LA Porn Sets Shut Down

Jethro Bodine

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I bet there are more than a few very nervous scared adult performers (and their partners) out there right now.

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2013/08/23/la-porn-film-sets-shut-down-after-actress-infected-with-hiv

It is easy criticize and condemn anyone doing bareback in porn these days but in reality many feel they need to.
There was an article in a mainstream magazine (wish I could remember which one) a year or so ago talking about the significant downturn in the porn industry. With the internet now, so many people, including amateurs, can do porn the market has become saturated.
Jobs have disappeared and incomes have dropped. In the article many of the female actresses said they thought they'd never do BB or even anal but the reality is if you want to work you do it or you starve.

Very sad to be in a position where you feel you need to play Russian Roulette with your life just to pay the rent.

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Very sad to be in a position where you feel you need to play Russian Roulette with your life just to pay the rent.
Or feed an addiction, support your lazy boyfriend, finance your wannabe BF's failing rock star aspirations, satisfy your pimp, or just subconsciously further punish and dehumanize yourself as a result of being sexually abused earlier in life. Sad but true, a fraction of 1% of the women working in the sex related industry are doing so as empowered individuals making a conscious decision to use it as a means to support their own financial stability or to finance an education and as a launch point into something else. Beyond sad actually.
 
I remember watching the 1997 movie "Orgazmo" (by the South Park guys) and there was a mature lady who was still making porn. They asked her how she survived and she said. "Oh, I do double anal and double vaginal." Then she was called to the set and all you could see was 5 pairs of legs in the air and all sorts of moaning and groaning. :pound:

But let me warn you... do not watch this movie unless You are prepared to laugh. Seriously, it is that funny.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124819/

 

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It's been a ticking time bomb for years. Although I did used to watch a fair bit of porn I always thought of guys like John Holmes who died from HIV and wondered why the industry didn't go covered at that point. For the Money Shot, take off the condom and splooge all over her body etc. I know lots of people are into cream pies but that should be saved for someone you know and trust; ie not part of the porn industry IMHO.
 

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Or feed an addiction, support your lazy boyfriend, finance your wannabe BF's failing rock star aspirations, satisfy your pimp, or just subconsciously further punish and dehumanize yourself as a result of being sexually abused earlier in life. Sad but true, a fraction of 1% of the women working in the sex related industry are doing so as empowered individuals making a conscious decision to use it as a means to support their own financial stability or to finance an education and as a launch point into something else. Beyond sad actually.
I'm wondering what source(s) of information you base the 1% figure on?
 

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Or feed an addiction, support your lazy boyfriend, finance your wannabe BF's failing rock star aspirations, satisfy your pimp, or just subconsciously further punish and dehumanize yourself as a result of being sexually abused earlier in life. Sad but true, a fraction of 1% of the women working in the sex related industry are doing so as empowered individuals making a conscious decision to use it as a means to support their own financial stability or to finance an education and as a launch point into something else. Beyond sad actually.
Wow holy generalization stereotyping of all women in the sex trade ! Batman
I'm wondering what source(s) of information you base the 1% figure on?
Seriously, gentlemen...if this were the case, I suppose the entire 1% would be located here in the Lower Mainland.

I think we all have to be careful when quoting statistics...a fraction of 1%? C'mon, how could you possibly know this?

Let's assume that there is a percentage of ladies who are not working of their own free will, and leave it at that.
 

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My tendency to see SP's is born from a severe self hatred at having failed in my aspirations to be a rock star (or perhaps a professional ultimate frisby player). This self loathing has driven me to unconsciously punish and dehumanize myself in a conscious decision to undermine my own financial stability. Unnamed statistics prove that this is the case in 99.31% of SP clientele.

Oh and also, I just really really like to have sex with beautiful ladies who make me feel like I'm the hottest sexual dynamo around.

Now, how do you get that font thingy to work again?
[sarcasm]Wrap your text in these[/sarcasm]
 

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My tendency to see SP's is born from a severe self hatred at having failed in my aspirations to be a rock star (or perhaps a professional ultimate frisby player). This self loathing has driven me to unconsciously punish and dehumanize myself in a conscious decision to undermine my own financial stability. Unnamed statistics prove that this is the case in 99.31% of SP clientele.
ahhh... that explains a lot... :D
 

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Adult Michael Weinstein, head of the Los Angeles-based AIDS Healthcare Foundation and a backer of the condom law, said he suspects that Bay contracted the virus on a set.

