Is it really this bad? (SP life)

Tugela

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I've also became friends of a lot of current & former sp's, most of them say they just put there minds in a different place when there with a client.
Um....that applies to the vast majority of people who work with any sort of customer service. I don't think SPs are any different in that regard.
 

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The best thing we can do, is find a `legitimate`profession to claim for. $100 business license, and an SP can claim income. I agree that taxes will come back to bite you in the ass. I already got audited once for an unrelated profession in which I had to claim tips. (we were ALL audited.) I`d rather pay now, than a massive lump sum later.
Touche! I think CRA and IRS operate supercomputers running in parallel mode, crunching billions of data using multivariate algorithms with precise statistical probabilities to determine who are not paying their membership dues appropriately. They target the big ones first, but eventually they'll come and get most of the tax dodgers and evaders.
 

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This is where you are wrong Fractals, benefits with our health care & social programs does not require that you have a recognized profession.
It is solely based on residency & if you want to vote, on citizenship.

There is no reason whatsoever why someone earning the large amount of money that SP do should not pay their fair share in taxes.
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Touche again!

I'm happy to be wrong in this case.
 

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The best thing we can do, is find a `legitimate`profession to claim for. $100 business license, and an SP can claim income. I agree that taxes will come back to bite you in the ass. I already got audited once for an unrelated profession in which I had to claim tips. I`d rather pay now, than a massive lump sum later.
The good thing about that is you can also claim business deductibles. Cost for condoms, toilettries, perfumes, lingeries, cosmetics, cab fares, mortgage interest rates on the part of your condo you're using for the business, gymn and yoga costs to keep yourself fit.
 

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Exactly. Plus, something to put on resume.
The good thing about that is you can also claim business deductibles. Cost for condoms, toilettries, perfumes, lingeries, cosmetics, cab fares, mortgage interest rates on the part of your condo you're using for the business, gymn and yoga costs to keep yourself fit.
 

Tugela

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PS: Mary Magdeline was a prostitute and was Jesus' most faithful follower and there with him until the end although the Bible does say prostitution is morally wrong. Just a little tidbit while we are on the "found God" issue. lol.

**************BTW:I am not into debating religion.....I'm just sayin'!*****************
Mary wasn't a prostitute, the idea that she was came about hundreds of years later because the people of the time couldn't accept any other reason for a single woman to be independently hanging around a group of men. In some of the older texts that were not incorporated into the bible when it was compiled she is actually one of the disciples.
 

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Once again, It's only a shoddy piece of journalism if it's intent was to tell the truth. Since it is really a thinly disguised press release for a profit driven book, it doesn't really qualify as journalism at all. (IMHO)
Once a madam allways a madam....she is just servicing a different client base now.

Whenever you read about people like this you allways have to be suspicious about their motives. By her own admission she is someone who has allways exploited others, why should we think that it is anything different now just because she is singing a different tune?
 

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Once a madam allways a madam....she is just servicing a different client base now.

Whenever you read about people like this you allways have to be suspicious about their motives. By her own admission she is someone who has allways exploited others, why should we think that it is anything different now just because she is singing a different tune?
Peace to you. I just thought...

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That may be so, but on the other hand in all probability the people who have those problems are not going to come out of life in general unscathed either. If you are "damaged" and doing X it is easy to conclude that X was responsible for how your life turned out, but the truth is if you had being doing Y or Z instead the outcome would likely not be much different. I think that this is a problem that a lot of people who do research in this area don't grasp.

I have worked in a couple of agencies and have met many, many SP's and I would honestly say from my observations that maybe half of them had an obvious problem. Then again, half of most people do. It does definitely skew the way you look at sex and damages your ability to have healthy relationships with men. These aren't just street women, they are working out of agencies too. It doesn't make sense you could work as a prostitute for 21 years or even 5 years and come out unscathed.
 

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That is true, but it is true of any profession.

