John Kerry is dumb

[Randy Whorewald]

Randy, (not so) surprising that you would follow the same punk-assed Republican chickenhawk manipulation...

I know otbn, Kerry's comments are all GWB's fault. Kerry said that if you're serving in Iraq, you're dumb. Thats an insult to all who are serving there. I dare say a lot of the military are smarter than the general cross section of the population.

Incidentally, Kerry voted FOR the war in the first place.

 

[Randy Whorewald]

Kerry strikes me as a well-educated and intelligent man, but a foolish man who is also out of touch with 95% of America.

We’ll forget the fact that Bush’s Yale grades were higher than Kerry’s.

 

[OTBn]

I know otbn, Kerry's comments are all GWB's fault. Kerry said that if you're serving in Iraq, you're dumb. Thats an insult to all who are serving there. I dare say a lot of the military are smarter than the general cross section of the population.

Incidentally, Kerry voted FOR the war in the first place.

Randy, what's with your silly bugger routine? It's acknowledged everywhere that Kerry mangled a joke - one he's told many times of late, particularly during these closing weeks leading up to the U.S. mid-term elections. His mangled joke has cost "0 lives"... that joke Bush has cost "600,000+ lives" in his failed Iraqi war ... and who owes the U.S. troops an apology?

Here Randy... just so we can end your silly bugger routine: here's the so-called joke Kerry has been regularly spouting off, of late: "I can't over stress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq."... ya see Randy, he's calling Bush stupid!

That you would feel a need to perpetuate the spin that Kerry was purposely calling the U.S. troops dumb... is dumb.

 

[shapeshifter]

here's the so-called joke Kerry has been regularly spouting off, of late: "I can't over stress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq."... ya see Randy, he's calling Bush stupid!.

If Kerry thinks that thats a JOKE ... he's dumber and more insensitive than I EVER imagined!

So Kerry says he meant to say "You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq"
WOW! I can't stop laughing!!!..that's SUCH a funny joke!!.... NOT!!

If I was a parent and one of my kids was in Iraq, the LAST FUCKING THING I want to hear is "your kid is stuck over in Iraq, might get killed any minute and it's all because GW is an idiot who didnt study hard, didnt do his homework and because of that he never got smart.
In other words, your son's/daughter's were sent to Iraq on the whim of an imbecile, nothing more!
Your kids are fighting and dying for nothing.

Let me see if I understand this....The USA is stuck in Iraq because GW is a retard who never cracked a book or got any smarts?....
And John Kerry went along with the imbecile and voted yes to sending troops to Iraq?.... just one question... "How stupid does that make John Kerry?
He was fooled by an idiot, wouldnt that make him even stupider?

When will these leaders grab a clue and realize that Iraq is an innapropriate subject to joke about!
I guess it's easy to make up little jokes about a place where kids are dying.... as long as it's not your own kids who are there dying!

Kerry should be ashamed of himself for making such a bonehead insensitive comment.



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[dirtydan]

I know otbn, Kerry's comments are all GWB's fault. Kerry said that if you're serving in Iraq, you're dumb. Thats an insult to all who are serving there. I dare say a lot of the military are smarter than the general cross section of the population.

Incidentally, Kerry voted FOR the war in the first place.

Not that I am defending Kerry, but the fact remains he SERVED in Vietnam while Bush spent his military days defending the Arkansas skies from any stray North Vietnamese MiGs.

And the fact is Kerry fucked up the joke and he apologized. How many times have we seen some Republican say something stupid and NOT apologize?

Best not to fall into that abymsal silliness the Republicans use so often to twist things way, way out of shape.

 

[luckydog71]

Best not to fall into that abymsal silliness the Republicans use so often to twist things way, way out of shape.

DD - I think the Kerry thing is way overblown.

However this is a trick used by both parties, and I am getting tired of it.

Rush Limbaugh did not say Fox was faking his illness. He said he may have gone off his meds... which Michael said in a book he wrote.

A GOP senate candidate said "macaca" and was called a racist. I do not even know what that means.

