Legalizing Prostitution in Canada

[maude]

Fri Dr Keith Marting, Liberal MP, floated the prospects of legalizing prostitution while being interviewed on CFAX 1070 . . . today CFAX is polling audiences on the question . . .. results as follows:

http://www.cfax1070.com/polls.php?poll=365

 

[LonelyGhost]

way overdue ... lots of European countries have legalized it
and are not burning in hell ...

 

[MadBee]

about fucking time they got there act together it would help contral all the drugs and women getting hurt and robbed. I hope it passes.

 

[vancouver.2007]

Legalizes prostitution

Firstly I can think that of all the people here in Perb the only "No" you would get would be from the people who manage the ladies and receive money from their illegal efforts. The rest of us would be happy to have it legalized yet I am sure it will never be. If I am correct, the act of prostitution in Canada is not illegal at all it is the solicitation and negotiation of it in a public place, perhaps a legal mind will set us all straight in that regard.

I would love to see it legalized and feel it absolutely should be and I cast my vote that way. However I am sure we will never have it legalized here due to the stupidity of many in Ottawa, I think they are affraid if their spouces knew they approved of it then that may cause them trouble.

We also have a noisy group of people who feel that we should all live under their values.

Legalize it, regulate it, clean it up and there will be much less danger to the lady and the client then there is now.

 

[maude]

As recalled from the sound-bites responding to Dr Martin's proposal, most were positive and supportive of the concept.

 

[87112]

This is North America we are talking about. I would be willing to give someone 20 to 1 odds it wont happen. Max bet is 100 bucks.

 

[georgebushmoron]

Don't legalize it, decriminalize it instead. Legalization paves the way for government regulation of such things as health checkups, permitted areas where prostitution can occur, etc. While this is all good for the consumer, it is not necessarily what the SPs want. Under government regulation also comes government control - and taxes. Many women who work the sex trade do so because it is a profitable cash business outside of regulation. Many don't need the government telling them where they can work, how much income to report, to submit medical reports, etc. Most men will also not want to submit identification if it is ever required, which could be used nefariously by government and police agencies. Legalization paves the way for regularization, and participants in the sex trade typically want to be as anonymous about it as possible. Because of regularization, many will avoid it and be driven underground - and thus be working illegally.

By decriminalizing it, participants in the sex trade (particularly providers) are doing something that is technically illegal but a blind eye is turned towards it. The women can then continue to do the work undetected, and will assume full control of health and safety matters as they always have. A competent and cautious woman will likely not get into too much danger in the span of her 'career' without the government's help anyway.

 

[tedsweettangv]

I didn't think it was illegal now? Solicitation, operating a common bawdy house, living off the avails of prostitution are all illegal in Canada but I didn't think prostitution itself was. Am I wrong? Right or wrong, and that includes the enforcement of these laws, impact prostitution but I thought laws around prostitution were mostly local civic bylaws. The living off the avails of laws were meant to stop exploitation and the Solicitation and bawdy house laws were meant to stop nuisance problems. Again, I could be wrong but I think what is wanted is regulation, taxation because with it comes enforcement and protection.

 

[rickoshadows]

Don't legalize it, decriminalize it instead. Legalization paves the way for government regulation of such things as health checkups, permitted areas where prostitution can occur, etc. While this is all good for the consumer, it is not necessarily what the SPs want. Under government regulation also comes government control - and taxes. Many women who work the sex trade do so because it is a profitable cash business outside of regulation. Many don't need the government telling them where they can work, how much income to report, to submit medical reports, etc. Most men will also not want to submit identification if it is ever required, which could be used nefariously by government and police agencies. Legalization paves the way for regularization, and participants in the sex trade typically want to be as anonymous about it as possible. Because of regularization, many will avoid it and be driven underground - and thus be working illegally.

