Liberals to promise a complete ban of all handguns?
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Ban Liberals not guns!
Think about how banning Liberals would affect the crime rate....Without Liberal Judges, sentences would be longer and give criminals second thoughts. Without Liberals, prisons would be focused more on punishment rather than rehab, making prison a place you don't want to go...so you don't offend. Since about 1% of crime is committed with legal guns why not ban Liberals instead?
Think about how banning Liberals would affect the crime rate....Without Liberal Judges, sentences would be longer and give criminals second thoughts. Without Liberals, prisons would be focused more on punishment rather than rehab, making prison a place you don't want to go...so you don't offend. Since about 1% of crime is committed with legal guns why not ban Liberals instead?
Couldn't agree more. What purpose do handguns serve beyond killing people? You wanna target shoot? Use a fuckin pellet gun. Our Constituition doesn't provide for the persoanl ownrship of guns anymore than it provides for the personal use of C4. You wanta hunt? go ahead, but you can't do much hunting of legal game with handguns!rambler6 said:
If anyone wants to argue our Constitutional right on this matter, be my guest!
"For example, a review of 13 countries showed that there was a strong correlation between gun ownership and both homicide with a gun and overall homicide rates (Killias excluded Northern Ireland from the analysis because of the level of civil unrest). In an analysis of 14 countries, the correlation between gun ownership and gun suicide was also significant, as was the correlation of gun ownership with overall suicide rates. Killias found no evidence of a compensation process whereby other means were substituted with firearms. (Killias, M. "International Correlations between Gun Ownership and Rate of Homicide and Suicide." Canadian Medical Association Journal. 1993;148 (10): 1721-5)"robb said:
Source: Miller, T. and Cohen, M. "Costs of Gunshot and Cut/Stab Wounds in the United States, with some Canadian Comparisons. " Accid Anal Prev 1997; 29 (3): 329-41.
The research has shown that when other factors are held constant, the gun death rises in proportion to the rate of gun ownership. One study found a 92% correlation between households with guns and firearm death rates both within Canada and in comparable industrialized countries.
Other studies show that increased risks are associated with keeping guns in the home:
* Homicide of a family member is 2.7 times more likely to occur in a home with a firearm than in homes without guns. Keeping one or more firearms was associated with a 4.8 fold increased risk of suicide in the home.
* The risks increase, particularly for adolescents, where the guns are kept loaded and unlocked.
http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/TheCaseForGunControl.html
Good research!Webster said:"For example, a review of 13 countries showed that there was a strong correlation between gun ownership and both homicide with a gun and overall homicide rates (Killias excluded Northern Ireland from the analysis because of the level of civil unrest). In an analysis of 14 countries, the correlation between gun ownership and gun suicide was also significant, as was the correlation of gun ownership with overall suicide rates. Killias found no evidence of a compensation process whereby other means were substituted with firearms. (Killias, M. "International Correlations between Gun Ownership and Rate of Homicide and Suicide." Canadian Medical Association Journal. 1993;148 (10): 1721-5)"
Source: Miller, T. and Cohen, M. "Costs of Gunshot and Cut/Stab Wounds in the United States, with some Canadian Comparisons. " Accid Anal Prev 1997; 29 (3): 329-41.
The research has shown that when other factors are held constant, the gun death rises in proportion to the rate of gun ownership. One study found a 92% correlation between households with guns and firearm death rates both within Canada and in comparable industrialized countries.
Other studies show that increased risks are associated with keeping guns in the home:
* Homicide of a family member is 2.7 times more likely to occur in a home with a firearm than in homes without guns. Keeping one or more firearms was associated with a 4.8 fold increased risk of suicide in the home.
