I'm guessing that you didn't read the linked article which is quite informative. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni
BTW, who was oppressing them in 1929? In 1948?
Israeli/Gaza: am I missing something here?
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BTW, who was oppressing them in 1929? In 1948?
I have access to Western and Eastern (Chinese/Oriental) media so you can't tell me shit. English media seems to be demonizing Palestinians for firing rockets into Israel. Chinese (HK) media are saying Jews are using illegal bombs on the civilians
http://www.mingpaovan.com/htm/News/20090106/ttaa1.htm
I don't know what's true anymore.
Its impossible to get an understanding of the current Gaza incursion without reading the Hamas Founding Charter
Here's a few items that secular Israel would find very troubling (in addition to the daily rain of Katyusha rockets)
Introduction:
Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors. The Islamic World is burning. It is incumbent upon each one of us to pour some water, little as it may be, with a view of extinguishing as much of the fire as he can, without awaiting action by the others.
1) Article Eight: The Slogan of the Hamas
Allah is its goal, the Prophet its model, the Qur’an its Constitution, Jihad its path and death for the case of Allah its most sublime belief.
2) Article Eleven: The Strategy of Hamas: Palestine is an Islamic Waqf
The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine has been an Islamic Waqf throughout the generations and until the Day of Resurrection, no one can renounce it or part of it, or abandon it or part of it.
3) Article Fifteen: The Jihad for the Liberation of Palestine is an Individual Obligation
When our enemies usurp some Islamic lands, Jihad becomes a duty binding on all Muslims. In order to face the usurpation of Palestine by the Jews, we have no escape from raising the banner of Jihad. This would require the propagation of Islamic consciousness among the masses on all local, Arab and Islamic levels. We must spread the spirit of Jihad among the [Islamic] Umma, clash with the enemies and join the ranks of the Jihad fighters.
4)Article Twenty-Eight
The Arab states surrounding Israel are required to open their borders to the Jihad fighters, the sons of the Arab and Islamic peoples, to enable them to play their role and to join their efforts to those of their brothers among the Muslim Brothers in Palestine. The other Arab and Islamic states are required, at the very least, to facilitate the movement of the Jihad fighters from and to them. We cannot fail to remind every Muslim that when the Jews occupied Holy Jerusalem in 1967 and stood at the doorstep of the Blessed Aqsa Mosque, they shouted with joy: “Muhammad is dead, he left daughters behind.” Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims. “Let the eyes of the cowards not fall asleep.”
While Israel was amassing troops on the Gaza border Hamas was busy Over in Gaza. According to the London-based Arabic (hence the lack of link) newspaper al Hayat, on Dec. Hama 23 Hamas legislators voted to introduce Sharia – Islamic law – to the Palestinian territories, including crucifixion (whether or not they're putting the Christ back in Christmas, they're certainly putting the crucifixion back in Easter)
Hamas receives a large chunk of its funding from its masters in Tehran. Ahmadenijad the Iranian president regularly calls for the destruction of the Israel and wiping it off the map and in his more moderate moments expects the world to convert to Islam and maybe move Israel to somewhere in Europe. After all how could you expect 300million muslims to live next door to 7 million "filthy" jews?
Israel needs to do whatever it deems necessary to defend its safety and the security ot its citizens. IF they have to follow the old Untouchables mantra of they put one of ours in the hospital and we'll put one of theirs in the morgue so be it. It was Hamas afterall that refused to renew the temporary "peace agreement".
Here's some reading material from some of the Hamas mouthpieces and their supporters throughout the world
http://memri.org/palestinian.html
Here's a few items that secular Israel would find very troubling (in addition to the daily rain of Katyusha rockets)
Introduction:
Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors. The Islamic World is burning. It is incumbent upon each one of us to pour some water, little as it may be, with a view of extinguishing as much of the fire as he can, without awaiting action by the others.
1) Article Eight: The Slogan of the Hamas
Allah is its goal, the Prophet its model, the Qur’an its Constitution, Jihad its path and death for the case of Allah its most sublime belief.
