the final game of the season (LA made it in with an OTW against San Jose in 2012, otherwise they would have been eliminated. Flyers in a SO win against the Rangers). The Kings then went on to have the most dominant Stanley Cup run in modern hockey, and the Flyers went to the SCF against Chicago in 2010.

My point? I don't cheer for losing. If you lose you lose and what a nice draft pick that is, but to cheer for a team to lose that you're supposed to support is pretty pathetic. This is Vancouver, not Edmonton, we don't hold Draft Day parties and get excited about sucking. The nice thing about the playoffs is that once they start anything could happen.

Do I think they're going to win the cup this year? No, but I'm fucking tickled damn pink that they're winning games on the back of Nicklas Jensen and Zack Kassian. You know, that whole youth thing everyone continuously bitches about. I'd take getting knocked out in the first round every damn time instead of turning into the post 2004 Edmonton Oilers everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

agree with Peyton,get into the dance&you never know.

in 2006 I believe Edmonton was #8 seed&they went to Game 7 vs.Carolina.minor thing, Peyton,I think I'd change it to Edmonton post 2006, but I agree with ur distaste for
Draft Day parties,esp. as the high picks have not translated to playoff appearances.

as Jannik Hansen says "play til there's 8 X's showing"

 

[Justin. Credible]

Option A sounds like Calgary, maybe you have your franchises confused.

I'd like to submit Option C which I call the "Los Angeles Kings" or "Philadelphia Flyers" model. Both teams where at the brink of being eliminated in the final game of the season (LA made it in with an OTW against San Jose in 2012, otherwise they would have been eliminated. Flyers in a SO win against the Rangers). The Kings then went on to have the most dominant Stanley Cup run in modern hockey, and the Flyers went to the SCF against Chicago in 2010.



My point? I don't cheer for losing. If you lose you lose and what a nice draft pick that is, but to cheer for a team to lose that you're supposed to support is pretty pathetic. This is Vancouver, not Edmonton, we don't hold Draft Day parties and get excited about sucking. The nice thing about the playoffs is that once they start anything could happen.

Do I think they're going to win the cup this year? No, but I'm fucking tickled damn pink that they're winning games on the back of Nicklas Jensen and Zack Kassian. You know, that whole youth thing everyone continuously bitches about. I'd take getting knocked out in the first round every damn time instead of turning into the post 2004 Edmonton Oilers everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

Love it! Love the positive attitude Peyton! Refreshing, since this is such a bandwagon town, I couldn't even give away my Canucks tickets this year, and that would of never happen 2 years ago! Good points on the Kings and Flyers! If you can lose all your games in January, it's possible to win 7 of 9 and sneak into the 8th spot! It be great to see a full line up...we wouldn't be in this hole! If Canucks could of been healthy at all this year, they would of had 4 good lines,

Burrows-Sedin-Sedin
Matthias-Kesler-Jensen
Higgins-Santorelli-Kassian
Booth-Richardson-Hansen

 

[Hoops]

That was the pattern for years and years. Nice to see it come back.

Why are you so happy to see it come back?

 

[Man Mountain]

Why are you so happy to see it come back?

Because he's a Canucks hater who loves to troll the (long suffering) Canuck fans.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Because he's a Canucks hater who loves to troll the (long suffering) Canuck fans.

I hate the entire organization for personal reasons, not just the usual fan-crap reasons, but I also realize the fan base in Vancouver is almost as delusional as the Toronto fan base in their expectations and failure to acknowledge what's in front of them.

This team sucks. When they were winning it was by falling behind and scoring flukey goals. Without amazing goalies bailing out the constant 3 on one and 2 on one rushes you can see where they are. They are a .500 team and played over their heads for a while. But, go ahead and plan out the future for all the young stars or hang your hat on David Booth and Kack Zassian.

My curse holds. They'll win a 649 before they win a Stanley Cup.

 

[Hoops]

I hate the entire organization for personal reasons, not just the usual fan-crap reasons, but I also realize the fan base in Vancouver is almost as delusional as the Toronto fan base in their expectations and failure to acknowledge what's in front of them.

This team sucks. When they were winning it was by falling behind and scoring flukey goals. Without amazing goalies bailing out the constant 3 on one and 2 on one rushes you can see where they are. They are a .500 team and played over their heads for a while. But, go ahead and plan out the future for all the young stars or hang your hat on David Booth and Kack Zassian.

My curse holds. They'll win a 649 before they win a Stanley Cup.

Personal reasons? hahaha Okay sure.

Goalies are part of the team. It's not cheating to have a good goalie.
That's a strange curse. How can a team win a 649?
If you're going to troll at least try to make some sense.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Personal reasons? hahaha Okay sure.

Goalies are part of the team. It's not cheating to have a good goalie.
That's a strange curse. How can a team win a 649?
If you're going to troll at least try to make some sense.

