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So, after nearly two years of 'investigation,' it turns out that Karl Rove WAS the one who leaked the name of the CIA operative as political payback for the woman's husband criticising the administration's Iraq policy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/12/p...3f7db21dfee4cb&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

He still hasn't been fired, and the administration has yet to make any real statements on the matter. I'm amazed, though, how little coverage such a scandal has garnered in the press. Any thoughts?
 

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BushPilot said:
So, after nearly two years of 'investigation,' it turns out that Karl Rove WAS the one who leaked the name of the CIA operative as political payback for the woman's husband criticising the administration's Iraq policy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/12/p...3f7db21dfee4cb&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

He still hasn't been fired, and the administration has yet to make any real statements on the matter. I'm amazed, though, how little coverage such a scandal has garnered in the press. Any thoughts?

Down with the republic!

on the serious side.

Americans are afraid to speak up against the goverment. Maybe not all of them, but most will refuse to do so.. They are afraid to be labelled as " anti patriotic " or anti american....
 

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eljudo said:
Down with the republic!

on the serious side.

Americans are afraid to speak up against the goverment. Maybe not all of them, but most will refuse to do so.. They are afraid to be labelled as " anti patriotic " or anti american....
the government is planting the seeds of facism brilliantly.
 

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BushPilot said:
.....one who leaked the name of the CIA operative as political payback..........
You are listening to too much CNN, the DEMS spin spreaders.

So let me give you the GOP spin....just so this is fair and balanced (not that I believe either of them).

- She was not an operative. She worked at a desk job. She drove to CIA in her own car everyday to work. Hardly an operative.

- It was the WH disputing a false story. The guy claimed he was sent to Iraq by the WH to investigate WMD. He was not he was sent there by his wife.

- The guy is a major Kerry supporter and was involved in a political fight during an election.

If Karl committed a crime he will be charged and W will fire him. If he did not this will be forgotten

For me the bottom line is who cares.....Let's start tackling the real problems..
 

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luckydog71 said:
For me the bottom line is who cares.....Let's start tackling the real problems..
Now why am I not surprised you'd take that point of view?
 

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You are listening to too much CNN, the DEMS spin spreaders.
That's actually kinda funny, cause every liberal/lefty I know (and I know a lot of them) thinks of CNN as big right-wing progaganda machine....
 

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memyselfandI said:
That's actually kinda funny, cause every liberal/lefty I know (and I know a lot of them) thinks of CNN as big right-wing progaganda machine....
CNN and Fox and CBS are commie-pinko extremist liberal propaganda machines owned by large media corporations and is closely allied to the other media industrialist, Hollywood, another other commie-pinko extremist liberal propaganda machine. Seems like we have a big block of extremist liberal organisations ganging up on the American public. I heard that Time Warner are now heavily invested in Lockheed Martin, and you can bet your ass they're intent on gobbling up Halliburton shares. Soon we're gonna have live-action war footage in 2 hour movie format the next time we take out another rogue state. And I'm sure they're gonna totally distort what's happening. It's already a Military-Industrial-Entertainment complex!

By the way, this is one of my favourite sites if you have a little extra liquidity: "Billionaires for Bush" http://billionairesforbush.com/index.php
And if you're worried about your Halliburton shares, take heed:
http://billionairesforbush.com/blog/node/view/503

Here's lookin' at ya! Meet you on the fairway....
 
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charles said:
Now why am I not surprised you'd take that point of view?
Hey, Charles. Good to see some new posters join in.

You should not be surprised, I am consistent.

BTW - I thought the whole impeachment with Clinton was also a complete waste of time. They wasted a huge amount of effort on a BJ. To bad they did not spend more time on the intelligence committee. I doubt 9/11 could have been avoided, but the impeachment did take them away from their real job.

There are some personal actions that do need to result in the person being removed, but it needs to be a very serious crime. Let’s say driving off a bridge in your 66 Oldsmobile and then leaving your passenger to die in the car while you run away because you’re drunk. That might cross the line.

Or maybe being a member of the KKK in the 60’s. That might cross the line.

Or a senator from Oregon, who was accused by a number of his staff of sexual harassment. That might cross the line.

But getting a BJ in the oval office….or saying some guy’s wife works for the CIA….she was a desk jockey….now those are a long ways from the line. Stupid….OK….But being fired or impeached….I don’t think so.
 

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luckydog71 said:
Hey, Charles. Good to see some new posters join in.

You should not be surprised, I am consistent.

BTW - I thought the whole impeachment with Clinton was also a complete waste of time. They wasted a huge amount of effort on a BJ. To bad they did not spend more time on the intelligence committee. I doubt 9/11 could have been avoided, but the impeachment did take them away from their real job.

There are some personal actions that do need to result in the person being removed, but it needs to be a very serious crime. Let’s say driving off a bridge in your 66 Oldsmobile and then leaving your passenger to die in the car while you run away because you’re drunk. That might cross the line.

Or maybe being a member of the KKK in the 60’s. That might cross the line.

Or a senator from Oregon, who was accused by a number of his staff of sexual harassment. That might cross the line.

