Lily @ Penthouse

[Bobo The Rabbit]

I was downtown and went into legends but out of the girls on shift who I had not seen before there was Eden and a new young girl. They both said they don't do sGFE the first time so I decided to leave as I was hoping to do a review for you guys.
I saw penthouse had a Asian girl listed and I figured I'd try her. Went over to penthouse (which has won back some respect due to girls like Alexis and Lexi) and asked to meet all the girls.
I met Gemini (black girl) who said she was good with sGFE and gave me a really warm and positive feeling and the other two girls I met one was also good with what I was looking for but she was booked.
Then I met Lily who said she was okay with sGFE and even when I asked if she was okay with French kissing she said yes. It was a quick meet and greet and I didn't get a positive vibe or a negative one but I'm a sucker for Asian girls so I went with her. I kind of expect management to make sure girls are honest about their menu.

She came back to the room and I went to hug her and she pulled away. Yea first sign that this was going to be bad, however I had already put the donation out and she took the $300.

Lily is in no way a sGFE girl, not in attitude or service.
Now the session would of been a good FS session with a sweet girl who's actually nice to talk to and as far as looks go she is a pretty Asian girl (no make up, black hair) and she is super sweet.
She was no way comfortable with kissing and I had brushed, chewed gum and had mouth wash after my shower. She also was not comfortable with DATY and moved herself away, not comfortable at all.

I can not recommend her as she lied and charged me $300 for basic FS. I did get the full hour, it's just that FS was not what I was looking for and I should of see Gemini as she gave me a good vibe but I'm a sucker for Asian girls and waste a lot of money chasing the next meimei or jolynn for you guys.

L/A/S
7/7/5

Now even if I had gone in looking for FS and and she charged me the proper 240-260 I could not recommend her as we all know there's a lot of Asian micro girls who charge 220 and look as good if not better.

 

[Dark_Knight]

That really sucks! Thanks for toftt. I see you mentioned Jolynn. I only saw her once, but wow did I ever have a great time with her! I kick myself in the ass for not seeing her a few more times!

 

[prairie_boy]

some time ago I went in to Penthouse to see who I might meet on short notice and met Lexi, who was busy in a few moments and Lily. I thought Lily was quite pretty, but between the quoted $320 and the totally frosty, actually ICE COLD attitude when i met her, I decided to bail right then.

If she gives that impression at the initial meeting, why bother? There is a hell of a lot better to be had at Paradise, Cloud 9, or Platinum at $$40/hr if you have the taste for Asians. Tempted though I have been, I've never partaken at the micros as it seems one step too far. I prefer my establishments to be licensed I guess. But I digress....


Thanks Bobo

 

[bear2]

why does GFE have to be so important? it's a massage parlour not a dating service

 

[Bobo The Rabbit]

If I'm having sex with someone it's usually better if its passionate and that involves kissing. When a girls not willing to do that then it's blatantly obvious she is JUST doing this for the money and is not very comfortable. I don't want to spend my money or time with someone who can't provide me with the best possible time.
If I just wanted a hot 18-25 year old to bend over and have my way with and I didn't care about her attitude or service then every girl over 25 would have no clients.

I am paying for a good time and the time is better when it's GFE. I have no interest in the girls as anything besides a service provider.

 

[littlejonny]

Always trust your instincts.

 

[bear2]

I was with Tianna at Legends once and asked if she does GFE and she said she doesn't, that it's purely the girl's decision, and she's correct. I respected that, I didn't question her. Kissing spreads germs, it spreads herpes, why should any girl take a chance on that? She gets herpes from a client, she can't work. Be gentlemen and respect the lady's decision

 

[ThisEndUp]

I thought safeGFE excluded any daty, bbbj, dfk, digits, etc. (no fluids exchanged)

Has it changed again? I need a program...

 

[satinguy]

Be gentlemen and respect the lady's decision

I agree bear2, and I won't ever negotiate the services the lady offers but in this case Bobo indicated she was okay with safeGFE and if the lady agrees in advance she should not change the menu after pocketing the cash. AS Bobo pointed out 2 other girls stated up front they weren't comfortable with safeGFE so just my opinion but Bobo was within his right to expect this service after it was discussed and paid for in advance.

I thought safeGFE excluded any daty, bbbj, dfk, digits, etc. (no fluids exchanged)

Has it changed again? I need a program...

I think you are dead on in your definition of safeGFE. It may be 2012 and outdated already like mine but I do like your idea of the program.

Thanks Bobo for the good honest review. Can't disagree with anything in your review as far expectations and rates.

 

[Bobo The Rabbit]

sGFE is covered blow job but still includes LFK or DFK and DATY. It's called safe GFE because there's no BBBJ.
If you remove DATY and French kissing then the session is just FS.