I don't like paying taxes either, but I have to. After all, it is taxes which pay for the medical services, police, fire and other emergency services which SPs rely on just as much as anyone else. Legalizing activities associated with prostitution would remove service providers from the limbo in which they now exist. Escort services and Massage parlors pay exhorbitant licence fees to local governments with absolutely no protection. If some holier than thou, spinster decides to whine to the press, every local politician runs for cover and leaves the Sex workers twisting in the wind. In conversation with an SP the other day, I likened to paying protection money but without the protection.

 

[LeBeau]

It will not happen. Canada is a neighbor to the US and the US is ruled by hypocritical religious right-wing zealots who are against any kind of public related sex. And, the Neo-Feminist will not let it happen.

Although the American religious right-wingers are against public sex (e.g., escorts, dancers, nudity in film, etc.), they secretly indulge in everything from homosexuality to street walker prostitutes. Cheat on Saturday and kneel down and pray on Sunday.

The Neo-Feminist believe that prostitution, legal or not, is a form of denigration to women. Feminist deem that being sexually desired by a man represents exploitation and demoralization of women.

Forget about it!

 

[Quarter Mile'r]

Fri Dr Keith Marting, Liberal MP, floated the prospects of legalizing prostitution while being interviewed on CFAX 1070

And as we speak I can see our choir boy PM praying to god, pleading that
Dr. K Marting does not know what he speaketh of. Please forgive him god.

The second prayer would go something like......"please make my party
the majority in the next election so we can rid this country of these
sinning infidels"

What a F'ing crock of shit. Welcome to the the holier than thou syndrome
of 21st century politics.

Just ask all the AMP's that were raided last month who they are gonna
vote for in the next election.


...........QM'r

 

[maude]

Not likely to happen until caught incriminating self

 

[kalel]

i'm somewhat against legalization of prostitution. hear me out.

i've worked for govt environments and this bullshit thing called equality or seniority. that's what they throw at you when they want to have some slow old hog occupy a position that would otherwise be filled by somebody more capable (in this case probably better looking too).

could you imagine going in to an amp and the mamasan tells you that they have 3 girls - a 21 year old playmate, a 23 year old jessica alba lookalike, and a 61 year old barnyard beast. but because they don't want a greivance filed by bertha the human whale, she's the one you'll be seeing based on seniority. oh yeah, she farts alot and smells too but you're not allowed to discriminate on those grounds.

okay, i'm being somewhat silly because legalization and govt run are 2 different things. but can you imagine if the govt stuck it's ugly head abit beyond legalization.

 

[handpuppet]

Good news! Are the listeners a mainstream or liberal audience?

They can be the same thing, unless you're in Alberta or a rural area.

Not going to happen as long as the CPoC is in power - too many theocons in the party to ever let that fly. Probably won't happen in a Liberal minority either - they'd need a majority to pull it off.

Hell, politicians in general probably wouldn't go for it - there's no upside for them. The pooning vote is probably not large.

 

[LeBeau]

LOL...I am too young to have even seen Hogan's Hero's but I have heard about it.

Regarding your comments, despite the right-wing (Republicans) not being in power, the US is still significantly dominated by the Religious Right-Wing. To discount their power in the US is a mistake. You can bet your last dollar the US will strongly resist Canada legalizing prositition, no matter how much good sense it makes.

The US would be better off and could provide the world moral, social, technological, economic leadership by separating government from religion. I know that the US constitution states the separation of Church and State but in reality the US has become almost a Christian State due to the influence of the "Christian" religious right-wing.

It is nearly impossible for someone who is not Christian to be elected to a top government position in the US (rarely a Jew, Muslim or others). I was raised as Christian but no longer associate with organized religion due to its negative impact on humanity.

Almost all of the people I have spoken with are tired of religion; that is all religions. We have become tired of my God is better than your God. We have become tired of I will die in the name of God. We are tired of organized religions getting rich and powerful while we still have overwhelming poverty and injustice. Perhaps one day, we can "just get along" and, leave our fears that are associated with religion behind us.

Personally I believe that the government should not be involved in adults personal affairs. Private, non public, time spent between adults is personal. It is a private matter, period.