2) Article Eleven: The Strategy of Hamas: Palestine is an Islamic Waqf
The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine has been an Islamic Waqf throughout the generations and until the Day of Resurrection, no one can renounce it or part of it, or abandon it or part of it.
3) Article Fifteen: The Jihad for the Liberation of Palestine is an Individual Obligation
When our enemies usurp some Islamic lands, Jihad becomes a duty binding on all Muslims. In order to face the usurpation of Palestine by the Jews, we have no escape from raising the banner of Jihad. This would require the propagation of Islamic consciousness among the masses on all local, Arab and Islamic levels. We must spread the spirit of Jihad among the [Islamic] Umma, clash with the enemies and join the ranks of the Jihad fighters.
4)Article Twenty-Eight
The Arab states surrounding Israel are required to open their borders to the Jihad fighters, the sons of the Arab and Islamic peoples, to enable them to play their role and to join their efforts to those of their brothers among the Muslim Brothers in Palestine. The other Arab and Islamic states are required, at the very least, to facilitate the movement of the Jihad fighters from and to them. We cannot fail to remind every Muslim that when the Jews occupied Holy Jerusalem in 1967 and stood at the doorstep of the Blessed Aqsa Mosque, they shouted with joy: “Muhammad is dead, he left daughters behind.” Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims. “Let the eyes of the cowards not fall asleep.”
While Israel was amassing troops on the Gaza border Hamas was busy Over in Gaza. According to the London-based Arabic (hence the lack of link) newspaper al Hayat, on Dec. Hama 23 Hamas legislators voted to introduce Sharia – Islamic law – to the Palestinian territories, including crucifixion (whether or not they're putting the Christ back in Christmas, they're certainly putting the crucifixion back in Easter)
Hamas receives a large chunk of its funding from its masters in Tehran. Ahmadenijad the Iranian president regularly calls for the destruction of the Israel and wiping it off the map and in his more moderate moments expects the world to convert to Islam and maybe move Israel to somewhere in Europe. After all how could you expect 300million muslims to live next door to 7 million "filthy" jews?
Israel needs to do whatever it deems necessary to defend its safety and the security ot its citizens. IF they have to follow the old Untouchables mantra of they put one of ours in the hospital and we'll put one of theirs in the morgue so be it. It was Hamas afterall that refused to renew the temporary "peace agreement".
Here's some reading material from some of the Hamas mouthpieces and their supporters throughout the world
http://memri.org/palestinian.html
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These days they're following the mantra of "You kill one of our soldiers, we'll kill 500 of your civilians"
Worked out really well for the russians in Afghanistan..
You mean they can aim those primitive rockets and choose their targets? Dont think so. In fact they just aim them at cities and hope and wait for the outcry of the world for their collateral damage. Why do you think Hamas parades al their casualties for Al Jazeera and Al Arabiya
Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood just like Al Qaeda. This is why Egypt a predominantly muslim and Arab country wont even open up the borders to them. Its their association with the local MB a banned terrorist organization.
Oooohh, I love it when a fellow lappy pooner comes to the defence of an SP, shows your true colours, brown noser
Aaaah. Original.
This kind of response has my vote for most lazy, lame and overused cop-out.
It's a tie with the 'of course the white girls say (something negative about working conditions or the effects of lower rates, etc) about the asian micros, it's only because they're just jealous over losing business to the competition, which has drastically lower rates.' Blah, blah..
With the bottom line being; your opinion doesn't count because... the easy answer to discredit someone's opinion and diverting the focus to hide the fact that you've actually not even tried to argue the point being made but decide you have automatically won.
Lame, lame, lame.
Besides, it serves America's interest to keep the Middle East stable, if one can even call that, and keep Israel strong, thus, substantiating the loans to Israel. I'm sure they both share intel on their enemies such as Iran and Syria, and dude, it's better for all of us, trust me on this one, and I'm no CIA
Yes, they sure did a good job of showing their interest to keep the Middle East stable with the mess they've made of Irak.