Full service = Sex/BJ with condom costs 240-260 in MP
SGFE = Sex + Light French Kissing/Deep French kissing + DATY(oral on the girl)+ Covered Blow Job costs 300 in MP (some will provide for less)
GFE = Sex + LFK/DFK + DATY + BBBJ (Bare back blow job no condom) also costs $300

These are the definitions, these are industry standards. If sGFE was no kissing no DATY CBJ then what makes it different from FS? What are Guys paying an extra $60 for?

This is not up for debate.

As satin pointed out she agreed to sGFE but changed her menu once cash was in hand. Please read before questioning a review bear.

 

[ThisEndUp]

I agree bear2, and I won't ever negotiate the services the lady offers but in this case Bobo indicated she was okay with safeGFE and if the lady agrees in advance she should not change the menu after pocketing the cash. AS Bobo pointed out 2 other girls stated up front they weren't comfortable with safeGFE so just my opinion but Bobo was within his right to expect this service after it was discussed and paid for in advance.



I think you are dead on in your definition of safeGFE. It may be 2012 and outdated already like mine but I do like your idea of the program.

Thanks Bobo for the good honest review. Can't disagree with anything in your review as far expectations and rates.

sGFE is covered blow job but still includes LFK or DFK and DATY. It's called safe GFE because there's no BBBJ.
If you remove DATY and French kissing then the session is just FS.

Full service = Sex/BJ with condom costs 240-260 in MP
SGFE = Sex + Light French Kissing/Deep French kissing + DATY(oral on the girl)+ Covered Blow Job costs 300 in MP (some will provide for less)
GFE = Sex + LFK/DFK + DATY + BBBJ (Bare back blow job no condom) also costs $300

These are the definitions, these are industry standards. If sGFE was no kissing no DATY CBJ then what makes it different from FS? What are Guys paying an extra $60 for?

This is not up for debate.

As satin pointed out she agreed to sGFE but changed her menu once cash was in hand. Please read before questioning a review bear.[

Strange, Satin guy agrees with me, so it is open for debate, yet you don't crap on him?

Interesting, as this "safe"gfe bs is exactly what us old timers have been asking WHY are we paying an extra 60 bucks

A review BEAR? Nope, as per your handle, a bunny rabbit with delusions of granduer

"Over 10 years, 1337 posts, over 160 different girls reviewed, My opinion matters more than yours."

Nope, it really doesn't

 

[jim]

Strange, Satin guy agrees with me, so it is open for debate, yet you don't crap on him?

Interesting, as this "safe"gfe bs is exactly what us old timers have been asking WHY are we paying an extra 60 bucks

A review BEAR? Nope, as per your handle, a bunny rabbit with delusions of granduer

"Over 10 years, 1337 posts, over 160 different girls reviewed, My opinion matters more than yours."

Nope, it really doesn't

Good call TEU

Yup, some know it all's actually believe the drivel in their sigs. That's why I have that person on ignore.

 

[Dark_Knight]

As far as the sGFE/GFE debate, we can debate this issue until we are blue in the face. The fact of the matter is a lot of ladies advertise themselves as GFE, but what each girl's GFE consists of is different.

I have seen many ladies that said they were sGFE, and the only exclusion was the BBBJ which was replaced with a CBJ.

Hell, I was at Legends before and Tianna was trying to upsell me to her "GFE" package, and so I asked what it was, it didn't include LFK, DFK, DATY, or BBBJ, but she would kiss all over my body more than for just the fs rate. That is why it is important to find out from the lady what their individual definition of GFE or sGFE is for that matter.

 

[satinguy]

As far as the sGFE/GFE debate, we can debate this issue until we are blue in the face. The fact of the matter is a lot of ladies advertise themselves as GFE, but what each girl's GFE consists of is different.

Well said DK,

I have only been in this game for about 2 years but I know guys on this Board and others who have been around for over 20 years and I have asked this question about GFE/FS more than once and I still can't get a definitive answer on the difference. I once asked a lady the difference between her PSE and GFE packages and aside from a $100 difference the only thing i could see different was a BBBJ compared to CBJ. A high premium to lose the cover in my opinion so i passed.

THis is why the reviews are vital. If there are some services like DATY, DFK, and BBBJ that a person is seeking then there are plenty of ladies that offer this as part of the GFE package. I honestly don't know the definition or if such thing exists but i do agree that if you asked 10 different girls the same question you get more than 1 answer, likely 5 or 6.

Now i can only recall one time where the Lady limited the service but she was up front about it and never tried to upsell me. She directed me to the a couple of reviews and through that i gathered no kissing, no daty, and everything covered which i was fine with at the time and resepcted her boundaries. MSOG was offerred and accepted and i would call it a good session but in no way was it GFE and in fairnesss to her she did not call it that either.

Clearly the rates and serices vary but i do believe in getting what was agreed to and paid for and i still don't think Bobo got that in his session. I have a new one to make this debate scratch that word DISCUSSION even more confusing. How about a Non FS session for $$$. Anybody know what you get for that? Does the girl take her clothes off? Is there any type of release involved? It is happening here in E-town and maybe it is great I can't say but guys are paying for it.

