Leaders of Syria and Iran are right

[luckydog71]

It is a hard thing for me to admit, but I agree with the Syrian and Iranian leaders who announced that the Hezbollah has defeated Israel. Israel had the stated goal of getting the 2 soldiers back and disarming Hezbollah. After blowing up half of Lebanon, sacrificing many of soldiers and civilians, they have surrendered without achieving either.

If they did not have the will to see this through, they never should have started.

Israel will regret this day. They have shown to the enemy they are weak.

(GWBM – it must be killing you that you can’t respond

 

[williewheeler]

Israel fell into the trap that Hezbollah set for it. If they were able to fire one rocket after Israel left Lebanon, then they won. All they had to do was survive. The Israeli's had ample reason to do respond to the kidnapping of it's soldiers, but they made the classic mistake of thinking that they could beat their enemy by an air war alone. That has been disproved over and over again; it takes boots on the ground, and the Israeli's weren't willing to commit enough of them soon enough to fulfill any realistic objectives.

Interestingly, they also made the same mistake as the US in not understanding the "Arab street." Their actions will only embolden more terrorist attacks, whether it be rockets from Lebanon or suicide bombers from the West Bank or Gaza.

 

[OTBn]

It is a hard thing for me to admit, but I agree with the Syrian and Iranian leaders who announced that the Hezbollah has defeated Israel. Israel had the stated goal of getting the 2 soldiers back and disarming Hezbollah. After blowing up half of Lebanon, sacrificing many of soldiers and civilians, they have surrendered without achieving either.

If they did not have the will to see this through, they never should have started.

Israel will regret this day. They have shown to the enemy they are weak.

It was touching to see the Prince and Kindasleezy offer their support to the Shrub... uhhh, he did say Israel and freedom won, didn't he LD?

 

[luckydog71]

willie....you are right there are a lot of similarities between the way Israel fought and the way the US is fighting.

We do not understand the enemy. We have this belief there are rules of engagement and that both sides should follow those rules.

Our enemy does not follow those rules. In fact their best weapon is to attacked civilians and create terror and panic. We (and Israel) respond with conventional was strategy. This does not deter our enemy at all. The fact that Israel shelled Beirut and killed a number of civilians does not concern Hezbollah, they use this in their PR campaign.

The US will be hit again. It is not a matter of if, but when.

 

[luckydog71]

... uhhh, he did say Israel and freedom won, didn't he LD?

I did not see that statement, but if he said it he was wrong. Istael did not win.

 

[FuZzYknUckLeS]

Hezbollah's biggest mistake would be to get into it with the UN coalition force.
If this should happen, Israel can safely declare victory.

 

[gravitas]

It is a hard thing for me to admit, but I agree with the Syrian and Iranian leaders who announced that the Hezbollah has defeated Israel.

Hezbollah has won the battle, its yet to be seen if they've won the war.

This isn't over by a long shot. Syria and Iran are going to get involved with the UN forces and the shit will hit the fan.

 

[OTBn]

Don’t ya just hate it when a plan goes pershit! The Bushco driven war failed to destroy Hezbollah or intimidate Iran and Syria. Instead, we saw the disproportionate Israeli bombing killing innocent civilians and Hezbollah holding it’s own against Israeli forces. Oh my, what’s this – can you say “political fallout” as the Israeli PM Olmert faces increasing scrutiny over the Israeli military failure… itself hatched during the May 23rd U.S. Whitehouse meeting between Bushco and Olmert.

Iraq’s a shithole and getting worse everyday – the Shrub (nee Bushco) needed the Israeli actions to advance “the plan” against Syria for its support of Iraqi insurgents, as a way to escalate the buildup against Iran and to isolate Hezbollah/Hamas.

Leading Israeli newspapers have begun calling for Olmert’s resignation. Perhaps this article from the prominent Israeli newspaper Haaretz, “The war-guide to winners and losers” says it all…..