That lady's picture on the article - she looks souled out like an empty shell but good for her for changing things around.

Krustee I hear what you are saying about all the money spent. Some SP's may feel the same in that they have/had money but they no longer have the chance to have a family or children. I think that is the saddest thing. I don't feel sad myself but I do think that SP' s have to be very careful to take good care of themselves and not work too hard. It seems to block your spirit when all you do is work and it becomes a lifestyle - that's when vices come into play. I am no expert by any means and can't speak for all SP's; I am only speaking from my own personal experience:)
 

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Peace to you. I just thought...

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i like the video - nice...

but as to the ex-madam, i would like to agree that maybe she has changed, but i can't get past the demonstrated lies and untruths in the article about her book - and i assume therefore her book itself

so mark me down as a sceptic - and her down as unhanged

*edit: lol... you might mark her down as unhanged, but what i really meant to say was unchanged, there's a slight difference!
 
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Tugela

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I don't believe that people ever change at their core once they leave childhood. They might put on a different facade but deep down inside what motivates and drives them is the same.

i like the video - nice...

but as to the ex-madam, i would like to agree that maybe she has changed, but i can't get past the demonstrated lies and untruths in the article about her book - and i assume therefore her book itself

so mark me down as a sceptic - and her down as unhanged
 

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Actually the real benefit to doing this is to establish a credit rating and an income history. (They're obviously connected). I can't really think of many things more important in our society than a good credit rating.


The good thing about that is you can also claim business deductibles. Cost for condoms, toilettries, perfumes, lingeries, cosmetics, cab fares, mortgage interest rates on the part of your condo you're using for the business, gymn and yoga costs to keep yourself fit.
 

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Thanks for your work & advocacy toward making the sex industry a better place Susi!


How many of you gals are supporting Susi financially as she works on your behalf?

Anyone, anyone ...
That is a great question Krustee. Susi deserves all the help she can get!:)

Just here to stand up for my fellow pooners & encourage the fine ladies to be honest & respectful of all the hard work that goes into each dollar that the pooners spend on them.


That is all.

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And thanks for your advocacy toward making pooning safer for the rest of us saps Krustee!

How many of us guys are supporting Krustee financially for all the work he does on our behalf?

Anyone, anyone....???;):cool:
 

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I like how you argue apparent conjecture with anecdotal evidence. Where are your links? Not saying your objections are wrong, but don't attack the method with something equally as weak.

Secondly, inside and outside prostitution are both still prostitution. You differentiate, the author and subject didn't, so your refutations of the stats are really a straw man.

And finally, since the Canadian Professional Counsellors Association spells their trade name with two Ls, adhering to the chiefly British and Canadian spelling, and the newspaper is a canadian publication with a house style guide* that correctly specifies that counsellor be spelled with two Ls (along with other similar forms like traveller), that's a pretty lame and ignorant barb for you to jab in at the end there.

*I've written for them, so actually know this first hand. Actually in hand, because I'm currently holding a copy of it.

THE SEX TRADE IN STATISTICS:

Fist of all, these so called stats, don't have links, so I don't know if they're made up or not. Second of all, they are based on out door work not indoor. Maybe the links are in her book? Who knows.

...[snip]...

Who doesn't need counseling at some point in their life? Ps, you spelled counseling wrong.


phew that was hard work, typing all that, lol. I left out some stuff she said because I didn't think it was pertinent and it was already long enough.
 

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I would think that most of those stats are referring to ladies on the street.

Please take my following perspective and bad grammar respectfully-

I am a former escort and will honestly say I hated it most of the time. It isn't for everybody, and certaintly wasn't for me. A former "friend" had convinced me that she was 'happy' and living this great lifestyle where she didnt have to really work. This friend would flash around all this money she had to do wonderful superficial things I thought seemed pretty great at the time. Soo I tried it and got trapped by the money... money- the real reason 100% of us do it.