 

[buddha2]

Here's the link to the official positions of the parties

http://cmte.parl.gc.ca/Content/HOC/committee/391/just/reports/rp2599932/justrp06/sslrrp06-e.pdf

Skip to the end, and check out the "Conservative party position". Thinly veiled moralism/mysogony if you ask me. Keep it in mind when the Harpercrites fall....

 

[CJ Tylers]

I've always been in favour of decriminalizing it, or legalizing it, but I don't support the way that it's done in Europe. They've solved half the problem... but ignored the rest. An honest and hard look needs to be taken on the issue of prosititution... with the intent of looking after the base line participants, the ones who are not there doing it by choice. Help them get out and on with their lives, away from the downward spiral that those at the bottom oft feel stuck in... and you'll see an improvement in the social structure around us.

By making it legal and putting forth a support base, you can now provide protection for societies most helpless (for whatever reason, or most easily abused) sector. I am talking about more than just prosititutes here..

At the same time, put into place exceedingly tough rules for pimps and drug dealers. No tolerance for those bastards... put em in work camps for all I care, make em actually give back to society and earn their keep instead of detracting all the time.

meh... this is one of my passionate rants... so I'm not going any further on the subject...

 

[OTBn]

http://cmte.parl.gc.ca/Content/HOC/committee/391/just/reports/rp2599932/justrp06/sslrrp06-e.pdf

Skip to the end, and check out the "Conservative party position". Thinly veiled moralism/mysogony if you ask me. Keep it in mind when the Harpercrites fall....

We can be certain those Harper Conservative proponents on this board will step forward, loudly and proudly, and rationalize their political leanings with the reports described, "Conservative Approach":

The Conservative Approach

The Conservative members agree that the status quo with respect to the enforcement of laws is unacceptable, but disagree that decriminalization is the solution. They cite the example of Sweden, which decriminalized prostitution in the1960s then re-criminalized it in 1999 after concluding that decriminalization had in fact entrenched the very problems it was expected to resolve. The Conservatives are also deeply concerned about evidence from other countries that links decriminalization to an increase in both adult and child prostitution, and to a stronger control over prostitution by organized crime.

The Conservatives therefore call for legal and social reforms which would reduce all prostitution through criminal sanctions that clearly target abusers (johns and pimps), and improve the ability of those engaged in prostitution — the victims — to quit. They propose a new approach to criminal justice in which the perpetrators of crime would fund, through heavy fines, the rehabilitation and support of the victims they create. These fines would also act as a significant deterrent. As for the prostitutes themselves, the Conservatives recommend a system in which first-time offenders and those forced or coerced into the lifestyle are assisted out of it, and avoid a criminal record. However, those who freely seek to benefit from the “business” of prostitution would be held accountable for the victimization which results from prostitution as a whole. To address the problem of the two-tiered sex trade, these members emphasize that law enforcement must deal equally and consistently with all forms of prostitution, whether it be found on the street, in escort services, massage parlours, bawdy houses, or other locations.​

waiting.....

 

[slacker]

http://cmte.parl.gc.ca/Content/HOC/committee/391/just/reports/rp2599932/justrp06/sslrrp06-e.pdf

Skip to the end, and check out the "Conservative party position". Thinly veiled moralism/mysogony if you ask me. Keep it in mind when the Harpercrites fall....

Ugh my stomach turns reading that. Oh the poor victims and what about those nasty abusers that should be heavily fined to help the poor victims out of their plight. The one true victim here is our freedoms. I'd like to lock one of these head up their ass conservative dipshits in a room and make a victim out of them. Then they can fine me heavily and they can use the funds to try and figure out how to get the fuck out of office and find some other job where they can't screw people over.

I heard Art Hangar diatribing away on this topic on CKNW a couple of days ago, wanted to reach out and strangle him then too.

I'll do anything I can to make sure these retards don't hold power again. I'd even vote NDP before these retards and that might just kill me, but at least I'll die with a bit more freedom.

 

[handpuppet]

The "Conservative approach" is a big part of why I don't poon in Calgary.