* The risks increase, particularly for adolescents, where the guns are kept loaded and unlocked.
http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/TheCaseForGunControl.html
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Well....as with every stats, it could be interpreted in any way you choose. the "high" homicide rate with registered gun owners could be just 1% of the entire guns related homicide overall. not to turn this into a social-econ issue, but notice that it's the "poorer" places (stats from '93, some places listed not in current economic boom)that seems to have more of a guns problem?
anyways, back to the guns issue, maybe they should follow chris rock's advice. make each single bullet costs $5000, "after shooting you, i'm gonna follow you to the hospital to get my bullet back!" lol
Well....as with every stats, it could be interpreted in any way you choose. the "high" homicide rate with registered gun owners could be just 1% of the entire guns related homicide overall. not to turn this into a social-econ issue, but notice that it's the "poorer" places (stats from '93, some places listed not in current economic boom)that seems to have more of a guns problem?
anyways, back to the guns issue, maybe they should follow chris rock's advice. make each single bullet costs $5000, "after shooting you, i'm gonna follow you to the hospital to get my bullet back!" lol
Yah ok, stats have come a long way, have you used SSPS to come up with your conclusions? How do you think they come up with crime mapping now smartguy?festealth said:^ ^
Well....as with every stats, it could be interpreted in any way you choose. the "high" homicide rate with registered gun owners could be just 1% of the entire guns related homicide overall. not to turn this into a social-econ issue, but notice that it's the "poorer" places (stats from '93, some places listed not in current economic boom)that seems to have more of a guns problem?
anyways, back to the guns issue, maybe they should follow chris rock's advice. make each single bullet costs $5000, "after shooting you, i'm gonna follow you to the hospital to get my bullet back!" lol
I have.Randy Whorewald said:Haven't we had enough bullshit with the Billion $ Gun Registry already???
I believe everyone in Canada is fed up with our idotic goverment and their solutions at stamping out crime. Some on this board post negative but only to stir the pot. I don't believe what they post is what they believe.
If your pro or con handgun ban you'll can find some source of info to back up your belief.
The majority of the formation you'll find is rubbish to say the least with no merit.
And if citizens want to commit suicide they'll find the means with or without guns.
Lets stay focused the concern in Canada with Ottawa is gun violence used in a crime. There is no evidence that would support taking handguns away from honest gun owners would eliminate the violence we are seeing. NONE!!!!
When the dumbfucks in Ottawa do their study they'll come to the conclusion that banning handguns won't stop the guns that are entering Canada from being used in the majority of the crimes we are seeing today. NONE!!!
The mother of the skateboarder who died last weekend who thinks banning handguns is the solution to stamping out gun violence is just ignorant. Thats okay in time we'll educate her.
Lets do the studies, look at the facts. The evidence is right there.
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Kev said:
Really? Maybe you should look at these recent stats:
http://www.google.ca/search?hs=uLH&...q=head+death+guns+in+canada&btnG=Search&meta=
The devil is starting to come out in the details of Paul Martin's dumb "crime strategy".
There is still going to be an exemption for handgun target shooters. The plan calls for closing down the "collectors" category of handgun owning. That seems to be about it.
Right now there are basically just the two categories of handgun owners in Canada (other than police, military, etc.): target shooters and collectors. Target shooters will be able to keep their guns. Collectors will have to become "target shooters" in order to keep their guns.
So really it is all just a bullshit political game... Paul Martin trying to shore up Liberal support in Toronto. It probably won't have much effect in practical terms, as most handgun owners are in the target shooting category.
In order to legally buy a handgun in this country now, a person needs to go through 2 different courses, submit all manner of personal info to the government, pay for a licence, wait for the government to check them out, join a gun club/shooting range, store the gun in a locked safe with a trigger lock, and obtain and submit an "Authorization to Transport" form which outlines a route from the gunowners home to their shooting range, keep the ATT with the gun in the case in the trunk of their vehicle, etc., etc.
Anyone who would go through all of this to use a gun in a crime.... well, there is no need to finish that sentence.... no one is going to do any of this and then use the gun for crime, and the statistics show that in spades.
So why are the collectors, being targeted in this latest round of moronic clamp-down? I guess they are just a small group that the government is willing to sacrifice the rights of in order to make it look like they are doing something about gun crime - even though there is absolutely no connection between gun crime and gun collectors. How many 60 year old men have you heard of committing crime with vintange 19th century Colt revolvers? Ummmm... zero? Ever?