Somehow I think it's only in their interest when it serves them in some way. Otherwise, I doubt it's at the top of the list of priorities.I'm sure you won't take offense if I pass on taking your word that either of those countries give a squirt about anyone else's interests but their own. They are at the root of or have their nose into so many conflicts to begin with, I don't think they deserve praise for their efforts in not having any of it backlash. If there wasn't any conflict, there would be no fear of backlash. No?
But hey, Israel's historically got $$$, don't throw a hissy fit over their lack of industries. Or ever hear of Wall Street, Hollywood? Lots of Jewish $$$, big fella
I'm not sure what the point you're making here is, and maybe I'm missing something, but doesn't Hollywood fall under the category of industry? Are you saying it's an Israeli industry because the big players are jews?
I personally think that the bottom line generalization about this has frankly nothing to do with money but Religion. It's not Israelis against Palestinians, it's Jews against Muslims, and this is just the latest in a history of constant battle over this area. the only way to solve it is to abolish dogmatic religious beliefs, which well never happen since the conflict reinforces dogmatic religious beliefs, or by making both sides economically viable to set up some mutual trade, which will never happen since the war prevents it, and 3rd parties (IE, American industry) can make more money through furthering the conflict.
Pretty much all the trouble in the world boils down to religious belief sadly.
Pretty much all the trouble in the world boils down to religious belief sadly.
The "Gaza Strip" has existed for over three thousand years. Gaza City is recognized as one of the oldest in the world dating back to th 13th Century BC
Yes Whackjob I stand corrected. Israel has only been the defacto overseers of Gaza since 67 .
My feeling regarding this is that like all of us in the West, the Jews have become much less sectarian and lead their lives in a more modern fashion.
All we need to do is wait for the Islam societies to evolve out of the middle ages where upon they will all slap themselves up side the head and realize how stupid they were.
They will see that their lives are not influenced by some magician who lives in the sky. Then they will also realize the benefits of living together in co-operation with the Jews.
Hittler as an opportunist took advantage of any hint of approval of his sick enterprise. He received it from the Grand mufti and also from his personal spiritual leader;................ Pope Puis XII
Yes Whackjob I stand corrected. Israel has only been the defacto overseers of Gaza since 67 .
My feeling regarding this is that like all of us in the West, the Jews have become much less sectarian and lead their lives in a more modern fashion.
All we need to do is wait for the Islam societies to evolve out of the middle ages where upon they will all slap themselves up side the head and realize how stupid they were.
They will see that their lives are not influenced by some magician who lives in the sky. Then they will also realize the benefits of living together in co-operation with the Jews.
Hittler as an opportunist took advantage of any hint of approval of his sick enterprise. He received it from the Grand mufti and also from his personal spiritual leader;................ Pope Puis XII
an interesting commentary i heard on the radio today,
hamas is not even supported by most arabs.
hamas seized control of gaza by a coup
several articles appeared in arab newspaper today condeming hamas
the war in the middle east is about radical islam pretty much againest everything else, including moderate arab states or believes.
an hamas is pretty much killing and starving its own people.
and something today they did, they hid weapons and bombs and soldiers inside a school.
radical islam is the enemy,
hamas is not even supported by most arabs.
hamas seized control of gaza by a coup
several articles appeared in arab newspaper today condeming hamas
the war in the middle east is about radical islam pretty much againest everything else, including moderate arab states or believes.
an hamas is pretty much killing and starving its own people.
and something today they did, they hid weapons and bombs and soldiers inside a school.
radical islam is the enemy,
Palestinians lived in Palestine/Israel since the beginning of time. They shared the land with other sects, including the Israelites who were a nomadic band of tribes travelling where there was work or food for their livestock. Countries did not exist back then as they do now, but city states did. Over the millenia the Israelites became dispersed throughout the world and, at various times in history, persecuted as outsiders.
In 1948, the United Nations headed by England, the US, and France decided that they belonged back in Palestine and resettled them there, renaming the place Israel. The people already living there were put in 'reservations' and kicked off land they and their forefathers lived on for centuries.