A GOP senator said, at a Thurmond retirement party, that America would have been better off if Strom won his presidential bid. It was a long time ago, and Strom ran as segregationist.


All of these are slips, just as Kerry's was, and it becomes a national debate. The media eats this shit up and the GOP or the DEMS (depending on whose ox is being gored) spoon feed them.

The media has given up its job. In the past it has played an important role in oversight of our government. Not any more.

The media should be focused on the important issues; like:

hound the GOP to defend their decisions in the war on terror. Why have we not found OBL? Why are we not seeing Iraq take a more active role in their own security? Why do we have 11 million illegals in this country today?

hound the DEMS. They should not be the official stone throwers. I need the DEMS to provide their alternatives, not just complain. What would you do in Iraq? What would you do about immigration? What would you do about the deficit?

Talking about some guy who said "macaca"; or another guy who misspoke on a joke is all crap and totally irrelevant to the elections. But it boosts rating and in the end that is all the media now cares about.

 

[JustAGuy]

If I was a parent and one of my kids was in Iraq, the LAST FUCKING THING I want to hear is "your kid is stuck over in Iraq, might get killed any minute and it's all because GW is an idiot who didnt study hard, didnt do his homework and because of that he never got smart.
In other words, your son's/daughter's were sent to Iraq on the whim of an imbecile, nothing more!
Your kids are fighting and dying for nothing.

Certainly not. They were sent there on anything but a whim. They were sent to lay claim to some of the richest oil reserves in the world. They were sent to give Cheney's former company (and the one you can be sure he will return to the day after he leaves office), Halliburton, the chance to gouge the American taxpayer by overcharging ridiculously for their services. They were sent there to give the appearance that the Bush administration is making an effort to fight global terrorism (hence the totally specious link between Saddam Hussein and Al-Qaeda which still today something like 39% of the American public believes to be true). They were sent there to avenge the humiliation of Bush Sr's failure to subdue Iraq and depose Saddam at the time of Desert Storm.

See? They weren't sent there on the whim of an imbecile at all. They were sent there by people for specific, albeit totally bogus and never publicly stated reasons. By people with no plan beyond the immediate short term gratification of these goals. When the troops weren't greeted (as the war "planners", I use the term loosely, expected) by grateful Iraqi citizens wanting to put flowers in their guns but rather by angry and defiant Iraqis who viewed them as occupiers and not as liberators, that's when things began to turn sour. Now, three plus years later, the situation in Iraq gets worse by the day.

How nice it is that on a day by day basis more and more of the American public are having the scales fall from their eyes and are finally beginning to figure out what's actually going on. Some of us knew it from the outset.

 

[Randy Whorewald]

Not that I am defending Kerry, but the fact remains he SERVED in Vietnam while Bush spent his military days defending the Arkansas skies from any stray North Vietnamese MiGs.

And the fact is Kerry fucked up the joke and he apologized. How many times have we seen some Republican say something stupid and NOT apologize?

Kerry has shown disdain for his fellow veterans, and wrapping himself in "I served in Viet Nam" won't work any more. Take that away, and what's left? I haven't seen anyone come forward with a list of Kerry's accomplishments other than "he's not Bush".

 

[Randy Whorewald]

Randy, what's with your silly bugger routine? It's acknowledged everywhere that Kerry mangled a joke - one he's told many times of late, particularly during these closing weeks leading up to the U.S. mid-term elections. His mangled joke has cost "0 lives"... that joke Bush has cost "600,000+ lives" in his failed Iraqi war ... and who owes the U.S. troops an apology?

Here Randy... just so we can end your silly bugger routine: here's the so-called joke Kerry has been regularly spouting off, of late: "I can't over stress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq."... ya see Randy, he's calling Bush stupid!

That you would feel a need to perpetuate the spin that Kerry was purposely calling the U.S. troops dumb... is dumb.

Your quote is not correct - Read it again, he said:

"You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”

If you have trouble reading it, try listening to it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o

You can weasel it anyway you want, otbn - but Kerry insulted the intelligence of those who serve in the US military.

otbn -you are also missing the other key point - it is rather frightening to think that a man who cannot accurately read prepared comments might have had the power to launch nuclear weapons.