Arming the Canadian Border Services Agents (which apparently is coming very soon... hot on the heels of the new armed Transit Police - which is provincial jurisdiction though), more police and customs resources, better training, etc. these might make a difference. But for God sakes... destroying the remnants of the legal hangun industry (or in this case just collectors) because illegal guns are being used in crimes in Toronto (and to a lesser extent in Vancouver)... everyone knows that it just doesn't make any sense of any kind.
This whole handgun debacle has just proven for the umpteenth time that Paul Martin is a loser, someone with no leadership skills and no good ideas about public policy. Time to put his government out of it's misery once and for all... triggering another Liberal leadership race (C'mon John Manley! Please not Brian Tobin!)
So remember that my fellow Canadians. Paul Martin is a sanctimonious, holier-than-thou blowhard that has been a disaster as a PM and has seriously harmed many areas of Canada's public policy, not least of which our international reputation and standing, during his short time in office. Time to give him the boot!
Goodbye Mr. Dithers!
There is still going to be an exemption for handgun target shooters. The plan calls for closing down the "collectors" category of handgun owning. That seems to be about it.
Right now there are basically just the two categories of handgun owners in Canada (other than police, military, etc.): target shooters and collectors. Target shooters will be able to keep their guns. Collectors will have to become "target shooters" in order to keep their guns.
So really it is all just a bullshit political game... Paul Martin trying to shore up Liberal support in Toronto. It probably won't have much effect in practical terms, as most handgun owners are in the target shooting category.
In order to legally buy a handgun in this country now, a person needs to go through 2 different courses, submit all manner of personal info to the government, pay for a licence, wait for the government to check them out, join a gun club/shooting range, store the gun in a locked safe with a trigger lock, and obtain and submit an "Authorization to Transport" form which outlines a route from the gunowners home to their shooting range, keep the ATT with the gun in the case in the trunk of their vehicle, etc., etc.
Anyone who would go through all of this to use a gun in a crime.... well, there is no need to finish that sentence.... no one is going to do any of this and then use the gun for crime, and the statistics show that in spades.
So why are the collectors, being targeted in this latest round of moronic clamp-down? I guess they are just a small group that the government is willing to sacrifice the rights of in order to make it look like they are doing something about gun crime - even though there is absolutely no connection between gun crime and gun collectors. How many 60 year old men have you heard of committing crime with vintange 19th century Colt revolvers? Ummmm... zero? Ever?
Arming the Canadian Border Services Agents (which apparently is coming very soon... hot on the heels of the new armed Transit Police - which is provincial jurisdiction though), more police and customs resources, better training, etc. these might make a difference. But for God sakes... destroying the remnants of the legal hangun industry (or in this case just collectors) because illegal guns are being used in crimes in Toronto (and to a lesser extent in Vancouver)... everyone knows that it just doesn't make any sense of any kind.
This whole handgun debacle has just proven for the umpteenth time that Paul Martin is a loser, someone with no leadership skills and no good ideas about public policy. Time to put his government out of it's misery once and for all... triggering another Liberal leadership race (C'mon John Manley! Please not Brian Tobin!)
So remember that my fellow Canadians. Paul Martin is a sanctimonious, holier-than-thou blowhard that has been a disaster as a PM and has seriously harmed many areas of Canada's public policy, not least of which our international reputation and standing, during his short time in office. Time to give him the boot!
Goodbye Mr. Dithers!
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Don't mean to disrespsct you Ghost, Cause I highly repect you but:ghostie said:The devil is starting to come out in the details of Paul Martin's dumb "crime strategy".
There is still going to be an exemption for handgun target shooters. The plan calls for closing down the "collectors" category of handgun owning. That seems to be about it.
Right now there are basically just the two categories of handgun owners in Canada (other than police, military, etc.): target shooters and collectors. Target shooters will be able to keep their guns. Collectors will have to become "target shooters" in order to keep their guns.
So really it is all just a bullshit political game... Paul Martin trying to shore up Liberal support in Toronto. It probably won't have much effect in practical terms, as most handgun owners are in the target shooting category.
