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Japan WWII 'comfort women' were 'necessary' - Hashimoto

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I thought some of you may find this story interesting. BBC

Japan WWII 'comfort women' were 'necessary'

A prominent Japanese politician has described as "necessary" the system by which women were forced to become prostitutes for World War II troops.

Osaka Mayor Toru Hashimoto said on Monday that the "comfort women" gave Japanese soldiers a chance "to rest".

On Tuesday, Japanese ministers tried to distance themselves from his remarks.

Some 200,000 women in territories occupied by Japan during WWII are estimated to have been forced to become sex slaves for troops.

Many of the women came from China and South Korea, but also from the Philippines, Indonesia and Taiwan.

Japan's treatment of its wartime role has been a frequent source of tension with its neighbours, and South Korea expressed "deep disappointment" at Mr Hashimoto's words.

"There is a worldwide recognition... that the issue of comfort women amounts to a war-time rape committed by Japan during its past imperial period in a serious breach of human rights," a South Korean foreign ministry spokesman told news agency AFP.

Mr Hashimoto is the co-founder of the nationalist Japanese Restoration Party, which has a small presence in parliament and is not part of the government.

“Mr Hashimoto's remark came at a bad time”

Hakubun Shimomura
Education Minister
He was the youngest governor in Japanese history before becoming mayor of Osaka, and last year said Japan needed "a dictatorship".

In his latest comments, quoted by Japanese media, he said: "In the circumstances in which bullets are flying like rain and wind, the soldiers are running around at the risk of losing their lives,"

"If you want them to have a rest in such a situation, a comfort women system is necessary. Anyone can understand that."

He acknowledged that the women had been acting "against their will". He also claimed that Japan was not the only country to use the system, though it was responsible for its actions.

He said he backed a 1995 statement by Japan's then-PM Tomiichi Murayama, in which he apologised for war-time actions in Asia.

"It is a result of the tragedy of the war that they became comfort women against their will. The responsibility for the war also lies with Japan. We have to politely offer kind words to [former] comfort women."

'Historic given'

Recent visits to Japan's war-linked Yasukuni shrine sparked protests in South Korea
On Tuesday Japan's Cabinet Minister Yoshihide Suga declined to comment directly on Mr Hashimoto's remarks but reiterated the government's existing stance on comfort women.

He said the government felt "pains towards people who experienced hardships that are beyond description".

In 1993, Japan issued an apology for the "immeasurable pain and suffering" inflicted on comfort women. In 1995, it also apologised for its war-time aggression.

Education Minister Hakubun Shimomura also expressed concerns over Mr Hashimoto's remarks.

"A series of remarks related to our interpretation of (wartime) history have been already misunderstood," he told reporters. "In that sense, Mr Hashimoto's remark came at a bad time."

Last month, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe angered China and South Korea when he suggested he may no longer stand by the wording of Japan's 1995 apology, saying the definition of "aggression" was hard to establish.

Japanese ministers later sought to play down his remarks, amid anger across the region.

Japan's neighbours also objected to visits in April by several cabinet members and 170 MPs to Japan's Yasukuni shrine, which honours Japan's war dead, including war criminals.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22519384
 

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It's all just politics and posturing with regard to the territorial dispute. You think China actually cares? They just want to claim the Diaoyu Islands and the fishing rights that would afford them.

I'm not trying to downplay the shit that went on during the war, I'm just saying that Japan has formally apologized and made retributions so many times now that it's gotten really old.
 

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You’re too quick dude!
I was going to post a lot of links to Allies (American and Russian in particular) rape during/after WW2. And of course follow up with a little speech on how the “Victors” write the history.

As for Yasukuni Shrine, B.S. pure and simple
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At least you never typed it all up and I snuck in and said the same thing just before you clicked, that happens so often its crazy.
 

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I'm not trying to downplay the shit that went on during the war, I'm just saying that Japan has formally apologized and made retributions so many times now that it's gotten really old.
I am not saying I don't agree with you, however, trying to rewrite history is a legitimate offence. I have no problem with people having a problem with this.
 

wilde

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That’s kinda my point. Governments always have and always will rewrite history, nothing at all rare or strange with this. What is strange is how some countries seem to think the word apology is a recurring act.
Let's put this into an example. You live in village A, I live in village B. I invade your village, kill 5% of your population, rape your women as well as forcing some to become "comfort women". Then village C came along and defeated my village. I apologize for the acts of monstrosity that befell on your village. Then I attempt to whitewash those acts years later. Do you have a right to be pissed? I guess you are saying you don't.
 

