Karl Rove

[HankQuinlan]

Hey, LD

Lucky Dog --- you still haven't dealt with the main question about accountability and integrity. They SAID they would fire any administration official who leaked that information. Turns out to be Karl Rove: "No Comment".

This translates now into "only if that person is convicted of a crime?"

And impeachment is not relevant is his case --- Rove is not an elected official. Although he is one of most powerful people in your country, he is an employee of the white house and serves at the pleasure of the president.

I am amused that your response to this is exactly the same as that of the White House.

 

[luckydog71]

I am amused that your response to this is exactly the same as that of the White House.

Hank....you are quoting yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[HankQuinlan]

Yep, and your answer is still exactly the same as that of the White House..LOL

 

[Herb_The_Perb]

I am amused that your [Lucky Dog's] response to this is exactly the same as that of the White House.

Please -- you do Lucky Dog a great disservice.
Even though his postings usually take on the role of a Bush/GOP echo chamber, in reality he's a free-thinking independent who is astute enough to see the wisdom, integrity, and benificence of Administration policies.
Georgebushmoron can confirm this.
So can Karl Rove.

 

[luckydog71]

Please -- you do Lucky Dog a great disservice.
Even though his postings usually take on the role of a Bush/GOP echo chamber, in reality he's a free-thinking independent who is astute enough to see the wisdom, integrity, and benificence of Administration policies.
Georgebushmoron can confirm this.
So can Karl Rove.

Thanks, Herb. I appreciate those kind words.

and you are right, I do see the benefits to having the Bush administration as opposed to the Gore administration and the Kerry administration. I am anxiously awaiting my choices in 08.....Last time Edwards seemed to be a reasonable choice...I would even look at Lieberman if he decides to go again....The GOP could go far right this time, especially if W appoints a moderate to the court.....if they do, they will lose me.

Here is something we can all agree on -
the USA gets the government it deserves.

 

[dittman]

actually if you beleave everything in the press it was a reporter that leaked the name to rove.

Law states she had to be outside the u.s in the last five years in a covert assignment. she hasnt been outside the u.s since 97.

worst kept secret in d.c. she gave briefings, participated in the cocktail circut, and most of her neighbors knew that she worked for the cia.

read the senate intelligence comm. report on wmd section 2. the white house didnt have to discredit wilson the bipartison comm. did a fine job of that. boring but interesting.

my take on it she set her husband up to go to niger, not an expert on wmd. so she wanted into the political game, if you want to play you have to pay.

 

[luckydog71]

Well said Dittman...

However you should not confuse the left with facts....they are arguing emotion..

They have no interest in guilt or innocents according to US law. The hated Bush before this whole incident started and they thought this was going to be their opportunity to reduce Bush’s power. It is not. 2 Supremes are coming maybe 3. The thought of that is driving them nuts. It is coming and there is nothing they can do about it.

Except whine of course.

 

[dittman]

thank you LD, but if we were truly echo chambers for the bush policies we would of course trumpet the fact that our deficeit dropped by 100 billion dollars, debt to deficeit is at 2.7% of gdp which is almost at a historic low, unemployment is at 5% and the economies annual growth rate is at 4%, not spectacular but steady. all because of bushes tax cuts. But were not echo chambers so we wont say anything about it.

 

[dirtydan]

Impeachment doesn't work

Actually our founding fathers thought of that too. It is called impeachment. It requires the House of Representatives to impeach him and the senate to find him guilty.

In Nixon's case just starting the proceedings was sufficient for him to resign (and he should have).

In Clinton's case he was impeached and found not guilty in the senate (also the correct verdict in my opinion).

So the system works.

Man the more we look at the US system of justice the better it looks. It is not perfect, but it is far and way better than any other system I know.