Last month, he said, the actress tested negative for HIV, and this month, she tested positive. In one film that she worked on between the tests, it appears that condoms were not used, Weinstein said. "It's a tragedy for her," he said. "Obviously she was infected by someone." The industry group said there was "no evidence whatsoever" that Bay was infected on a set, or that others were exposed to the virus while performing sex scenes with her.
Since they all get tested once a month, and they are talking about a single film, it is pretty unlikely that she got it on set, otherwise her partners would also be testing positive.

A lot of the performers make most of their money as SPs or in other area's of the adult entertainment industry. They also tend to live less than conservative lifestyles in private. It is far more likely that she contracted the virus outside of her porn career.

The concern of this Bay guy should not be that she got infected on set, but rather that she might have infected someone else.
 

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Since they all get tested once a month, and they are talking about a single film, it is pretty unlikely that she got it on set, otherwise her partners would also be testing positive.
You must think the porn industry has a tight fence around an industry that needs no more than a camcorder and a hotel room.

Working in porn isn't quite the same as working for Microsoft or Google, its not that disciplined.
 

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Seriously, gentlemen...if this were the case, I suppose the entire 1% would be located here in the Lower Mainland.

I think we all have to be careful when quoting statistics...a fraction of 1%? C'mon, how could you possibly know this?

Let's assume that there is a percentage of ladies who are not working of their own free will, and leave it at that.
Fair enough, I should have prefaced that with it being "in my opinion" as I usually do under similar circumstances but do you really believe the global or even North American sex industry, with the street scene, Asian brothels, repeat but also random transient ads on the various sites (by that I mean the girls that just come and go), and porn in general is rife with empowered women who make the conscious decision without any outside influence that this is a desirable and preferred profession much like, say, one does with being an accountant? I believe not and if you are, good for you but you are in a very clear minority. Obviously the percentage will always be up for debate and unverifiable but to write it off as just a percentage, 1% or 99% or somewhere in between, is almost turning a blind eye to the marginalization of those in a pretty bad state (kind of like shopping at Walmart for the cheap goods without any consideration for the exploited offshore labour forces) and could appear to be as wanting to be in denial.

I don't mean to come across as disrespecting those making that conscious decision, I apologize if that's how you've received it, or even the service and benefits women provide doing this as I don't see it being demeaning compared to what I've witnessed in the corporate world with people selling their souls and compromising whatever personal integrity they have, but I can't fathom more than one out of a hundred women, or even close frankly, who have participated aren't doing so as a result of male exploitation, psychological issues, or drug dependency. Think about it, the sex industry is massive, involving many women, and there's seriously evil shit going on.

Again, in my opinion.
 

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snip...Fair enough, I should have prefaced that with it being "in my opinion" ...snip...I can't fathom more than one out of a hundred women, or even close frankly, who have participated aren't doing so as a result of male exploitation, psychological issues, or drug dependency. Think about it, the sex industry is massive, involving many women, and there's seriously evil shit going on.

Again, in my opinion.
Male Exploitation: this scenario requires a dominant male and a submissive female, fair enough, it happens.

Psychological Issues: who doesn't have psychological issues, c'mon!

Drug Dependency: some women start in the business to support a drug habit, some get into drugs while in the business, some use drugs to survive the business. Many use no drugs at all (well, unless you consider a glass of wine with a client, a drug).

At present, I could name over a dozen women in this city for whom none of the above issues have contributed to their decision to be involved in the sex trade, and that's only those whom I know personally. I'm sure there are many, many more. The issues cited above are part of the common misconception. I'm kinda surprised that more indy ladies haven't spoken up, but maybe they're waiting to see how the topic rolls out! If, at any point, you wanted to have a p.m. discussion on what other factors bring indies into the game, and what their/our lives look, I'm more than open to it.

In the meantime, you are more than entitled to your opinion, and thank you for that clarification...and you didn't come across as demeaning, ftr.
 

