Is Nonis doing a good job?

[The Lizard King]

Signed Ohlund today, a good thing, and signed the 3rd best UFA out there. Sure Naslund was here already but he could have gone somewhere else and didn't. Other than Cooke, everybody else worthwhile is locked up. Carter's a decent depth addition and the trade for McCarthy is unreal. That could easily be another Naslund type deal. If someone said that they could trade Sopel or Malik even up for McCarthy, I would have done it. I like the draft, Mason Raymond could be the steal of the draft. The only thing I don't like is the signing of Park so early. He's clearly a generic depth player and they're a dime-a-dozen so it made no sense to sign him right away when they could have filled that spot anytime. I'm even okay with their goaltending given the realistic options that were out there, barring a trade.

Now they need to make a deal. Jovo's a UFA next year, I don't want to see him go, but he makes a lot of dough and is going to want even more. So if it's really an option, they need to pull the trigger on that Florida deal. Jovo wouldn't mind, he lives there and his wife's a Florida girl, and he might even sign for a little less there.

Jovo and Cloutier, and say Ruutu or Park, to Florida for Luongo and Bouwmeester would do just fine. Sign Brad Ference and Baron to give them 7 D's, a little toughness and some veteran grit and leadership, and they'll be right in the mix at the very end.

I would have no problem putting my money on this team:
Naslund-Morrison-Bertuzzi
Carter-Sedin-Sedin
Linden-Kesler-Cooke
King-Bouck-Ruutu/Park/Brookbank

Ohlund-Bouwmeester
Salo-Allen
McCarthy-Baron/Ference

Luongo-Auld

 

[planetsmurf]

i think nonis is doing a good job and when first heard the rumor of luongo being traded i doubted it but now after heatley/hossa who knows in the NHL now guys i thought were untouchable and franchise players may get traded for cap space

 

[Osiris]

I think Nonis is doing a good job. Aside from Park, the signings that have happened look to have happened in the right order of priority.

I'm not even sure what it would take for me to say he's doing a great job at this point.

I think I have to see what the team is like working together at least half way through the season before I can say anything more. I was critical of Nonis standing pat while most other teams in the division have made a splash with major deals, but almost all of those teams were thin compared to the Canucks top 5 skaters.

And, it's still early days. One big trade would change the picture.

Let's see what happens when the puck drops.

 

[smackyo]

he hasn't in my mind done as good as both alberta teams but done a ton better then eastern canadian teams. biggest mistake though was signing cloutier. make that florida deal. i like that deal.

 

[Kev]

I'm not really sure lets ask smackyo.

Smackyo is Nonis doing a good job?

Oh i see ya posted above. I missed that.

 

[KYG]

What about Scott Lachance is a 6th defenceman?

 

[lenny]

He signed Cloutier...

 

[smackyo]

I'm not really sure lets ask smackyo.

Smackyo is Nonis doing a good job?

Oh i see ya posted above. I missed that.

kev we are on a peace vibe but i swear i will hunt you down

 

[wilde]

From a shadow GM to another

Jovo and Cloutier, and say Ruutu or Park, to Florida for Luongo and Bouwmeester would do just fine. Sign Brad Ference and Baron to give them 7 D's, a little toughness and some veteran grit and leadership, and they'll be right in the mix at the very end.

If I was Nonis, I wouln't think twice about doing this deal. If I was Mike Keenan, I would have to ask you what medications you are on? Why? Cause Jovo is going to be a UFA after this season, and Cloutier is not fit to carry Luongo's jocks strap. You can keep the change, I meant Ruutu and Park. I also would not sign the speedy defenceman - Murray "the pylon" Baron. You can always dream though.

 

[wilde]

Carter's a decent depth addition and the trade for McCarthy is unreal. That could easily be another Naslund type deal. If someone said that they could trade Sopel or Malik even up for McCarthy, I would have done it.

This is "Steve" McCarthy we are talking about, right? Not Darren McCarthy.

Well, Steve McCarthy, a 24-year-old from Trail, B.C., had a goal and three assists in 24 games for the Blackhawks in 2003-04. He missed the majority of the season with a groin injury. Chicago drafted McCarthy 23rd overall in the 1999 NHL entry draft. The six-foot, 200-pound blue-liner has three goals, 13 assists and 45 penalty minutes in 134 career games.

Are you still excited?

 

[cloud_9]

This is "Steve" McCarthy we are talking about, right? Not Darren McCarthy.

Well, Steve McCarthy, a 24-year-old from Trail, B.C., had a goal and three assists in 24 games for the Blackhawks in 2003-04. He missed the majority of the season with a groin injury. Chicago drafted McCarthy 23rd overall in the 1999 NHL entry draft. The six-foot, 200-pound blue-liner has three goals, 13 assists and 45 penalty minutes in 134 career games.

Are you still excited?

Do you mean Darren McCarty not McCarthy

 

[ace85]

Mcarthy

Is a good 4 or 5 nothing more.

CALGARY is much better than last year they played.

Edmonton only slightly better they gave up BREWER who is as good as Jovo to get Pronger (better than both) upgrade but with a subtraction.

PECA would be great if he was a secondline centre, but expecting him to be a number one is bad news. Craig McTavish actually said that they are expecting a big year from Shawn Horcoff. That is just POOR planning.