Does that last bit sound familiar? A similar scenario occurred in North America a few hundred years ago. The only difference is, the natives are kept sedated so as not to cause too much trouble. The Palestinians do not drink or do drugs, are not stupefied, and are fighting mad.
Quite frankly, I would be too.
GIVE THE PALESTINIANS THEIR OWN STATE AS WAS MANDATED SEVERAL TIMES BY THE UN. If the fighting continues, then we know where to lay the blame.
In 1948, the United Nations headed by England, the US, and France decided that they belonged back in Palestine and resettled them there, renaming the place Israel. The people already living there were put in 'reservations' and kicked off land they and their forefathers lived on for centuries.
Does that last bit sound familiar? A similar scenario occurred in North America a few hundred years ago. The only difference is, the natives are kept sedated so as not to cause too much trouble. The Palestinians do not drink or do drugs, are not stupefied, and are fighting mad.
Quite frankly, I would be too.
GIVE THE PALESTINIANS THEIR OWN STATE AS WAS MANDATED SEVERAL TIMES BY THE UN. If the fighting continues, then we know where to lay the blame.
But Israel's trying, but the Hamas believes in the total destruction of the Jewish state. So how do you expect to reason w/ fanatics and lunatics like that?
And Israel did leave Gaza a few years ago, hoping to make the Palestinians but it's never enough.
For starters, they have to stop rocketing Israel, it's a no-brainer; they're targeting civilians.
On the other hand, the most recent attacks, palestinian civilians have been innocently killed, only b/c of the chicken-shit Hamas hiding among the civilians. So don't blame the Israelis for targeting civilians.
It's only in this region where there's so much hatred, and regardless who was there first, c'mon boys, they gotta learn to live amongst each other. I truly believe Israel does want to make peace but when you've got idiots like the Hamas, al Brigades, etc. all wanting to attack Israel, well, there's a good starting point to do something about it!
Hamas founding charter
Article 7 of the Hamas Covenant states the following: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (the Cedar tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslem). This is what Muslims call True Hadith as in whats narrated that pedophile Mohammad had said.
Article 22 claims that the French revolution, the Russian revolution, colonialism and both world wars were created by the Zionists. It also claims the Freemasons and Rotary clubs are Zionist fronts.
"You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it."[106]
Article 32 of the Covenant makes reference to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion:
"Today it is Palestine, tomorrow it will be one country or another. The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."
Article 7 of the Hamas Covenant states the following: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (the Cedar tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslem). This is what Muslims call True Hadith as in whats narrated that pedophile Mohammad had said.
Article 22 claims that the French revolution, the Russian revolution, colonialism and both world wars were created by the Zionists. It also claims the Freemasons and Rotary clubs are Zionist fronts.
"You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it."[106]
Article 32 of the Covenant makes reference to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion:
"Today it is Palestine, tomorrow it will be one country or another. The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."
its really hard to have a discussion when people can't even agree on the facts, and resort to calling each other names,
gaza has a government much like the state,
hamas
did have control of the house,
but the president
who was not hamas and he was run out and hamas seized power,
hamas siezed power in a coup,
and ran the duely elected president out,
fact,
and it is a fact that hamas is not widely supported in the arab world.
there has been bitter fights between hamas and the fatah movement,
egypt wanted to hold a peace conference between hamas and the fatah movement,
hamas would not attend,
in arab newspapers there has been protests againest hamas, in arab newspapers, fact,
i wish people could leave there prejudices out of it and see things as they are,
and quite frankly i have said there is enough blame and blood to go around on both sides,
and i have posted that i have questioned the creation of the state of israel,
but the fact is it exists, now for some sixty some years,
and hamas broke the sieze fire and continues to hurl rockets across the border at israel,
are you going to state hamas is faultless and all the blame for this is on the jews. is that your position,
hamas is taken government relief world aid, and selling it to there own citizens. free donated aid,
hamas is actually shot of electricity to there own people just to make israel look bad,
its leaders its soldiers are in hiding in hospitals and schools.
there using schools and hospitals for amo dumps.