"I really meant to say Don't push the button."

I'll grant you that dubya may mispronounce words and use awkward phrasing - but he has never claimed to have said the opposite of what he meant.

 

[dirtydan]

Kerry has shown disdain for his fellow veterans, and wrapping himself in "I served in Viet Nam" won't work any more. Take that away, and what's left? I haven't seen anyone come forward with a list of Kerry's accomplishments other than "he's not Bush".

I don't follow US politics in depth, so I can't speak for Kerry's record other than what I saw in his presidential run. I saw a flip-flopper and like so many Democrat nominees he wasn't worth shit.

In the end he did apologize for his remarks. At least give him that.

 

[dirtydan]

DD - I think the Kerry thing is way overblown.

Yes it is, but the Republicans are down in the polls and so they are desperate. In the dying day of the midterm elections they will grasp on to anything that can be spun in their favour. Hell they'll even make it up!

However this is a trick used by both parties, and I am getting tired of it.

I don't blame you. The US is in desperate need of a multi-party political system.

Rush Limbaugh did not say Fox was faking his illness. He said he may have gone off his meds... which Michael said in a book he wrote.

Limbaugh said that Fox was either acting or gone off his meds to make his Parkinson's look worse. The really pathetic thing is Limbaugh's tactic is to sucker punch people and then claim he is the victim.

A GOP senate candidate said "macaca" and was called a racist. I do not even know what that means.

Was that the candidate who was referring to a black campaign worker?

A GOP senator said, at a Thurmond retirement party, that America would have been better off if Strom won his presidential bid. It was a long time ago, and Strom ran as segregationist.

Thurmond in my books always remained a first class racist.

All of these are slips, just as Kerry's was, and it becomes a national debate. The media eats this shit up and the GOP or the DEMS (depending on whose ox is being gored) spoon feed them.

The media has given up its job. In the past it has played an important role in oversight of our government. Not any more.

You ought to read Helen Thomas' latest book "Watch dogs of democracy" as she deal with this very issue.

The media should be focused on the important issues; like:

hound the GOP to defend their decisions in the war on terror. Why have we not found OBL? Why are we not seeing Iraq take a more active role in their own security? Why do we have 11 million illegals in this country today?

hound the DEMS. They should not be the official stone throwers. I need the DEMS to provide their alternatives, not just complain. What would you do in Iraq? What would you do about immigration? What would you do about the deficit?

Up here in Canada the Conservatives were doing the same thing the Democrats in the US are doing: complaining. Sooner or later when you complain enough the people will vote for you because the message of the other guy being so bad has been engrained with little or no regard to the whatever the actual record is.

Talking about some guy who said "macaca"; or another guy who misspoke on a joke is all crap and totally irrelevant to the elections. But it boosts rating and in the end that is all the media now cares about.

Also LD, it's the voters' fault as well. By continuing to buy into this political slop the parties and the politicians will keep slopping it out. By demanding the candidates talk about specific issues can they have a hop of changing the way politics is done.

 

[shapeshifter]

The troops send a message to John Kerry

 

[gravitas]

John Kerry is dumb

Dumb and apparently blind since he married this skank

 

[OTBn]

Dumb and apparently blind since he married this skank

note: gratuitous unflattering pic of Theresa Heinz removed

It appears those who have nothing to add to a discussion revert to juvenile offerings

 

[OTBn]

Randy, what's with your silly bugger routine? It's acknowledged everywhere that Kerry mangled a joke - one he's told many times of late, particularly during these closing weeks leading up to the U.S. mid-term elections. His mangled joke has cost "0 lives"... that joke Bush has cost "600,000+ lives" in his failed Iraqi war ... and who owes the U.S. troops an apology?

Here Randy... just so we can end your silly bugger routine: here's the so-called joke Kerry has been regularly spouting off, of late: "I can't over stress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq."... ya see Randy, he's calling Bush stupid!

That you would feel a need to perpetuate the spin that Kerry was purposely calling the U.S. troops dumb... is dumb.

