is this the end for crooked cops?

[Miss Hunter]

To play the devils advocate...

There's also issues with untreated PTSD and other mental illness amongst officers. And it isn't taken seriously, They're expected to just man up and plow through. This needs to be addressed maturely. It's not a good thing to have mentally unstable individuals running around with deadly weapons..especially as a career.

I've had to watch simulations of situations they go through when having to make split second decisions in regards to use of deadly force. It's so easy for us to sit back and judge their actions after the fact but they are humans too who make bad decisions at times.

Some get into that profession just to bully others around (these are the individuals that need to get weeded out and eliminated asap) Some start out good and the bad barrel they're in changes them. And others are honestly trying their best, hanging onto their integrity, but they make mistakes too.

 

[westwoody]

the police in Nova Scotia could have retreated to their vehicles and locked the doors! if you're laughing then its because our society has been so brainwashed

You are out of your frikn mind.
I was severely wounded in the military when a bullet went through a window of a vehicle I was in, and it ended my career.
Your post is insulting to many who had similar injuries or died.
Also, one of those RCMP DIED because she couldn’t stop the guy from inside her car. The guy is walking around shooting people at random, how is sitting in her car going to help?

holy shit lol ? Have you ever been shot at? Have you ever had a friend shot right next to you? Maybe admit you have no experience eh

 

[80watts]

Besides the math, the point was it took 20 police officers to bring the guy down.
FH, I didn't feel like breaking it down into hourly wages...
Now if they trained one of them, to lasso the machet guy....Ooops bad ideal, a black person might think its a hanging rope... You see damned for anything you say....

 

[Newb808]

You are out of your frikn mind.
I was severely wounded in the military when a bullet went through a window of a vehicle I was in, and it ended my career.
Your post is insulting to many who had similar injuries or died.
Also, one of those RCMP DIED because she couldn’t stop the guy from inside her car. The guy is walking around shooting people at random, how is sitting in her car going to help?

holy shit i got to stay away from this site and all you idiots lol ?

I think the poster was referring this. Every single encounter is different, and I’m not specifically commenting about the shooting of Rodney Levi, but hypothetically retreating to a vehicle or fleeing in general when someone is brandishing a knife or other deadly weapon isn’t a viable strategy in many situations. Maybe the assailant attacks a bystander or pulls a gun and attacks the now prone officers. Maybe it’s a setup. If an assailant is armed, but presents no immediate threat and the vicinity is clear, then give him some space, talk it out, get the shields or less lethal arsenal etc. Police would not be as effective, and violent criminals would be a hell of a lot more dangerous, if cops weren’t trained or permitted to use lethal force.

 

[marsvolta]

I think the poster was referring this. Every single encounter is different, and I’m not specifically commenting about the shooting of Rodney Levi, but hypothetically retreating to a vehicle or fleeing in general when someone is brandishing a knife or other deadly weapon isn’t a viable strategy in many situations. Maybe the assailant attacks a bystander or pulls a gun and attacks the now prone officers. Maybe it’s a setup. If an assailant is armed, but presents no immediate threat and the vicinity is clear, then give him some space, talk it out, get the shields or less lethal arsenal etc. Police would not be as effective, and violent criminals would be a hell of a lot more dangerous, if cops weren’t trained or permitted to use lethal force.

yes, thanks for pointing out that i was referring to the Rodney Levi situation. of course retreating is not always a viable strategy. an active shooter situation requires immediate and absolute intervention.

but its important to note the tv era we live in where these absolutely rare instances of violence are made to feel common is not real life. far more of us will die from some rare disease than will be killed by an active shooter. the vast majority of police officers will end long careers without ever having to brandish a firearm let alone discharge one. working in the building trades is far more dangerous than being a police officer. again, readers are invited to read about alternative models that don't send the marines to most calls. we're not talking about armed bank robbery. and people in crisis almost always react badly to front line workers who are immediately going to want to restrain them by force! they don't act that way to fireman, ambulance attendants, nurses etc.

and i find it interesting re Rodney Levi that the police are not even confident enough to say that he threatened them in anyway. that he "was in possession of knives". not really reason enough for someone to die so far.

 

[Newb808]

Someone can be an unarmed « mental health call » and pull a gun though or maybe the physical imbalance between the person in distress and whoever is trying to de-escalate could prove fatal for the latter, if a fight breaks out. Armed or not, should the social worker or cop just take the beating and or hope their gun isn’t taken? I’m all for specially trained crisis de escalation officers (maybe unarmed, maybe accompanied by a normal officer) or other such personnel/methods, but even an unarmed assailant can warrant lethal force.
I don’t know about most cops never “brandishing” their weapons. Firing is rare in Canada, but even rural cops have occasion to pull it every now and then, if not more often. Not a daily occurrence but it happens.
I have some law enforcement in my family and have a friend in the CBSA. My relatives are both retired and they’ve both pulled their weapons, been in armed confrontation(s) and been deployed to manhunts of armed murder suspects. One even killed a guy during a traffic stop. Got a commendation. The deceased pulled a gun and missed, ran and tried to pull another before being shot in the back. Oh yeah and he had an abductee in his(or rather the abductee’s) trunk. That incident lasted 90 seconds and the first clue of trouble was noticing a parolee card, 3 seconds before the assailant’s first gun was fired. It’s not common but it happens, and they have to be ready.

 

[marsvolta]

police are important first line respondents. i don't think there is any argument otherwise. but the model has to change. 7 of every 10 fatalities at the hands of police in Canada are suffering from mental or substance abuse. when police arrive on the scene then people in crisis do not view them as "help" but a threat. systems like Cahoots have been working in other districts for years with great success leaving traditional policing to do what they do best and at great savings.

but getting back to the original subject, we need total transparency in policing. its on the public dime, there is no excuse for it being otherwise. we need bad cops to be fired or charged and not be protected by other cops and police unions alike.

 

[frisky business]

is this the end for "crooked cops"?

I'm gonna digress for a moment and actually get back to the OP's original question.

And my answer is no, not a chance. A pretty good guide to the future is to look at the past. Think of the Rodney King police beating of 1991 and the LA Riots of 1992. The people were beyond pissed when the home-made-movie was widely aired and the officers were charged. But the mayhem didn't start until the officers were acquitted by 12 blind white jurors.

100 people were killed and there was over US$1Bill in property damage.

Not much changed then. Not much will change now.

 

[Lets Review]

I thought this was an interesting article about the Nova Scotia nutjob and the RCMP:

https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada...ase-has-hallmarks-of-an-undercover-operation/

 

[johnnydepth]

Most cops are decent people and are great at their job. Tough job; I wouldn't want to do it. One of the biggest problems is the media only reporting when cops fuck up or when we become aware of a bad one. I've had to deal with the police a lot and I've seen first hand the types of piece of shit people they have to deal with. A bigger problem than policing is the penal system. Far too many people on the street that should be in jail.

 

[Miss Hunter]

Most cops are decent people and are great at their job. Tough job; I wouldn't want to do it. One of the biggest problems is the media only reporting when cops fuck up or when we become aware of a bad one. I've had to deal with the police a lot and I've seen first hand the types of piece of shit people they have to deal with. A bigger problem than policing is the penal system. Far too many people on the street that should be in jail.

And to add to this... many people who are actually in jail right now should be in mental health treatment facilities instead.

 

[zippy45]

And to add to this... many people who are actually in jail right now should be in mental health treatment facilities instead.

Blame the Govt, they shut down riverview and put that on the cops, cops are not trained to deal with mental problems