hamas.
also interesting for as much as people seem to hate the state of israel,
it is the only democratic country in the middle east, that holds regualar and free elections.
if i had my choice of country to live in the middleast,
it would be israel hands down,
but yes there is blame enough to go around on both sides,
and what the hell do you think any sane country in the world would do, if someone loobed rockets across the border at them
gaza has a government much like the state,
hamas
did have control of the house,
but the president
who was not hamas and he was run out and hamas seized power,
hamas siezed power in a coup,
and ran the duely elected president out,
fact,
and it is a fact that hamas is not widely supported in the arab world.
there has been bitter fights between hamas and the fatah movement,
egypt wanted to hold a peace conference between hamas and the fatah movement,
hamas would not attend,
in arab newspapers there has been protests againest hamas, in arab newspapers, fact,
i wish people could leave there prejudices out of it and see things as they are,
and quite frankly i have said there is enough blame and blood to go around on both sides,
and i have posted that i have questioned the creation of the state of israel,
but the fact is it exists, now for some sixty some years,
and hamas broke the sieze fire and continues to hurl rockets across the border at israel,
are you going to state hamas is faultless and all the blame for this is on the jews. is that your position,
hamas is taken government relief world aid, and selling it to there own citizens. free donated aid,
hamas is actually shot of electricity to there own people just to make israel look bad,
its leaders its soldiers are in hiding in hospitals and schools.
there using schools and hospitals for amo dumps.
hamas.
also interesting for as much as people seem to hate the state of israel,
it is the only democratic country in the middle east, that holds regualar and free elections.
if i had my choice of country to live in the middleast,
it would be israel hands down,
but yes there is blame enough to go around on both sides,
and what the hell do you think any sane country in the world would do, if someone loobed rockets across the border at them
Get your history right
Yes Israel is in the wrong on many levels here .. but not any more then those that allow the terrorist to working out of Gaze or any of the other areas.
If your anti semitic just say so then we will know where you are coming from.
But it is obvious that most of you don't even know the history of the area. Read your Bible .. not for the religion but the history.
As for who are the Jews are where they came from and what rights they have to the area . it ia about the same as every one eles in that area..
Most likely the Jews are a mixture of Persian that though their religion keep an ethnic purity for thousands of years. They were nomads just like most of the other tribes of the day .. which at one point in the history decided to settle down and toke some of the best and cities by force. just like all the other conquers before and after them. It was in the aftermath of being conquered by the Babylonian's , the Somarians , the Egyptians , the romans , the muslimls and the Turk's that they were scattered through out Europe. Being on the major trade rout from the middle east made it easy .. they went where the business went.
As for when they cam back into the area .. some probabliy never left. but many started imgrating there before WW1 and in 1919 when the british devided the whole are up that the turks had, The British made Palestine , Jordan, Iran ,Iraq and a number of the other state in the area. hey then allowed the jews to immigrate to Palestine which started problem right away.
You do realize that there also is another reason why the western world wants Israel to exist .. it is all about out Christan heritage and Jerusalem not being in the hands of the muslums. Remember the Crusades
They are al headed for hell because i can see the day when the whole area is going to get nuked it would solve one big problem.. i am sorry for all the innocent people that need not be killed but .. but is all about choses.
Yes i may be out to lunch ,but this is some thing that was argued and debated in my family for 40 years.. weather Israel is wrong or right or has the right to exist.. Funny thing is, go back 800 years i think my family roots were jewish probably christain that migrated into Germany and made them selves a settlement . A path long forgotten but still the feeling of connection
Yes Israel is in the wrong on many levels here .. but not any more then those that allow the terrorist to working out of Gaze or any of the other areas.
If your anti semitic just say so then we will know where you are coming from.
But it is obvious that most of you don't even know the history of the area. Read your Bible .. not for the religion but the history.
As for who are the Jews are where they came from and what rights they have to the area . it ia about the same as every one eles in that area..