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Most if not all those deaths listed were back in the 1980's and 1990's. you have to remember A large number of male performers in porn at that time also did male on male porn shoots at some point in their careers.

Exactly. That doesn't represent the current situation. Not even close.




Since they all get tested once a month, and they are talking about a single film, it is pretty unlikely that she got it on set, otherwise her partners would also be testing positive.

A lot of the performers make most of their money as SPs or in other area's of the adult entertainment industry. They also tend to live less than conservative lifestyles in private. It is far more likely that she contracted the virus outside of her porn career.

The concern of this Bay guy should not be that she got infected on set, but rather that she might have infected someone else.


The blood tests for hiv tests for antibodies, not the virus itself. This means that from the time someone comes in contact AND is infected with the virus, the body can take several weeks to develop the antibodies that are necessary to determine a person has hiv. That leaves a lot of possibility as to who/when/where she was infected.

Second, the fact that she may have been infected does not guarantee a person who had sex with her was automatically infected. It also depends on what type of sex (vaginal or anal) and who is receiving/giving - they all have different risk levels.

But people, you should already know this!!!!!!



Please, hiv isn't something anyone wants but neither is it this boogeyman / death sentence. We have to really get over this irrational panic and fear, as well as the way we see it because it only makes it worse for people who do live with hiv. I have 2 friends who are hiv positive and the difference in how it has affected their lives and their outlook on the future could not be more different - and the reason for it is that one is gay while the other is heterosexual.


The gay (male) community has had no choice but to adapt to the reality that men in their community live with hiv. My friend who is gay did have a period of depression and did struggle - I'm not going to say he didn't. But he has a boyfriend (who is hiv negative) and there isn't this overwhelming feeling that his (social, romantic) life is ruined.


The contrast with my other friend who is heterosexual... To him, as to most of you, it is the absolute end of the world. Because he still thinks of it in terms of how we were made to fear it when it was a death sentence. Probably because the rates of people with hiv are lower in the hetero population, we've never adapted that boogeyman picture and we still think of it as we did. That means that, even though it doesn't really need to be, his chances of getting a girlfriend are really diminished. It's much harder to bring up the subject with a hetero partner, who will also very likely freak out and run away because we haven't changed this outdated belief we have when we think of hiv. That makes hiv still a huge stigma amongst hetero. And I think it's unfair to people with hiv to be made to feel like they're untouchables and their lives are over when clearly that's not true, necessary or useful to anyone. :(


Come on, people. We're not in 1982 when HIV meant AIDS then death. While no one *wants* HIV, this whole attitude of thinking hiv = end of the world, AIDS, horrible death. No one (at least in developed countries) gets AIDS anymore and people with hiv now will die of old age like most of us.

hiv is now considered a chronic illness - not a terminal disease.



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Being diagnosed as "HIV-positive" means that you have been exposed to the Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)and that two HIV tests—a preliminary enzyme immunoassay (EIA) test and a confirmatory Western blot test—have both come back positive for antibodies to HIV.

Being HIV-positive means that it is possible for you to pass the virus along to others, including your sexual partners. If you are female, you could also pass it along to your unborn child.

Once you have been infected with HIV, you will always carry it in your body. There is no cure for HIV. It is a serious, infectious disease that can lead to death if it isn't treated.

But many scientific and technological advances have made HIV a chronic manageable disease. Many people with HIV lead healthy, happy, and productive lives and learn how to cope with the disease.

This is why it is so important to know your HIV status. Knowing that you are HIV-positive gives you the ability to protect your own health and the health of your partners and children.

Being HIV-positive does NOT mean you have AIDS. AIDS is the most advanced stage of HIV disease. Proper treatment can keep you from developing AIDS.
http://aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics/prevention/reduce-your-risk/sexual-risk-factors/index.html
 

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Fair enough, I should have prefaced that with it being "in my opinion" as I usually do under similar circumstances but do you really believe the global or even North American sex industry, with the street scene, Asian brothels, repeat but also random transient ads on the various sites (by that I mean the girls that just come and go), and porn in general is rife with empowered women who make the conscious decision without any outside influence that this is a desirable and preferred profession much like, say, one does with being an accountant? I believe not and if you are, good for you but you are in a very clear minority. Obviously the percentage will always be up for debate and unverifiable but to write it off as just a percentage, 1% or 99% or somewhere in between, is almost turning a blind eye to the marginalization of those in a pretty bad state (kind of like shopping at Walmart for the cheap goods without any consideration for the exploited offshore labour forces) and could appear to be as wanting to be in denial.

