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Fucking Nuts.
I've never met a labia I didn't like.
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From the BBC.
A research charity has launched an animated film hoping it will encourage debate about the surge of women seeking "designer vaginas".

The film called Centrefold, funded by the Wellcome Trust, features three women discussing how labiaplasty - the surgical reduction of the inner labia - has affected them.

Last year more than 2000 labiaplasties were carried out on the NHS, and in the last five years there has been a fivefold increase.

Experts believe the total number is likely to be much higher when considering the unregulated private sector, where the surgery costs upwards of £3,000.

Despite the increase in labiaplasty there are no universal NHS guidelines on the size and shape of normal female genitalia.

Researchers say there is little known about the long term effects and are concerned women are not receiving enough psychological support before opting for surgery.

Jessie said she used to spend hours flicking through magazines looking for women with similar labia to hers. She did not find any.

She said it was "another piece of evidence that there was something wrong with me" and made her feel like a "complete freak".

She experienced recurring dreams where she would imagine her labia as a scarf that would wrap itself around her neck. "There would be people standing around laughing and pointing."

"Shortly after the operation I would dream that they would grow back and I'd wake up in a bit of a panic."

A year on, her dreams no longer occur. She said she feels "really silly talking about it", but it was significant enough to cause her daily anxiety.

Emma also thought her genital area was abnormal. She said before her surgery her labia was "very long, dark, stretchy. It looked disgusting - shrivelled up".

"It was the only thing in my life that made me feel depressed. I was very excited about having labiaplasty. I thought it was going to be the end of all my problems. I thought it was going to look lovely, like a little designer vagina."

Though it is now smaller, Emma is still unhappy with her labia's appearance.

Women seeking labiaplasty need more opportunity to discuss their concerns, said Dr Lih-Mei Liao, a consultant clinical psychologist at University College London Hospitals.

"Worries about the labia are quintessentially psychological. When a woman says she is worried about her labia, surgeons may hear the word 'labia' and operate, I hear the word 'worry'.

"It's difficult when surgery is being advertised as a straight forward solution. It makes it hard for these women to engage psychologically with what's going on."

She added that psychologists "simply aren't being accessed as surgery is being presented as the obvious solution".

The British Association of Aesthetic Plastic Surgeons is calling for mandatory psychological screening before cosmetic surgery. It said a recent report found that routine psychological checks were carried out in less than 35% of clinics.

Dr Liao believes that a woman's anxiety or dissatisfaction with certain areas of her life may manifest itself as body image concerns.

"Surgery may have its place, but it needs to be seen as an extreme solution," she added.

Consultant gynaecologist Dr Sarah Creighton said her clinic sees girls as young as 11 years old seeking surgery.

She found that although a small percentage of women do have abnormal labia, in the majority of cases those with concerns had what she would consider a normal sized labia.

The trend for more extreme pubic grooming leaves the labia more exposed - something which has contributed to more women seeking surgery, said Dr Creighton.

"What we should be doing... is looking at alternatives to surgery so that women have other options, rather than resorting to an operation about which we know very little," she said.
 

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Whether you like big meat curtains or not, I don't know why there has to be a big debate about it.

It's a woman's own choice, despite all the "pressures" of nude photo spreads in porn mags, etc. There are even more pressures on women's appearance every day in the form of the fashion industry that does not accommodate fat women. Having a debate about it will amount to nothing, because even attempting to shame women against having such surgery will have little effect in the decision of most women. If anything, public debate just encroaches more on a woman's right to decide for herself.

To be honest, large labia to me is unsightly, and is the equivalent of a big foreskin on a guy. At the nude beach, hanging around women, I know they look with disgust at guys with big foreskins. Guys wouldn't debate about the politics of foreskin removal, if anything they would decide for themselves if they wanted it vs the cost and pain involved.

The surgery is basically equivalent to a foreskin removal. Yes it hurts, it's supposed to. I watched a movie about labia surgery, probably the same one the OP mentioned, and it was irritating how the women were encouraged to complain about the surgery pain and recovery times. Men who electively go through foreskin removal know, just as the women do, that there will be pain and a lengthy recovery and also complications with bacteria and urination. What's the big deal? If you decide on elective surgery, you know the costs, risks, etc., and politicizing it is tantamount to crying like babies, which is basically what these women do on that show.

Having a debate about it, "nurturing" the shaming and politicizing it is just infantalizing the women. They are adults, they make the decisions themselves and nobody should be giving unsolicited advice, and they must be responsible for their decisions.
 

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So, why are you responding or starting any thread if you think there is no point debating or discussing anything?

And I guess you're okay with whatever anyone decides to do no matter how stupid, silly or dangerous without questioning it.

Can't wait until you have a kid that wants to do heroin at age 11 or get a Hells Angels tat at 12 or a parent who wants to invest in Nigerian email requests for money.