Your quote is not correct - Read it again, he said:

"You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”

You can weasel it anyway you want, otbn - but Kerry insulted the intelligence of those who serve in the US military.

Ha Randy, look shapeshifter’s joined your silly bugger brigade. You guys need to read a bit more… the GOPs moved on – they’ve played the Kerry gaff for all it’s worth. No one of substance/influence is still holding to that “Kerry insulted the troops” bleating.

Randy… read my reply again… I reference the Kerry quote the way he’s said it, over and over, these last months. Yes, it’s a tired routine – yet it has but a single word difference from what had been played up by the GOP/mainstream media. That single word, the word “us”. It’s a single word that takes the inference away from the intended Bush target.

Randy/shapeshifter:

- where’s the apology to the U.S. troops for the 2800+ dead and 20000+ wounded, sent to Iraq based on a packet of neo-con/Bushco lies ... http://icasualties.org/oif/
- where’s the apology to the U.S. troops for the Shrub WMD comedy routine offered up at one of the annual Radio and Television Correspondents’ Association dinners – the routine where the Shrub scurries about looking for those missing WMDs. Randy/shapeshifter, have a look for that YouTube video that includes the quotes from mothers/fathers of soldiers killed in Iraq – it appears they have no sense of humour concerning the Shrub WMD skit… go figure.
- where’s the apology to the U.S. troops when the Shrub equated Iraq to a “comma” in the historical timeline… ha, Randy/shapeshifter, have you seen that photo-shopped pic of Arlington cemetery with all the headstone engravings replaced by commas?

 

[shapeshifter]

Ha Randy, look shapeshifter’s joined your silly bugger brigade. You guys need to read a bit more… the GOPs moved on – they’ve played the Kerry gaff for all it’s worth. No one of substance/influence is still holding to that “Kerry insulted the troops” bleating.

Randy… read my reply again… I reference the Kerry quote the way he’s said it, over and over, these last months. Yes, it’s a tired routine – yet it has but a single word difference from what had been played up by the GOP/mainstream media. That single word, the word “us”. It’s a single word that takes the inference away from the intended Bush target.

Randy/shapeshifter:

- where’s the apology to the U.S. troops for the 2800+ dead and 20000+ wounded, sent to Iraq based on a packet of neo-con/Bushco lies ... http://icasualties.org/oif/
- where’s the apology to the U.S. troops for the Shrub WMD comedy routine offered up at one of the annual Radio and Television Correspondents’ Association dinners – the routine where the Shrub scurries about looking for those missing WMDs. Randy/shapeshifter, have a look for that YouTube video that includes the quotes from mothers/fathers of soldiers killed in Iraq – it appears they have no sense of humour concerning the Shrub WMD skit… go figure.
- where’s the apology to the U.S. troops when the Shrub equated Iraq to a “comma” in the historical timeline… ha, Randy/shapeshifter, have you seen that photo-shopped pic of Arlington cemetery with all the headstone engravings replaced by commas?

Get off yer fucking high horse!

Anyone who has an opinion that differs from yours is immediately INSULTED by you and called a silly bugger... real mature!

I havent said a damn thing to you that was insulting, i kept all my comments directed towards Kerry and Bush... I suggest you do the same.

Or are you incapable of discussing this like an adult?

I am not a FAN of either, I regularly jump all over Bush and berate him just as often as I jump on Kerry when I think he is being an ass.

Go do your research, I don't claim allegiance to either.... leave me out of your immature pissing match.

 

[OTBn]

The reason that Bush doesn't, for example, come out and say "I'm sorry that I made up a word that doesn't exist" is because he is smart enough to know that everyone did know what he meant and he wasn't playing some sort of game where he could later say "Yes, but that wasn't a real word so I wasn't really wrong in what I was saying because I didn't say anything because I used a non-word"

THAT is what a democrat would do...

LOL - Bush apologists form a line.

What about this Bush gem: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful - and so are we," the US president told a high-level meeting of Pentagon officials. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people - and neither do we."