“If Olmert runs away now from the war he initiated, he will not be able to remain prime minister for even one more day,” the newspaper Haaretz wrote in a front-page analysis. “You cannot lead an entire nation to war promising victory, produce humiliating defeat and remain in power.”​

 

[LonelyGhost]

I don't know why the US bothers to 'fight' wars since they have
yet to win one!

If they put half the effort into getting people to stop driving
gas-guzzling monsters as they do in getting into losing battles
they could solve their 'gas crisis' in no time and get out of
stupid third world areas where no one can ever 'win'.

the middle east has been fighting over a few twigs and nuts
for as long as there have been twigs and nuts and it will
never stop.

one of these days the US will get its ass handed to it
in ways one can only imagine.

its really unfortunate that the richest nation on the planet
is populated by the biggest bunch of morons ever to drop
out of a tree.

 

[Buntoss]

willie....you are right there are a lot of similarities between the way Israel fought and the way the US is fighting.

We do not understand the enemy. We have this belief there are rules of engagement and that both sides should follow those rules.

Our enemy does not follow those rules. In fact their best weapon is to attacked civilians and create terror and panic. We (and Israel) respond with conventional was strategy. This does not deter our enemy at all. The fact that Israel shelled Beirut and killed a number of civilians does not concern Hezbollah, they use this in their PR campaign.

The US will be hit again. It is not a matter of if, but when.

It's unfortunate, how the US seems to have forgotten the lessons of Viet Nam. It is a lesson that Hezbollah has learned. They use similar tactics that the VietCong and NVA did. Hezbollah provided a great deal of social services to the people such as education, health care. They are even offering aid to the civillan population to help rebuild after the fighting. They have won the PR campaign to win the hearts and minds of not only the local population but neighboring countries. Just like those nasty commies did in Viet Nam.

Is the US or Israel providing any aid to Lebanon to help the civillan population?
No, not really, not unless your a US Citizen than you get to leave, but all your relatives get to stay behind. At one point they wanted to actually charge US Citizens leaving the fighting the cost of the airfare!

Did the US or Israel help the democratically elected and ANTI-Syrian Lebonese govt try to neutralize Hezbollah by winning the hearts and minds of the people prior to all this fighting? Did they do things like provide aid and economic development so the people had a choice other than to rely on Hezbollah? Or give training to the Lebonese army so they could disband Hezbollah? No, not really.

Hezbollah is fighting the same sort of warfare the Viet Cong did againt the US. They use classic guerllia tactics such as blending in with the civillan population, and hit and move tactics against the Israeli army. Also, like the VC, they are getting a great deal of training and weapons from a foreign country (Iran). It wont surprise me that some of these Iranian advisors are ex-US Army trained West Point grads. Did you know the Iranian military prior to the Shah's overthrow was practically a clone of the US? It was designed to fight specifically in a Viet Nam sort of conflict due to the hilly and isolated nature of the country. So, they are quite proficient in the sort of fighting in a hilly and mountanous area as Lebanon.

Israel and the US need to realize they can not win by bombing the crap out of the civillan population. Going back to Viet Nam, over 2 million Vietnamese died, and over 50 000 US Soldiers died, and the US still lost.

Inorder to defeat Hezbollah and the insurgency in Iraq you need to win the hearts and minds of the people. You dont do it by treating everyone as a potential terrorist and by doing things like having your soldiers raping and killing 14 year old girls.

 

[gravitas]

sorry for the hijack

its really unfortunate that the richest nation on the planet
is populated by the biggest bunch of morons ever to drop
out of a tree.

and there in lies my love hate relationship with the yanks.....as individuals I like most of them but if you get more then 3 of them together their net IQ drops faster then hitrack's pants on Princess Ave

the best way I would be able to describe the US to someone who's never heard of it or visited is that it looks amazing and beautiful from a distance (35,000' is a good start) but the closer you get the ugly starts to shine through.....all you need to do is take a look at the logo feces they plant along side the interstates.....fuck me with a red hot poker, do you really need an IHOP or Jack in the Box sign that's 500 feet tall?

its one weird country with excessive wealth and poverty all rolled up into one drive through, fast food package