 

[jim]

Well said DK and Satinguy. Bottom line, with few exceptions the MPs are not the place to go for extended services at a decent price. If you insist on playing in the MP playground prepare (again in most cases) to get burned and separated from more cash than you should.

 

[ThisEndUp]

Well said DK,

I have only been in this game for about 2 years but I know guys on this Board and others who have been around for over 20 years and I have asked this question about GFE/FS more than once and I still can't get a definitive answer on the difference. I once asked a lady the difference between her PSE and GFE packages and aside from a $100 difference the only thing i could see different was a BBBJ compared to CBJ. A high premium to lose the cover in my opinion so i passed.

THis is why the reviews are vital. If there are some services like DATY, DFK, and BBBJ that a person is seeking then there are plenty of ladies that offer this as part of the GFE package. I honestly don't know the definition or if such thing exists but i do agree that if you asked 10 different girls the same question you get more than 1 answer, likely 5 or 6.

Now i can only recall one time where the Lady limited the service but she was up front about it and never tried to upsell me. She directed me to the a couple of reviews and through that i gathered no kissing, no daty, and everything covered which i was fine with at the time and resepcted her boundaries. MSOG was offerred and accepted and i would call it a good session but in no way was it GFE and in fairnesss to her she did not call it that either.

Clearly the rates and serices vary but i do believe in getting what was agreed to and paid for and i still don't think Bobo got that in his session. I have a new one to make this debate scratch that word DISCUSSION even more confusing. How about a Non FS session for $$$. Anybody know what you get for that? Does the girl take her clothes off? Is there any type of release involved? It is happening here in E-town and maybe it is great I can't say but guys are paying for it.

Well said DK and Satinguy. Bottom line, with few exceptions the MPs are not the place to go for extended services at a decent price. If you insist on playing in the MP playground prepare (again in most cases) to get burned and separated from more cash than you should.

Agreed jim, dk and satinguy. Buyer beware indeed

 

[Bobo The Rabbit]

If you have me on ignore then how are you seeing my review threads? (For that matter why come in here?) You haven't posted a review in years, not only that you creep touring girls out by pming them to talk but never booking with them...

When I said bear I was talking about the user "bear"

My definitions are industry standard. Any girls who are trying to sell you FS and labelling it GFE or sGFE are just ripping guys off. Girls can say whatever they want but they don't pay for sessions and they don't post reviews so their words are worthless.

 

[ThisEndUp]

If you have me on ignore then how are you seeing my review threads? (For that matter why come in here?) You haven't posted a review in years, not only that you creep touring girls out by pming them to talk but never booking with them...

When I said bear I was talking about the user "bear"

My definitions are industry standard. Any girls who are trying to sell you FS and labelling it GFE or sGFE are just ripping guys off. Girls can say whatever they want but they don't pay for sessions and they don't post reviews so their words are worthless.

Strange, that such a long time member with such a high post count and superiority complex is too clueless to understand that IGNORE is defeated when quoted...

You seem to use "industry standard" and "agreed" a lot. When and where was this agreed to by the consumers of this industry

Maybe you're also one of the kartel that has jacked rates and degraded service in the mp's to the point that the sp's now have to work bp 24/7 and place themselves in danger

Most interesting you try to quote number of sessions, as I far out number yours as I go back a lot further than your paltry 10 years sunny

Now please explain why you are harassing me by spreading lies, I don't pm the traveling gals. That's a swing and a miss

Mod's, please check my pm posting history (yes you can do that, administrators have many powers on a VB board) and I expect bobo top be dealt with accordingly

 

[bear2]

oh well if she took your money without providing the service promised, then yes that is very not right, possibly illegal and you have every right to file a grievance. I am told that if you voluntarily give the girl money and she steals from you, the customer has no legal recourse, yes? In other words, it's not robbery cause you placed your money in the girl's hands. Now let's view the scenario where the girl doesn't do what she promised but she already has your money in her hands, I'm told that if you tried to take back your money away from her, such as grabbing her arm and forcefully taking back your money, that would be considered robbery and she could call the police on the customer, is this correct? It sounds like the law is more on the side of protecting the female than protecting the male

 

[jim]

oh well if she took your money without providing the service promised, then yes that is very not right, possibly illegal and you have every right to file a grievance. I am told that if you voluntarily give the girl money and she steals from you, the customer has no legal recourse, yes? In other words, it's not robbery cause you placed your money in the girl's hands. Now let's view the scenario where the girl doesn't do what she promised but she already has your money in her hands, I'm told that if you tried to take back your money away from her, such as grabbing her arm and forcefully taking back your money, that would be considered robbery and she could call the police on the customer, is this correct? It sounds like the law is more on the side of protecting the female than protecting the male

Are you serious???

You are looking at the law to protect you in an exchange of funds with a sex worker? You know you can't go to the cops you need to call Global Tv and ask their consumer affairs reporter to investigate. Jeez!