- a fitting Shrub quote, don't you think - especially considering this linked article from today's NY Times ... "U.S. Web Archive Is Said to Reveal a Nuclear Primer". Is this what Republicans would do - are we safer yet?


Officials of the International Atomic Energy Agency, fearing that the information could help states like Iran develop nuclear arms, had privately protested last week to the American ambassador to the agency, according to European diplomats who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the issue’s sensitivity. One diplomat said the agency’s technical experts “were shocked” at the public disclosures.

The documents, roughly a dozen in number, contain charts, diagrams, equations and lengthy narratives about bomb building that nuclear experts who have viewed them say go beyond what is available elsewhere on the Internet and in other public forums. For instance, the papers give detailed information on how to build nuclear firing circuits and triggering explosives, as well as the radioactive cores of atom bombs.

“For the U.S. to toss a match into this flammable area is very irresponsible,” said A. Bryan Siebert, a former director of classification at the federal Department of Energy, which runs the nation’s nuclear arms program. “There’s a lot of things about nuclear weapons that are secret and should remain so.”

 

[OTBn]

Get off yer fucking high horse!

Anyone who has an opinion that differs from yours is immediately INSULTED by you and called a silly bugger... real mature!

Not at all - open valid discourse is encouraged. I believe your horse was higher when you, with disdain, called for a Kerry apology for insulting U.S. troops.

I humbly apologize for not recognizing your sensitivity to this subject matter.

 

[OTBn]

And who did i direct that comment towards?

KERRY! not you!

By the by... I wasn't an English major but I believe when you make (made) a reference to "Kerry should be" that's a third person singular grammatical form... and you know what that implies - right? Besides, I didn't realize Kerry read this board... so, since many of my comments are "directed towards" the Shrub, and I'm pretty confident in saying he doesn't read this board, please feel free to offer your comments, in kind.

OTBn edit: hey, when ya remove yer post it makes me look like I'm talkin to myself... all kidding aside - I really do apologize and meant no personal offense.

 

[Randy Whorewald]

Ha Randy, look shapeshifter’s joined your silly bugger brigade. You guys need to read a bit more…


Randy… read my reply again… I reference the Kerry quote the way he’s said it, over and over, these last months. Yes, it’s a tired routine – yet it has but a single word difference from what had been played up by the GOP/mainstream media. That single word, the word “us”. It’s a single word that takes the inference away from the intended Bush target.

the GOPs moved on – they’ve played the Kerry gaff for all it’s worth. No one of substance/influence is still holding to that “Kerry insulted the troops” bleating.

The Kerry quote I am referencing is the one he made a few days ago and its still very alive in US news. If you could only read.
I (and nearly everyone else), could give two shits how many times he said it before.

"Fallout from Bush-Kerry flap reflected in comments, schedule changes on campaign trail -November 1, 2006"

Kerry’s Comments: Truth or Joke?

http://www.newsmax.com/poll/kerry/?PROMO_CODE=27D3-1&s=br

His current bleating sounds familiar:

Kerry's '72 Army Comments Mirror Latest


During a Vietnam-era run for Congress three decades ago, John Kerry said he opposed a volunteer Army because it would be dominated by the underprivileged, be less accountable and be more prone to "the perpetuation of war crimes."


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/11/2/211913.shtml?s=lh

Karl Rove's Dream: Kerry's October Surprise

WASHINGTON -- Karl Rove has been promising GOP supporters an October Surprise. So far, a White House backed news event has not happened.



Interestingly, Rove may have been more psychic than instigator. Senator John Kerry's recent controversial remarks produced an October Surprise that may help the GOP come election day.
Kerry's comment suggesting that those who are uneducated and not "smart" end up "stuck in Iraq" handed Republicans a ready symbol of what Congress will be like if Democrats win control on Tuesday: anti-military, elitist, and wrong on the issues.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/11/2/110730.shtml

Kerry voted for the effen war in the first place, so his statement is absurd. Him taking shots at Bush is the real hypocrisy here, not the meaningless shit he said. If you had read the reports about it as much as I have, he initially refused to aplogize and only did so after it blew up all over the media.