I never have been a fan of Bill "Slick Willie" Clinton. Quite frankly to me he's a wanna be Republican dressed as a jackass. However it was sickening to watch the GOP foaming from their mouths in trying to get Clinton. To your GOP it is perfectly alright for a REPUBLICAN president lie his way into an illegal war, but should a DEMOCRAT president tell a small insignificant lie then fire and brimstone shoots out from the GOP ranks.

The system of impeachment does not work, that is so clear that most diehard Republicans should be able to see that. Back in the second half of the 1860's Andrew Johnson was impeached merely because so many politicians craved a vendetta for anything that smacked of the South. Luckliy for Johnson one of his strongest opponents suffered from a proverbial brain cramp and voted the wrong way, thereby letting Johnson off.

As I have said the Clinton impeachment was a farce from start to finish. An issue that distracted the real business of your government.

As for Tricky Dicky Nixon, it wasn't the threat of impeachment that caused him to resign. It was the fact that his closest allies would no longer publiclly support him. Whether or not the Articles of Impeachment were going to be read, the fact was Nixon was losing his political machine. He was vulnerable and the only way to evade justice was to resign and have the next president, Gerry Ford, pardon him for any crimes possibly committed.

 

[dirtydan]

Well said Dittman...

However you should not confuse the left with facts....they are arguing emotion..

The facts? That's something the GOP's runs over on a regular basis. Take Iraq for example. The Dubyah crowd told the US people Iraq was in cahoots with Al Qaeda and that Saddam Hussein still had WMD's.

Meanwhile the cold hard truth is there was no Iraqi-Al Qaeda connection and the Iraqi military no longer had any WMD's. So then LD, what was a true reason for the US to invade, conquer and occupy Iraq?

They have no interest in guilt or innocents according to US law. The hated Bush before this whole incident started and they thought this was going to be their opportunity to reduce Bush’s power. It is not. 2 Supremes are coming maybe 3. The thought of that is driving them nuts. It is coming and there is nothing they can do about it.

Do apply your rhetoric to the impeachment of Clinton. Talk about rabid politicians out of control with their loyal following of zealots screaming blue murder. Lie about a BJ and you get impeached. Lie your way into war and be praised.

 

[luckydog71]

I never have been a fan of Bill "Slick Willie" Clinton. Quite frankly to me he's a wanna be Republican dressed as a jackass. However it was sickening to watch the GOP foaming from their mouths in trying to get Clinton. To your GOP it is perfectly alright for a REPUBLICAN president lie his way into an illegal war, but should a DEMOCRAT president tell a small insignificant lie then fire and brimstone shoots out from the GOP ranks.

The system of impeachment does not work, that is so clear that most diehard Republicans should be able to see that. Back in the second half of the 1860's Andrew Johnson was impeached merely because so many politicians craved a vendetta for anything that smacked of the South. Luckliy for Johnson one of his strongest opponents suffered from a proverbial brain cramp and voted the wrong way, thereby letting Johnson off.

As I have said the Clinton impeachment was a farce from start to finish. An issue that distracted the real business of your government.

As for Tricky Dicky Nixon, it wasn't the threat of impeachment that caused him to resign. It was the fact that his closest allies would no longer publiclly support him. Whether or not the Articles of Impeachment were going to be read, the fact was Nixon was losing his political machine. He was vulnerable and the only way to evade justice was to resign and have the next president, Gerry Ford, pardon him for any crimes possibly committed.

I do not see any variance in our position.

 

[dittman]

dirtydan you should get the facts straight the only official that came close to stating queda(sp) was in cahoots with iraq was cheny and all he said was he didnt know when asked if he thought iraq and and al queda were working together and as far as wmd, the whole world thought he had them. not fiction but fact. when asked by george w if the intelligence was correct on wmd in iraq george tenent(a clinton holdover) said mr president it is a slam dunk.

 

[JustAGuy]

Herb - you forgot one......Milgaard. Oh, ya he went through the CDN system.

And it was Milgaard's good fortune that he DID go through the Canadian system. If he'd gone through, oh I don't know, let's say the TEXAS judicial system, he'd have been executed decades ago for a crime that he didn't commit.