And I guess it never entered your mind that many people making these decisions have psychological issues that go beyond this individual choice.
 

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So, why are you responding or starting any thread if you think there is no point debating or discussing anything?

And I guess you're okay with whatever anyone decides to do no matter how stupid, silly or dangerous without questioning it.

Can't wait until you have a kid that wants to do heroin at age 11 or get a Hells Angels tat at 12 or a parent who wants to invest in Nigerian email requests for money.

And I guess it never entered your mind that many people making these decisions have psychological issues that go beyond this individual choice.
We're talking about adult women here, not children. A child cannot go have labiaplasty on her own. I'm not okay for a child deciding anything for themselves, except trivial things. But as for adults who are not under the care of the state, they should decide everything for themselves - even if they appear disturbed and can't seem to make right decisions.

I am also not saying that there is no point discussing or debating anything on a thread in Perb. Read my post with some care - the debate I was referring to was what was referred to in your post, re: "A research charity has launched an animated film hoping it will encourage debate ...". I am here debating the merits of debating such topics, and putting forth that despite its merits, it takes away real freedom of choice which is a huge disbenefit compared to what these people think they are doing in helping women.

So yes, I am totally fine with adults doing whatever, no matter how stupid or dangerous, provided no harm is done to others. I don't need to question them, if they are adults. They can jump off bridges onto pavement if that is what they want.
 

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So yes, I am totally fine with adults doing whatever, no matter how stupid or dangerous, provided no harm is done to others. I don't need to question them, if they are adults. They can jump off bridges onto pavement if that is what they want.


Says the guy who physically attacked someone taking surreptitious photos of nudes at Wreck Beach.

Aren't those guys free to make their own decision to take pics of your nude girlfriend if they aren't harming anyone?

Who are you to decide they can't make that decision for themselves? They are adults, after all.
 

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Says the guy who physically attacked someone taking surreptitious photos of nudes at Wreck Beach.

Aren't those guys free to make their own decision to take pics of your nude girlfriend if they aren't harming anyone?

Who are you to decide they can't make that decision for themselves? They are adults, after all.
Except you seemed to forget that her consent was never obtained, Nor was it obtained for what they would later do with those pictures, like post them on the internet.

I'm all for personal freedom to do as one chooses, as long as no one is harmed and if it involves anyone else, consent is given. That's just normal, standard human politeness and consideration. And if someone infringe on my rights, you've lost the rights to yours and I'll take whatever measures I can to preserve my rights, including beating the crap out of someone who does.
 

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Consent to take photos isn't required in a public space. Nude beach or not, Wreck Beach is considered public.

You cannot predetermine what those guys were going to do with those pictures. They may only want them to jerk off to.

Your user name might be jesus christ, but you can't and don't have the power to divine their intent.

Beating the crap out of someone, as you so eloquently put it, is not your right because you don't like what someone else has done. You just contradicted your entire argument.
 

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Consent to take photos isn't required in a public space. Nude beach or not, Wreck Beach is considered public.
OKay if you say so! Put your money where your mouth is and go down to Wreck Beach, take out your camera and start taking pictures of the ladies. You can rest assured someone will knock you down within minutes. Obviously you've never been there and if you have, your stay was too brief to understand anything about the place. You should garnered some idea of this when I described that our brown friends would only photograph or video tape people by hiding their cameras; there's no clearer evidence of their culpability and what is acceptable and not acceptable behaviour than this. A nude beach is not the same as someone running down the street nude, the laws work differently. If a person ran down the street nude, then yes, you are legally allowed to photograph them because they are not entitled to the expectation of privacy in that case.

Furthermore, your understanding of the legal technicality is poor. Read the criminal code sections I posted in another thread if you want to hear it from the horse's mouth. While public nudity is technically illegal, it is also technically legal in government sanctioned locations. Despite that, there is a provision in the law (re: in the sections I posted), that puts the meaning of "public" in the context of community standards, thus allowing the local government to sanction public nudity at prescribed locations.

I post about things I say and do and think, but whereas guys like you like to tell everyone what should and shouldn't be done. There's nothing wrong with that, but you better be prepared to put some work behind what you tell others what they should or shouldn't do so you can back it up.

Beating the crap out of someone, as you so eloquently put it, is not your right because you don't like what someone else has done. You just contradicted your entire argument.
I have taken up this cause because it is real to me, because I like to enjoy the privileges of Wreck Beach. But it seems to me from your statement that you take this up because you like to argue, by pointing out how I contradicted myself in your point of view. Next time you want to argue with someone, do it properly - take their point of view entirely and argue from that position, don't just look for what you think are holes from your position, which only weakens what little point you have. Now as for beating the crap out of someone who does this, I do it as uneloquently as I state it. The more bruising and blood and broken bones, the better.
 
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