Edmonton and Vancouver are kind of in the same boat (limited young talent) best players getting worse. Expecting too much from career second / third liners (Sedin Sisters, Ryan Smith)

Calgary has the best player in the league, huge depth at defence, the future norris trophy winner (Phaneuf). Calgary has some defensive depth they can trade for some draft picks, and by the looks of things the better goalie.

Not to be dismissed is Darryl Sutter who has them all drinking the KOOLAID

 

[wilde]

Do you mean Darren McCarty not McCarthy

Sorry, I meant Paul McCartney......

 

[wilde]

Calgary has the best player in the league, huge depth at defence, the future norris trophy winner (Phaneuf). Calgary has some defensive depth they can trade for some draft picks, and by the looks of things the better goalie.

Not to be dismissed is Darryl Sutter who has them all drinking the KOOLAID

Calgary has a very good team, no doubt about that. But this coming season, every team that they play know they were one win away from the Stanley cup. Naturally, they will be pumped up to play against Calgary. Let's see how well they'll do then.

 

[ace85]

That is where Sutter comes in.

He walked in the previous season and said.

Listen, we are going to be better than Edmonton and they found 4 more wins. Enough to take the last playoff spot. He is too good a coach to let the team be not be up for important games. He also has a year or 2 of Honeymoon left with the PLAYERS.

Crawford is in tough, the team is on the downhill, plus he doesn't have a goalie that is good enough.

MacTavish doesn't coach offensive players very well, he likes to coach the talent out of people.

Anyway you look at it, Calgary and Ottawa are the 2 best canadian teams. Although Toronto can likely be very good. Sundin, Lindros, Allison, Tucker and Antropov at Centre, looks pretty good, even if one of the 2 signings gets hurt. They need a little help on Defence, but Jeff Oniel will have a big year.

 

[wolverine]

Edmonton only slightly better they gave up BREWER who is as good as Jovo to get Pronger (better than both) upgrade but with a subtraction.

Brewer's overrated, and Pronger is the best offensive defensemen they've had since Coffey. Which means that their lethargic powerplay should be greatly improved.

PECA would be great if he was a secondline centre, but expecting him to be a number one is bad news.

I would preferred someone like Kariya. That said, Peca is a speedy skater and has always been on defense-oriented teams. If he can switch on the after-burners in a more free-wheeling division, he may rack up some big numbers.

Craig McTavish actually said that they are expecting a big year from Shawn Horcoff. That is just POOR planning.

Horcoff supposedly had a very good year playing in Europe during the lockout, and they're hoping for him to repeat that.

If neither Peca or Horcoff deliver the goods then they can always trade for a more offensive center (I hear Philly may trade Michal Handzus because of the cap).

I'm more worried about their goaltending though.

 

[The Lizard King]

This is "Steve" McCarthy we are talking about, right?

You bet. His junior record was very strong, including the World Juniors, I saw him play about 30 games and he was the dominant D-man 90% of the time. He's been a captain on most of the teams he's played for including at the WJC. Brian Sutter's not exactly known for developing offensive talent, especially on the backend. Name one D-man that Sutter's helped make in all the years he's coached. He all but ruined Derek Morris. Look what Naslund did his first few years, he was 25/26 before he really turned into a decent player. And the Canucks gave up "what" for him? I'm confident that playing the Canucks style of play under Crawford will allow McCarthy to develop into a good player.

Although Toronto can likely be very good. Sundin, Lindros, Allison, Tucker and Antropov at Centre, looks pretty good, even if one of the 2 signings gets hurt. They need a little help on Defence, but Jeff Oniel will have a big year.

Surely you must have been stoned when you wrote this. The Leafs won't even make the playoffs!

Sure, not signing Baron does make sense but the Canucks do desperately need a stay at home, veteran D-man who doesn't need to play a lot of minutes. York? Maybe. Too bad they don't have the dough to throw at a McInnis or Stevens.

 

[ace85]

Leafs will make the playoffs

too much skill up front.

You give the NUCKS too much credit. JOVO was terrible at the world cup, and the reason they lost to the flames. Ohlund did more to stop iginla.'

Cloutier is in the bottom 10 goalies in the league.

 

[The Lizard King]

Okay let's really look at this:

Maple Laughs top 10 forwards:
Sundin
Allison
Lindros
O'Neill
Tucker
Antropov
Domi
Ponikarovsky
Stajan
Kilger

Canucks top 10 forwards:
Naslund
Bertuzzi
Morrison
Sedin
Sedin
Carter
Linden
Cooke
Kesler
King

Maple Laughs top 5 D-men
McCabe
Kaberle
Klee
Berg
Pilar

Canucks top 5 D-men
Jovonovski
Ohlund
Salo
Allen
McCarthy?

Maple Laughs 2 goalies
Belfour
Tellqvist

Canucks 2 goalies
Cloutier
Auld


I wouldn't trade Morrison for either Allison or Lindros even up, nor would I trade Naslund or Bertuzzi for Sundin. I wouldn't take any TWO Laughs D-men for either Jovo or Ohlund. Cloutier is not in the bottom 10 goalies in the league but Belfour is 40 years old, ripe for injury with a bad back, and playing behind a horrible defense with no defensive forwards. I'll take the Canucks every single time.

 

[lenny]

nonis needs to drink some noni juice to help his brain cell...