In order to legally buy a handgun in this country now, a person needs to go through 2 different courses, submit all manner of personal info to the government, pay for a licence, wait for the government to check them out, join a gun club/shooting range, store the gun in a locked safe with a trigger lock, and obtain and submit an "Authorization to Transport" form which outlines a route from the gunowners home to their shooting range, keep the ATT with the gun in the case in the trunk of their vehicle, etc., etc.
Anyone who would go through all of this to use a gun in a crime.... well, there is no need to finish that sentence.... no one is going to do any of this and then use the gun for crime, and the statistics show that in spades.
So why are the collectors, being targeted in this latest round of moronic clamp-down? I guess they are just a small group that the government is willing to sacrifice the rights of in order to make it look like they are doing something about gun crime - even though there is absolutely no connection between gun crime and gun collectors. How many 60 year old men have you heard of committing crime with vintange 19th century Colt revolvers? Ummmm... zero? Ever?
Arming the Canadian Border Services Agents (which apparently is coming very soon... hot on the heels of the new armed Transit Police - which is provincial jurisdiction though), more police and customs resources, better training, etc. these might make a difference. But for God sakes... destroying the remnants of the legal hangun industry (or in this case just collectors) because illegal guns are being used in crimes in Toronto (and to a lesser extent in Vancouver)... everyone knows that it just doesn't make any sense of any kind.
This whole handgun debacle has just proven for the umpteenth time that Paul Martin is a loser, someone with no leadership skills and no good ideas about public policy. Time to put his government out of it's misery once and for all... triggering another Liberal leadership race (C'mon John Manley! Please not Brian Tobin!)
So remeber that my fellow Canadians. Paul Martin is a sanctimonious, holier-than-thou blowhard that has been a disaster as a PM and has seriously harmed many areas of Canada's public policy, not least of which our international reputation and standing, in his short time in office. Time to give him the boot!
Goodbye Mr. Dithers!
Discombobbled said:Don't mean to disrespsect you Ghost, Cause I highly repect you but: Part 111 84.1 says it all.
You guys complain too much. Just wait until Mr. Bible-thumping family-man Harper announces his plan to crack down on prostitution. You will forget this whole ban hand gun thing ever happened. Of course Harper might not announce he is cracking down on prostitution until after he is elected just like a lot of other closet right-wing policies they have in mind. At least Martin has the balls to be open with his platform.
At least Martin has the balls to be open with his platform.Who's this Harper you speak of?S.G. Gibson said:You guys complain too much. Just wait until Mr. Bible-thumping family-man Harper announces his plan to crack down on prostitution. You will forget this whole ban hand gun thing ever happened. Of course Harper might not announce he is cracking down on prostitution until after he is elected just like a lot of other closet right-wing policies they have in mind.
I don't think that Part III of the Criminal Code (the firearms part of that Act, see link) says it all. All that 84(1) is, is the interpretation section (definitions, etc.) for that part.Discombobbled said:Don't mean to disrespsect you Ghost, Cause I highly repect you but: Part 111 84.1 says it all.
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-46/42061.html
In order get a sense of the law regulating firearms in this country you have to go well beyond the Code, at least into the Firearms Act (see link), and really, you have to look at the Regulations to the Firearms Act as well. A good place to start is the Canadian Firearms Centre's website (see next link)
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/F-11.6/
http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/
Hmmm, interesting. Kudos to you Ghost,something I'll have to look into. Thanks my brothers in armsghostie said:
Nevermind guns, it appears that the party most likely to legalize prostitution is those N-Democrats. Now I don't know much about them but legalizing prostitution is pretty high on my priority list.
But as for guns, I heard on the radio that most are coming up through the border. What's wrong with Canadian border patrol? One reason I like Canada is it is relatively safe from gun violence as opposed to the major cities in the US. I sure hope it doesn't start looking like (or rather, sounding like - "pop pop" every once in awhile) San Fran here anytime soon.
But as for guns, I heard on the radio that most are coming up through the border. What's wrong with Canadian border patrol? One reason I like Canada is it is relatively safe from gun violence as opposed to the major cities in the US. I sure hope it doesn't start looking like (or rather, sounding like - "pop pop" every once in awhile) San Fran here anytime soon.