But getting a BJ in the oval office….or saying some guy’s wife works for the CIA….she was a desk jockey….now those are a long ways from the line. Stupid….OK….But being fired or impeached….I don’t think so.
I pretty much agree with everything you've said LD, especially about all the energy wasted on those things when real problems could be fixed. However, when someone does something to break the law... no one is above the law. Getting a bj in the office is not a bright thing to do, but doesn't break the law. But the other things? Should someone in political office be allowed to break the law and stay in office?
 

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georgebushmoron said:
.... when someone does something to break the law... no one is above the law. Getting a bj in the office is not a bright thing to do, but doesn't break the law. But the other things? Should someone in political office be allowed to break the law and stay in office?

Absolutely not. If it turns out Rove broke the law he should resign. There is no place for a criminal in public office.

From what is being said in the news, it does not sound like he did break the law.
 

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luckydog71 said:
From what is being said in the news, it does not sound like he did break the law.
The news is reliable? Justice will work its ways. Apparently a special prosecutor is being assigned to look into whether or not there was the likelihood of a crime committed.
 

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luckydog71 said:
Absolutely not. If it turns out Rove broke the law he should resign. There is no place for a criminal in public office.
From what is being said in the news, it does not sound like he did break the law.
Well, there's still the perjury possibility. We still don't know what he told the grand jury --- yet.
 

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The White House also SAID they would fire any person in their administration who leaked the name of that agent. They find out it was Karl, they ignore their promise. Nothing new there.
 

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This doesn't surprise me at all. There is ZERO accountability in the Bush administration. For anything.
 

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luckydog71 said:
Absolutely not. If it turns out Rove broke the law he should resign. There is no place for a criminal in public office.

From what is being said in the news, it does not sound like he did break the law.
Law or no law, a point is being missed. Karl Rove attacked a guy politically by outing his wife who works for the CIA. That is low. Whether damage is done or not done, Rove is a worm. He won one election by starting a whispering campaign that an opponent was a pedophile.

Moral vacuum aside, there are some pretty simple rebuttals for every Republican talking point out there, including the idea that outing Valerie Plame is trivial.
 

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Webster said:
Law or no law, a point is being missed. Karl Rove attacked a guy politically by outing his wife who works for the CIA. That is low. Whether damage is done or not done, .....

Moral vacuum aside, there are some pretty simple rebuttals for every Republican talking point out there, including the idea that outing Valerie Plame is trivial.[/URL]
Webster...I can agree with your position.....we should disqualify...fire ...or remove from office every politician who has engaged in dirty tricks during an election cycle....

I truly wish it was possible to set a moral standard that all politicians and civil servants must exceed.......
 

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luckydog71 said:
You are listening to too much CNN, the DEMS spin spreaders.

So let me give you the GOP spin....just so this is fair and balanced (not that I believe either of them).

- She was not an operative. She worked at a desk job. She drove to CIA in her own car everyday to work. Hardly an operative.

- It was the WH disputing a false story. The guy claimed he was sent to Iraq by the WH to investigate WMD. He was not he was sent there by his wife.

- The guy is a major Kerry supporter and was involved in a political fight during an election.

If Karl committed a crime he will be charged and W will fire him. If he did not this will be forgotten

For me the bottom line is who cares.....Let's start tackling the real problems..

What is REAL in all of this?

Try a couple of news reporters already charged with revealing this woman's indentity. If Rove isn't in trouble with revealing who she was, then why are the reporters in trouble?

:rolleyes:
 

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Now Rove may be a bit of a unscrupulous character.... but in my books that is still at least better than someone who has no brain. You all forgot to mention the reporter Judith Miller in all this, that brain-dead left-wing idiot:

"Protecting your source" is the noble action by news reporters to protect an individual in a situation of grave danger to himself where the release of the information he has is for the public good. In short, it would apply to whistle blowers who work for government or large corporations who have info that if the public knew about it, would cause great outrage because of the injustice or abuse. But instead we have a brain-dead reporter who misuses this to protect an individual who is in no danger of retaliation by his government, and whose information does not serve the public good - instead, his information if made public destroys public good and is instead criminal in nature if released to the public. In short, Judith Miller uses the noble principles behind "Protecting your source" to defend a criminal action. WHY?

Because Judith Miller is a greedy careerist who cares really only about the story and the fame she would achieve, even at the expense of breaking the law and being thrown in jail. She cares about being entrusted to corrupt government officials so that they will come to her for more "information" to be disseminated through the news. This was a calculated move based solely on self-gain, and not the gain of the public. Not only does she a disservice to fellow journalists, she is a willing patsy to government propaganda masters.

Too bad the sentence was as short as it was. If the special prosecutor on Rove finds criminal activity, I hope he also lays additional charges on Miller for being a willing accomplice. Oh, and better throw that other "unbiased" journalist Robert Novak in the clinker with her too.

Score 1 point for my friend Karl... another dirty deed done dirt cheap (so far).
 
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The word 'politics' is derived from the word 'polis'. "Polis' at the time of the birth of western civilization meant 'city', a place where people lived and worked together for their common good in a 'polite' way. How perverted and depraved have politicians become that a snake such as Karl Rove should ever see the light of day in government. He is ideology gone mad, manifesting in unbridled hate. If politics is dirty, Mr. Rove is the poster boy of unwashable filth.
 

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FOX is pinko????

You know, even when you're just trying to yank chains, you've got to base your fibs in a little reality, or you just lose any hope of achieving your goals...
 
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