Most likely the Jews are a mixture of Persian that though their religion keep an ethnic purity for thousands of years. They were nomads just like most of the other tribes of the day .. which at one point in the history decided to settle down and toke some of the best and cities by force. just like all the other conquers before and after them. It was in the aftermath of being conquered by the Babylonian's , the Somarians , the Egyptians , the romans , the muslimls and the Turk's that they were scattered through out Europe. Being on the major trade rout from the middle east made it easy .. they went where the business went.
As for when they cam back into the area .. some probabliy never left. but many started imgrating there before WW1 and in 1919 when the british devided the whole are up that the turks had, The British made Palestine , Jordan, Iran ,Iraq and a number of the other state in the area. hey then allowed the jews to immigrate to Palestine which started problem right away.
You do realize that there also is another reason why the western world wants Israel to exist .. it is all about out Christan heritage and Jerusalem not being in the hands of the muslums. Remember the Crusades
They are al headed for hell because i can see the day when the whole area is going to get nuked it would solve one big problem.. i am sorry for all the innocent people that need not be killed but .. but is all about choses.
Yes i may be out to lunch ,but this is some thing that was argued and debated in my family for 40 years.. weather Israel is wrong or right or has the right to exist.. Funny thing is, go back 800 years i think my family roots were jewish probably christain that migrated into Germany and made them selves a settlement . A path long forgotten but still the feeling of connection
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I'm with Maxx50 on this, it's all about religion... it's pointless to find a solution in politics, since politics have no control over dogmatic religious beliefs. It's a real sad mess. Religions aren't set up to be friendly of other religions, just the way it is.
Isn't there one simple bottom line?
If noone stands up for Israel,
and a majority of Arabs have their way,
there will be another Holocaust.
The civilized world cannot allow that to happen.
If noone stands up for Israel,
and a majority of Arabs have their way,
there will be another Holocaust.
The civilized world cannot allow that to happen.
So you think the Hama's Charter to destroy Israel, and their aim of killling Jews, is justified then?
True, I don't claim to know the history, all the facts, that's why I started this thread...glad we don't live in that area, but doesn't mean we can make our own judgements from what we read.
All this "Muslim" hatred for Israel has got me thinking. If they didn't focus on the Israelis, they all be targeting each other. Just because they all follow the same religion doesn't mean they were always holding hands, praying and feasting together. It's like saying all Christians get along with other Christians, and we know how truthful that is, lol
The Ottomans and the Persian weren't really the best of buddies, Egypt wanted British help back in the 1800's, and there's a reason for how Lawrence of Arabia worked as well as it did. Even nowadays, Sunnis are killing Shiite and vice versa in Iraq.
Imagine if the world just left the Middle East alone, all hell will break loose. The more powerful nations there will be boasting how they're the Alpha-male and hence, probably more violent and destructive conflict will arise, more than what we're seeing now, that's including the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Israel combine.
If supposedly the region is in what we consider the Middle Ages mentality, you'd see Iran slugging it out with Iraq, Egypt/Turkey feuding with less secular neighbours, the Saudi's with 2 of their holiest sites will be claiming dominance over the region. And lets not forget countries like Libya, Syria, and Kuwait.....
Now thinking about it, the Israel conflict might actually be the conflict that's saving an inmeasureable amount of lives
The Ottomans and the Persian weren't really the best of buddies, Egypt wanted British help back in the 1800's, and there's a reason for how Lawrence of Arabia worked as well as it did. Even nowadays, Sunnis are killing Shiite and vice versa in Iraq.
Imagine if the world just left the Middle East alone, all hell will break loose. The more powerful nations there will be boasting how they're the Alpha-male and hence, probably more violent and destructive conflict will arise, more than what we're seeing now, that's including the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Israel combine.
If supposedly the region is in what we consider the Middle Ages mentality, you'd see Iran slugging it out with Iraq, Egypt/Turkey feuding with less secular neighbours, the Saudi's with 2 of their holiest sites will be claiming dominance over the region. And lets not forget countries like Libya, Syria, and Kuwait.....
Now thinking about it, the Israel conflict might actually be the conflict that's saving an inmeasureable amount of lives