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Let's put this into an example. You live in village A, I live in village B. I invade your village, kill 5% of your population, rape your women as well as forcing some to become "comfort women". Then village C came along and defeated my village. I apologize for the acts of monstrosity that befell on your village. Then I attempt to whitewash those acts years later. Do you have a right to be pissed? I guess you are saying you don't.
Of course they have a right to be pissed off, and it doesnt even matter if village C also raped and pillaged when they retook village A, they dont cancel each other out. The question is who's version is actually correct? Probably neither... I dont really put much faith into the Japanese media, nor do I trust the Chinese government's account on events.

My question is, once this is all over... should village Q be pissed off, and claim the lands and fishing rights around village M because of the transgressions revolving around A, B, and C?
 

wilde

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Of course they have a right to be pissed off, and it doesnt even matter if village C also raped and pillaged when they retook village A, they dont cancel each other out. The question is who's version is actually correct? Probably neither... I dont really put much faith into the Japanese media, nor do I trust the Chinese government's account on events.
Then tell me, what do you believe?

For example, was the holocaust real?
 

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Japan's issue is they dither. They apologize and then unapologize. Then the apologize unreservedly. Then they qualify the so-called unreserved apology. There are too many voices. We had a similar thread a few months ago - I posted pages and pages of apologies. That Osaka mayer is like Toronto's Rob Ford. Thank god our nut-job doesn't comment on the international stage.

It's too bad they can't say we apologize for ABC, we will never apologize for XYZ, then permanently STFU.
 

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All this happened in the last century.

Japan has allready apologized for this many times.

This particular individual is a mayor. He does not represent Japan.

The people up in arms are well aware of all these things, but still they are outraged at Japan.

It is stupid. Move on. This is here and now, not 70 years ago.
 

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Then tell me, what do you believe?

For example, was the holocaust real?
Oh my post did come off as not believing the events happened, sorry about that, it's not my opinion at all... the Japanese were bastards during the war, no denying it. I'm just talking about the reporting of the exact events, statistics, apologies, and political views. It feels like the Chinese are over exaggerating the events to serve their political process, and the Japanese are downplaying them.
 

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Hey Wilde,

You’re Chinese and maybe a bit sensitive, I get it, but it’s a very long time ago. Did China ever thank Japan during the Boxer Rebellion for actually turning their guns on the Germans (allies at the time) when the Germans were gang raping women to death? Not that I know of. Have they been crying for an apology from any of the 8 nations in that Conflict/Occupation? Not that I’ve heard of. (Fun Fact, out of the 8 nations, Japan was the only one NOT raping women) How about accepting Japanese ODA even though the Chinese space program passed the Japanese space program? No thank you for that either, in fact, the last few years the payments were going down and China bitched about it. Where’s the “Thanks for cash Japan”?

During Tiananmen when pretty much the whole world criticised China for killing kids China told the world to go F**K themselves and not meddle in internal affairs. So you’re saying Japan doesn’t have that right? Are you saying that a little prick in local office in Japan must clear his thoughts with a Communist government in China? How about Japan editing Chinese history books?

Do you think China asked for input when writing about:
The Korean War – The U.N’s version
Invading Tibet – Tibet’s version
Invading India – India’s version
Invading the Soviet Union – The Soviet version
Invading Vietnam – Vietnam’s version

Japan has apologised so if China and Korea want to keep bitching, they just look like bitter old wives that need to get out more.

We can go on for days with who did what, when and how many times but I have a job. If you want to remember everything that ever happened, move to the Middle East and spend your entire life hating whilst at the same time ensuring there will never be peace. If not, get over it.

For the record, Canada has to my knowledge only apologised once to Japan for the concentration camps and I don’t think “Raping women left at home after rounding up the men” was in the apology. How many times have you heard of Japanese crying about it?

Remove your “heritage” from the equation and just use logic.
Other than supporting the Canadiens, you seem like a logical fellow.

Peace
Got to hand it to you, you are very good at deflecting the real issue at hand by raising a bunch of seemingly relevant questions.
 

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