 

[yogi]

Originally Bush said he'd fire anyone who leaked the info.
Now he's changed his tune, saying he'll fire anyone who broke the law.
Now the White House is trying to get Rove off by saying that since he only referred to her as "Wilson's wife" and didn't call her out by her precise name, he did nothing wrong. (Sounds like the Clintonian tortured turns of phrases that enraged the Clinton-haters).

I too think it fascinating that Clinton got impeached for lying about a BJ, while Bush goes unchallenged for lying about WMDs.

It's that liberal media at it again, they're the cause of all our problems. If only they'd just unquestioningly print without a critical eye whatever our great leaders say. Only then would democracy not be so messy.

 

[luckydog71]

Originally Bush said he'd fire anyone who leaked the info.
Now he's changed his tune, saying he'll fire anyone who broke the law.
Now the White House is trying to get Rove off by saying that since he only referred to her as "Wilson's wife" and didn't call her out by her precise name, he did nothing wrong. (Sounds like the Clintonian tortured turns of phrases that enraged the Clinton-haters).

I too think it fascinating that Clinton got impeached for lying about a BJ, while Bush goes unchallenged for lying about WMDs.

It's that liberal media at it again, they're the cause of all our problems. If only they'd just unquestioningly print without a critical eye whatever our great leaders say. Only then would democracy not be so messy.

I am glad you finally get it

 

[luckydog71]

Originally Bush said he'd fire anyone who leaked the info.
Now he's changed his tune, saying he'll fire anyone who broke the law.
.

Yogi.....I just watched a video of Bush in Sept 2003. He was asked about this "leak". He said that he wants to wait and see what the results from the investigation and if some one in his administration broke the law he would be dealt with.

That sure sounds like what he is saying today.

So can you point me to a Bush quote or video were he says what you claim he did. If it existed it would be all over the news.

So far all we have seen is Scot McClellan saying “if some one was involved” and even then they do not show what question Scot was answering

 

[dirtydan]

dirtydan you should get the facts straight the only official that came close to stating queda(sp) was in cahoots with iraq was cheny and all he said was he didnt know when asked if he thought iraq and and al queda were working together and as far as wmd, the whole world thought he had them. not fiction but fact. when asked by george w if the intelligence was correct on wmd in iraq george tenent(a clinton holdover) said mr president it is a slam dunk.

Condi Rice said the same thing on Meet the Press. In fact she clearly stated there was a relationship between the Iraqi regime and Al Qaeda. Rice neglected however to specifically say what the relationship entailed: pure animosity. Al Qaeda had tried at least 2 or 3 times to assassinate Saddam Hussein.

As for the WMD's, the fact is the world was MISLED to believe Iraqi still had WMD's. Endless repetition from the Dubyah administration embedded in the minds of many people that the WMD's did exist. Fortunately some world leaders, including Chretien, saw the proof the US had was weak and stayed out the conflict. As much as I despise Chretien, I am very happy that he made such a decision.

So with no Iraq-Al Qaeda connection, AND no weapons of mass destruction then just what was the US invasion, conquering, and occupation of Iraq all about?

 

[wildonion]

So with no Iraq-Al Qaeda connection, AND no weapons of mass destruction then just what was the US invasion, conquering, and occupation of Iraq all about?

the republicans suspect Bin Laden rec'd a purple heart when he was on the US side against the Russians, so they obviously think he's a horrible, bad guy. All medal winners are bad, unless they're republicans

 

[dittman]

well its good to know wildonion that you think bin laden is a stand up type of guy.

 

[dirtydan]

well its good to know wildonion that you think bin laden is a stand up type of guy.

George HW Bush most certainly thought so when the Reagan administration were busy funnelling millions of dollars to bin Laden to fight Soviet forces in Afghanistan. Seems to me this was also the same time Reagan administration was getting all cozy with a certain Iraqi dictator.