I don't mean to come across as disrespecting those making that conscious decision, I apologize if that's how you've received it, or even the service and benefits women provide doing this as I don't see it being demeaning compared to what I've witnessed in the corporate world with people selling their souls and compromising whatever personal integrity they have, but I can't fathom more than one out of a hundred women, or even close frankly, who have participated aren't doing so as a result of male exploitation, psychological issues, or drug dependency. Think about it, the sex industry is massive, involving many women, and there's seriously evil shit going on.

Again, in my opinion.

I think it's just you speculating. 1 out of 100 is a little extreme IMO. No offence but there isn't anything scientific to 'what you can't fathom'. It's not helpful to anyone to make claims that you can't back up with any real facts as evidence. It's also highly subjective what you mean by demeaning (as you correctly stated, the corporate world can be quite demeaning as well). The fact is not everyone either wants to or can consider another profession like accountant. For some people that's not an option. For others it might be an option but not one they're interested in. So your claim is that 99% of women involved in porn and prostitution weren't capable of making the decision themselves because they're either psychologically damaged, on drugs coerced by a man? And the reason you know this is because you can't imagine anyone (except maaaayyybe 1 in 100) would ever choose that. Am I getting it right?


Geez. You sound like Shelley Lubben or Gail Dines. lol




Linda Lovelace Is Not a Porn Star
The real world of porn has nothing to do with her experience in Deep Throat.



While it remains to be seen how much money moviegoers will spend on the recently released Lovelace, porn stars are definitely still paying the price for Linda Lovelace’s tale of redemption. I know, because I’m one, and Lovelace has complicated my life in obvious and concrete ways.

Let me explain: In addition to being a porn star and a writer, I regularly give talks on sexuality, pornography, and culture. In late 2012, a university near Boston expressed interest in hiring me for a lecture. During negotiations, however, my contact—the director of the campus LGBT organization—suddenly turned from enthusiastic to hesitant. He’d spoken to a colleague who oversaw health education for the school, and she’d offered the following admonition: “Tell [Conner] to read Linda Lovelace’s book Ordeal ... about the sexual enslavement and ‘pimping’ of women in the porn industry. Until that is understood and addressed by this multi-billion dollar industry, it is difficult to give it any voice.”

“We at least want to feel comfortable in that we’re pretty much on the same page,” the director added in an email, “with the people we bring in, in terms of educational safety issues. I’m sure you can appreciate that.”

I assured him that I was well aware of the feminist critiques (and defenses of) porn and that I was happy to engage in discussions with students about them. More to the point, as a working porn actor, I’ve appeared in around 150 adult films, so I knew that I had more knowledge about the porn world than could be guessed at from a book. But none of those qualifications, it seemed, mattered as much as Linda Lovelace’s shadow. My experience, I was being told—indeed, the experience of everyone in porn—was just like hers. The invitation was withdrawn.

Linda Lovelace (née Linda Boreman) is one of the most familiar names from the porn world. Although her career was brief, she starred in the 1972 smash hit Deep Throat, which would bring her enduring fame. Shortly after, she left the industry to become a leading anti-porn activist throughout the 1980s and ‘90s. Though she died in 2002, Lovelace’s portrait of an industry rife with abuse and exploitation has lived on in the collective consciousness.

With the release of Rob Epstein and Jeffrey Friedman’s new biopic, Lovelace, her story is poised again to be taken seriously as representative of what it’s like to work in the porn. Because of all of my involvement with the porn world—including my own films, my interactions with hundreds of performers, my years of research into sex work and related activism—I have to state, unequivocally: Linda Lovelace should not be considered a “porn star” anymore. Her narrative is so far removed from what is currently the typical porn star’s experience in this country that using that title to describe her isn’t just meaningless but, worse, contributes to dangerous misunderstandings about porn performers today.