Let's see if I can simplify it enough for you - each player would have to win a lottery before the team would win a Stanley Cup.
(Anyway, there are group tickets, but most players won the lottery when they made it to the NHL.)
Personal - hockey teams don't exist in some magic box called a television. They do business with suppliers and contractors. And their employees interact with other people.
Amazing, huh?

 

[Hoops]

Let's see if I can simplify it enough for you - each player would have to win a lottery before the team would win a Stanley Cup.
(Anyway, there are group tickets, but most players won the lottery when they made it to the NHL.)
Personal - hockey teams don't exist in some magic box called a television. They do business with suppliers and contractors. And their employees interact with other people.
Amazing, huh?

Thanks for simplifying. Makes so much sense now! lol

You gave a business reason not a personal one but I'll let that slide.
Doesn't mean you have license to troll all the canucks fans here.
Keep your smug attitude to yourself.

 

[AA_Train]

Even if by some divine miracle the Canucks do get in, they are not like the LA Kings of 2012 where they had a ton of talent in their lineup and had the potential to upset. If they snatch up the 8 spot, they will most likely play the Blues and the Blues will DESTROY them. It won't even be close. The Sharks and the Ducks are better matchups for them but they don't really stand a chance against them either. The only fringe team to be feared by the top seeds is Dallas and they are so polarizing in their play. One game they dominate, the next they stink. This season it will be St.Louis out of the West, with an honourable mention to Colorado, who has impressed me greatly this year. Roy has them firing on all cylinders.

I will say that Jensen has impressed me. Total scorers mentality with this guy. He has a nose for the puck, just like Grabner did. Hope they don't make the same mistake and trade him away for crap players.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Jensen dropped to 4th line and benched last half of Thursday's game.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Thanks for simplifying. Makes so much sense now! lol

You gave a business reason not a personal one but I'll let that slide.
Doesn't mean you have license to troll all the canucks fans here.
Keep your smug attitude to yourself.

Business and personal dealings can cross over. Are you really that obtuse?

Pointing out the obvious and not towing the Canucks PR line about them being Stanley Cup contenders is considered trolling now?

Boy, have you drunk the Kool Aid.

 

[Hoops]

Business and personal dealings can cross over. Are you really that obtuse?

Pointing out the obvious and not towing the Canucks PR line about them being Stanley Cup contenders is considered trolling now?

Boy, have you drunk the Kool Aid.

Definitely can cross over. I've been there. that's the reason I let it slide.

Nobody here is (toeing the line?) calling the canucks contenders.
Don't try to paint your original post as anything but trolling all the canucks fans on this board.

 

[AA_Train]

Wow really so who forsaw that in Grabner's game. A lot of scouts weren't wowed by him when he played junior in Seattle. Book on him was he was a lightweight peripheral player who had an upside with speed. We already had one of those players in our roster with Mason Raymond. Raymond was projected to be more of a player by everyone in the canucks organization. When we made the deal Keith Ballard was a top 4 defenseman at a time when we needed depth on defense. Ballard was disliked by AV for numerous reasons. He was never really given a solid chance by AV in his time here or utilized in the way he could have been effective.

However remember Florida waived him for NOTHING. If vancouver kept grabner they would have had to have waived him too because there was no space on our roster. He got picked up by the New York Islanders got first line minutes on a terrible team and the rest is history

I never saw him play much in junior but during his brief time in Vancouver and during his early games with the Islanders, I could see he had a the skills and mentality as a finisher. He can't really play defense or do much else other than shoot the puck, but sometimes that's all you need. There are still value in players that may only have one or two key skills for a given team if they can find a fit. Maybe Grabner didn't fit in with the Canucks at that time but I think the organization undervalued him. He fit in great with the Islanders last year, though playing with John Tavares and Kyle Okposo didn't hurt either.

 

[Peyton Anders]

I never saw him play much in junior but during his brief time in Vancouver and during his early games with the Islanders, I could see he had a the skills and mentality as a finisher. He can't really play defense or do much else other than shoot the puck, but sometimes that's all you need. There are still value in players that may only have one or two key skills for a given team if they can find a fit. Maybe Grabner didn't fit in with the Canucks at that time but I think the organization undervalued him. He fit in great with the Islanders last year, though playing with John Tavares and Kyle Okposo didn't hurt either.

Grabner barely played with Tavares or Okposo last year. He played third line minutes and his most common linemates were Keith Aucoin (40.6% of TOI), Colin McDonald (37.2% of TOI), and Frans Nielsen (27.1%).

The year before (2011-12) he was second line playing with Okposo (40.8%) and Frans Nielsen (57.9%).

The year he was traded (2010-11) he was second line playing with Okposo (42%) and Frans Nielsen (62.6%). He really never actually plays with Tavares and his minutes have actually been dropping since his 30G season in 2010-11. Which was one year removed from Raymond's 25G season. Neither have been able to replicate their numbers since.

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