It was a never ending cycle for myself. Basically sleep with someone who is your fathers age or older all day, dealing with some extremely rude individuals who treat you like you are the scum of the earth (some clients were nice though)..the list goes on. After my wonderful day of sleeping with men twice my age, I'd go spend all the money away on stupid things (including drugs and alcohol) because I'd feel so bad about what I was doing with yourself. My work ethic went to shit, my self esteem went to the bottom & I destroyed relationships with friends and family because I was ashamed and paranoid of them finding out.

I will say that I met some great friends and had some great clients though. I have worked independently and through agencies.. I will say that most of the ladies I had come across had issues with sexual abuse (as well as myself), poor relationships with men, strong problems with drugs and alcohol (even in an advertised "drug free agency" I had worked for) and mental health issues- depression.

I do know there are a small percentage of ladies who say they do truly love their job and I don't doubt them.

Please don't tear me apart on here. I am sure there are some ladies who will agree with my situation, but would never post that on here because that would be bad advertising.

After seperating myself from that lovely friend who introduced me to a world of shit(my own opinion of course), I was able to eventually get out for good. I'm working in the real world, back to being myself, and finally in a loving relationship...couldn't ask for anything else.


Wow, this is one of the better reads on this subject that I have ever seen. It isn't laced with some Doctor Ruth-like overkill about the toll it takes on women, and it doesn't outright blame the men for the whole problem, like society as a whole loves to do. (in reality, "society" as a whole IS to blame, because 'society' condones the perpetuation of the abuse cycle before enacting "double jeopardy" on abuse victims by then deciding that doing the work for which societal flaws uniquely qualified them to do, is largely illegal in practical terms)


live.and.learn is an authentic person who communicates effectively and tells it like it is, while leaving out things that just wouldn't enhance the honest story. I'd never before figured-out the perspective of the everyday working girl spending a "day... sleeping with men twice (her) age", although there are so many clients and girls out there that it just may average out to that more often than not.


live.and.learn is just amazing for having both lived that life and told her story in a way that cuts to the crux of the matter, and shares what her outlook is really like. In many ways I credit the anonymity of the internet for allowing live.and.learn to post as she did. As for those critiquing her reasons for being on this site, it makes perfect sense that she would hover around what she has known... and that may go double if that loving partner of hers doesn't happen to know all of these details about her past.

Nothing about what live.and.learn offers here surprises me, yet I will still continue to justify my own participation given the vast social imbalance of available sexual interaction between men and women. Furthermore, the newly legal young women who populate the lower age range of the industry continue to come of age every day, and most of the time (at least in my circles) it is they themselves who draw upon their past "qualifications" for this line of work when opting to advertise their services in various locations.

I'd be really proud of our society if miraculously it would put an end to all child abuse and victimization and if as a result the world's oldest profession were to disappear (as might rebounds when basketball is perfected). That is really the only path toward eradicating prostitution as a whole, and perhaps everybody reading would agree on how incredibly improbable that would be. Until such a time, what frame of mind should I implement to conclude that it would be high and mighty of me to abstain from any sexual contact at all even though there are willing young working girls perfectly agreeable to fuck me for a price?

As prostitution probably represents the free-est market on earth, and as the girls tend to price themselves all over the board, almost arbitrarily, then isn't it natural that the fees generally balance the trade in the near term? They named the fee - I didn't - so with that I am perfectly willing to pay their asking price and truly enjoy their company.


Thanks, live.and.learn, for a great post !!!
 
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Margin of error

Actually yes you do, it's called the margin of error. It expresses the amount of random sampling error (in other words, the fact that you can't be sure that your sample was 100% representative of the population)

BTW great post Eva, I totally agree with you.

So how big was her sample size if the margin of error was 30% ? A dozen girls? Ones that used to work for her? I would say that her stats are meaningless. Also, she's just using those girls once again to her own ends to try to present herself as a born again moralist. Clearly she wasn't "forced" into the business at any time.
 
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