Jail Time Coming for Clients in Canada ??

[susi]

great discussion everyone!!

i have emailed every member of parliament in the past regarding joy smith but it looks like i will be doing it again! this woman is beyond ridiculous! when i phoned her office they started rattling off the usual rhetoric until i started calling them on it, then they didn,t want to discuss it any more...silence on the phone....my god!!i am speaking to a prostitute!!!AHHH!!!

anyway, we should have a nationally applicable stragtegy after our human rights conference/meetings this year/next spring for the big meeting and we will be able to lobby with that (hopefully) in a unified way across the country through all the sex worker positive org's.

we have developed an outline here in BC that many here have contibuted to but it needs work...alot of work!lol but the meetings leading up to and including the conference meetings should see it even more streamlined and clear as a way more complete plan than the nordic model which frankly does nothing to adress any of the things they want it too ie- human trafficking and youth exploitation.

we argue that these women- feminazi's- are really just hateful and violent. that they really are willing to do anything, including kill women, to attain their goal of the abolition of prositution. they don't care if women die as a result of their "priciple". to say nothing of male and trans workers who are, according to the feminazi's, actually not men or trans when they are prostitutes, they are women...i guess because to the it's all about who receives the cock, if you receieve the cock, you are a woman...fuckin weirdo's....ahhh, i love cursing in type...

the woman who authored the origional piece is a notorious sex worker hater. she doesn't care about facts she only cares about hurting men,which in my opinion is what this all comes down to.

gender based violence against men and sex workers considered reasonable casulaties because we are pereceived to be allied with men.

they hate men and want to punish them and so attack sex workers to kick men where it counts, in the balls!!

a student has offered to develope a marketing campaign for our ideas so some of the ideas proposed earlier in the thread could come to fruition. if people would like to take part in developing the message for our counter abolition campaign, pm me and i will include you. it will be ongoing over the next 8 weeks!

i hope everyone is welland as always, if anyone has any question or concerns please feel free to contact me!
love susieXXXO

 

[treveller]

Excellent. A campaign to Prohibit Prohibition

 

[susi]

sweet!!!

or like the campaign in halifax that had a youth saying," i am glad my prostitute made me finish high school" we could do one about men, " my rapist helped me "...." i was so proud of my pervert when he became a police officer""....

maybe not!lol

anyway, we could arrange a conference call for people outside of vancouver too...?
love susieXXXO

 

[the old maxx50]

It seem the Canadian judicial system is full of ambiguous laws .. Our present law on Prostitution is one of them ..and if this new idea on charging the client( I won't say men because women also pay fro services ) who pays for the service get drafted up and passed , then we will have another one that tries to have it both way ..It would be ok for women to sell sexual services but we can't buy them .....

Honestly as long as those that get arrested don't just roll over and fight for there right and get a lawyer that can write up a proper challenge under oure constitutiona rights and freedoms....

Or maybe all we have to do is prove what the agenda of these proponents to this new law is and why .. Like did there father , husband boy friend cheat on them with a escort...OR do they just want to kick guys on the ball for some other hate full reason... Promoting hatred against any one for any reason is a criminal act.. Some one is going to have to call them on it. and let them hang them selves.

 

[treveller]

If there is a need for a new challenge next year (heaven forbid) why wait for someone with lots of money, balls and principle to be charged.

Instead, set up a performance piece that will break every law on the books. Find a couple who will go into a room with $300 each and come out an hour later with each others money. Video the whole thing (Not the in the room part. We can take their word for that.) and give the evidence to some hard ass right wing police officer who will recommend charges.

The whole concept of prohibition can be shown for the farce it is or would be if it wern't so harmful.

 

[HaywoodJabloemy]

Joy Smith is at it again, today in the Winnipeg Sun. Laughably, she backs her assertions by pointing to Melissa Farley, one of the government's best "experts" whose research was revealed as a bunch of nonsense during the court case that resulted in the Himel judgement in Ontario.

I'm not one to routinely bash media, but there really seems to be a bias against the truth and reality in most of what gets attention in this country on this subject. Did any of them even bother to skim over the Himel judgement?

I really think that if most people understood there were thousands of sex workers and an already tolerated and often licensed by municipal authorities (through agencies and massage parlours) sex business across Canada, an even larger majority would support decriminalization. It should already be plainly apparent, but somehow the politicians and more strangely the media refuse to acknowledge it, and push the inaccurate image of there only being a few isolated cases of the business existing hidden behind closed doors, with all of it involving evil perverts abusing unwilling victims. Most people probably cross paths with a sex worker every day without knowing it.

And BTW, I saw a reader comment posted after the article that I can't find anymore (don't know if it was deleted or I'm now looking in the wrong place), that asked a question about the way Joy Smith wrote this opinion piece of hers. How many of those supposed RCMP trafficking investigations she mentions involve alleged sex slaves, and how many involve nannies, maids, or workers in other occupations not even related to the sex business? Wasn't there a large number of those associated with an investigation in or near Hamilton Ontario associated with construction or factory labour, or something like that? Does she want those evil businesses to be made illegal with the Criminal Code?

 

[Webster]

we argue that these women- feminazi's- are really just hateful and violent.

I'd just like to note here that this is a subset of feminists of the Dworkin ilk, and that borrowing Rush Limbaugh's rhetoric, which is meant to tar feminists as a whole, is legitimizing it and the conservative cause. Feminists have brought much good into the world and I thank them for it. Joy Smith can go fuck herself, which, partially thanks to feminism, is a much more socially acceptable activity than it once was. It's feminists who argue that women own their own bodies - holy fuck should you even have to make such an argument? Anyway, not to disagree with the thrust of susi's argument, but maybe the focus should be carefully defined.

I think I would read anything Bijou wrote anywhere about anything. Best writer on PERB methinks.