Lovelace is beautifully shot, well-performed, and at times touching, but, as with all versions of the Lovelace story, it ends with a troublesome triumph: Lovelace decrying her porn experience, first on a re-created talk show, then in a closing title just before the credits. Following her relatively brief film career in the 1970s, Lovelace wrote two anti-porn books explaining that she’d been forced into the business. She joined with Women Against Pornography to dissect the abuse they viewed as inherent in the industry, and generally crusaded against the genre.

The first problem with taking this narrative as characteristic is that, unlike Lovelace, most people now aren’t led into porn by manipulative spouses or other terrible circumstances. Although the myth of “falling into porn” persists, it just doesn’t happen for a majority of performers anymore. Quite the contrary: Getting a start in porn these days generally takes sending in applications to studios or at least the willingness to film it yourself and post it to the Internet.

I’ve wanted to be in porn since middle school, when I understood that performers made each other and audiences feel good for money. It seemed like an honest use of time; plus, all the popular kids thought it was cool. When I was old enough to do it, I waited for over a decade, thinking about my reasons for wanting to participate before I actually decided I was ready.

All the women in porn I know have similar stories. More representative than Lovelace are contemporary and prolific performers like Sovereign Syre. “Every step of the way was a conscious transition,” she told me. Her “erotic journey” began when, after leaving grad school to write a novel, she started appearing on an online modeling site and progressed to porn slowly and thoughtfully from there.

The career path for women in porn has changed to allow this sort of careful consideration since Lovelace’s time, but these improvements are in large part due to women like Sovereign Syre, not people who hold anti-porn sentiments. “It’s one of the few jobs where women are empowered to be financially and emotionally independent and that terrifies people,” Syre said.

Seen in this light, porn is far more consciously chosen than many other jobs. Although stable careers in finance, technology, etc. are often encouraged by cultural pressure and expectation, porn—a profession that potentially carries so much social stigma—requires serious decision-making.

Ordeal and Lovelace’s subsequent anti-porn crusade were aimed at uncovering the “truth” behind porn. The structure of Lovelace (unintentionally, I believe) supports this misguided search for a seedy reality behind the glamour. In the film, the exciting porn experience is shown first (on-set laughter! huge audiences! meetings with celebrities!), and then the film repeats the entire sequence, showing what was really going on (coercion and abuse of Lovelace by her husband, Chuck Traynor, hotel-room rapes, parental rejection). It’s an alluring structure, one also put forth by the documentary The Real Linda Lovelace, released in 2001.*

It’s not wrong to see Linda Lovelace as a person who overcame hardship and was a survivor of abuse. There are, to be sure, current porn performers who have suffered abuse as well. Taking those stories to be the “real” picture of the porn world, however, is a broad mischaracterization. The big secret about the porn world isn’t that there’s hidden abuse and coercion everywhere; the big secret is that there is no big secret.

Making porn is fun some days, not fun others. Sometimes you feel you get paid what you’re owed, sometimes you don’t. Some studios are filled with attentive and nice people, some are filled with irresponsible and unresponsive ones. In other words, in many respects, it’s like any other job. In fact, if there is a big difference between porn and other work, it’s that so many people outside the industry have been taught to believe that there must be something sinister happening within it.

Without going into all the reasons why societies demonize, legislate, and control sex, it’s clear that the stigma created by the sex-negative elements of our culture can create real problems for performers. Though we may be aware of what we’re doing when we get into the business, we may not be able to foresee the societally-imposed difficulties that await us once we’re in porn, including future (baseless) job discrimination, misapprehensions in personal relationships, and more.

Of course, these are problems created not by porn itself, but by our society’s cluttered view of sex. It doesn’t help that these misunderstandings are seized on by religious fundamentalists, social conservatives, anti-porn liberals, certain feminists, and others for power. These are the same groups that embraced Lovelace’s anti-porn stance while she was alive and continue to exploit her complicated humanity and specific story of abuse after her death.

But the hundreds of well-adjusted and happy porn stars I’ve interacted with and the tens of thousands of porn stars who live less sensationalized lives than Lovelace are testament to the fact that her story is not ours. Porn is mostly populated by people who aren’t victims, who have made thoughtful choices, and who won’t be climaxing with regret.


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