Is it really this bad? (SP life)
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Holy shit!
You saying yer a dude?
Guess I got confused cuz you write so much like a chick man.
Yeah, I realize that women do not have a monopoly on the whole swindle, con, hoodwink, bamboozle & fraudulent practice thing.
They may have perfected it to an art form but I will concede that they do not hold exclusive rights to illegal & unethical practices.
That said, you still seem to think that it is the suckers fault for being swindled?
Why exactly is that?
Did you take my commentary for whining there MS?
No, it ain't whining it's complaining.
Listen sailor boy, it's much better that I complain here than do what some less than gentile types, probably like yourself, do.
You know, those who go out & beat or kill those prostitutes.
I do not condone violence against women but I do fear that their actions may one day end up causing them harm.
Yer right MS I do know the risks & I have made changes accordingly.
I play the game on my terms now MS & trust me, I get a lot of bitching about it when I do.
I play the way I do now because of what happened in the past & idiots like you telling me to grow a pair do not intimidate me.
As for the original theme here & the question asked if it really is that bad ...
It completely depends on the gal involved as to whether or not she is a statistic or manages to better herself out of working in this biz.
Personally, I've seen much more bad than good & it is a real shame.
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Uh huh Mr you sure go to a lot of trouble to justify your weakness. Passing judgment on every woman in this trade (which you do by saying It completely depends on the gal involved as to whether or not she is a statistic or manages to better herself out of working in this biz.) does not help your cause.
Saying flat out stupid shit like " Listen sailor boy, it's much better that I complain here than do what some less than gentile types, probably like yourself, do. You know, those who go out & beat or kill those prostitutes." is even worse and a statement like "That said, you still seem to think that it is the suckers fault for being swindled?" requires only "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" to put it in perspective.
NOW then - my dad told me that debating with a moron only gives a modicum of credibility to said moron so we will end this foolishness here - you can have the last word since anything you say will be vapid and meaningless.
Good luck finding some nice lady to feel sorry for you.
Saying flat out stupid shit like " Listen sailor boy, it's much better that I complain here than do what some less than gentile types, probably like yourself, do. You know, those who go out & beat or kill those prostitutes." is even worse and a statement like "That said, you still seem to think that it is the suckers fault for being swindled?" requires only "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" to put it in perspective.
NOW then - my dad told me that debating with a moron only gives a modicum of credibility to said moron so we will end this foolishness here - you can have the last word since anything you say will be vapid and meaningless.
Good luck finding some nice lady to feel sorry for you.
Marooned, I'm not one to get on the Krustee bandwagon. I often disagree with what he writes but in this case, I think he makes a valid point. If you went to a dentist and were told it would cost $x for a root canal and when you got the bill, it was $x+$y+$z, all of the extra charges being things you had understood were included in the bill, you would not be a happy camper. If you went to a restaurant and asked for the dinner that included steak, a potato, vegetable, bread and then when you were taking a bite of the steak the waiter informed you that the price you were quoted really only bought you the steak but the potato, vegetable, and bread would each be a separate charge, would you not consider the restaurant unethical? Just because they might be able to get away with it doesn't make it right. Yes, you can simply stop eating there but that wasn't the point. Just because the customer is hungry doesn't give the restaurant carte blanche to engage in unethical or fraudulent practices. Advertising a steak dinner for a set price, then charging extra for items that were included in that price is fraud.
J - It's not that there are no sleazy, nasty SP's out there - Lord knows we've all met our fair share but you know.....if my dentist rips me off (and I have been ripped by dentists) I simply go find a good one and tell my pals to avoid the asshole. If I discover that the dentist business is full of assholes, I screen carefully, pay as I go and leave immediately if the red flags go up. Damn man, that aint hard is it? But to whine about bad dentists just makes me an asshole of a different kind. This guy feeds on negative bullshit and frankly I don't need to listen to it. We all have to deal with the good and the bad and I don't hear this kind of little boy poor me sh*t from the rest of the crew here. Do you? I didn't think so - most of us give our attention to the ladies we know and love. That's why this forum exists to weed out the bad apples. And you do remember who pays the freight here right? Indeedy do - it be da lasses who pay for our fun here and I thank them for that too. Are there any SPs here who post fraudulent rates? Any who engage in bait n switch? Any who play the upsell game? and if there were how long would they last? If Krustee wants to complain let him go stand on the corner of Main and Hastings and do it there. At least I wouldn't have him in my face annoying the crap out of me LOL
Elvis, I think you read the numbers correctly and they spelled "piece of sh*t"
Krustee, your "I got ripped off conned and upsold by all those bad, bad SPs" schtick is getting pretty tiresome. Truly, you sound like a patsy with "Mark" tattooed on his forehead for all the times you've been ripped off.
Either that, or you're a frustrated Revenue Canada agent who's mad 'cause those darn tootin' SPs just don't pay their fair share of taxes.
Either way, get over it!
That is all.
Either that, or you're a frustrated Revenue Canada agent who's mad 'cause those darn tootin' SPs just don't pay their fair share of taxes.
Either way, get over it!
That is all.
I barely even know what to respond with, outside of a grin.
The best part, was when MS was declared a pussy. (girl, that is!) LMAO.
HHBL, I miss our chats. I will make an effort to come into chat more frequently.
BS, you are a kind man, and intelligently straight-shooting.
Krustee, I think it's time to revamp your M.O. You don't have to hold in so much anger. It's not healthy for you or anyone else. I know you say that you are actually venting the anger, such that you will never be the one to resort to violence and such. But in my personal experience in life, the angry men are EXACTLY the men that have a propensity toward violent acts.
You show clear intelligence in your writing, but most of the time it lends itself to HOSTILITY and AGGRESSION. You are smart. Choose whether or not what I write has any creedence. But, make that decision knowing that I hold no ill-will to you. I don`t even know you, and likewise you of me.
The best part, was when MS was declared a pussy. (girl, that is!) LMAO.
HHBL, I miss our chats. I will make an effort to come into chat more frequently.
BS, you are a kind man, and intelligently straight-shooting.
Krustee, I think it's time to revamp your M.O. You don't have to hold in so much anger. It's not healthy for you or anyone else. I know you say that you are actually venting the anger, such that you will never be the one to resort to violence and such. But in my personal experience in life, the angry men are EXACTLY the men that have a propensity toward violent acts.
You show clear intelligence in your writing, but most of the time it lends itself to HOSTILITY and AGGRESSION. You are smart. Choose whether or not what I write has any creedence. But, make that decision knowing that I hold no ill-will to you. I don`t even know you, and likewise you of me.
but darlin.......all this time you knew I wasn't a pussy? How can that be??????????
Perhaps someone can do a study and come up some nice statistics on how likely it is to see 300 different sps and have 270 bad experiences, yet be on a review board which you'd think would improve your chances, statistically speaking lol. My pov on the "example" which I'm assuming he means each and every single sp he's seen excepting the 27 have rates higher than what he wanted to pay and rather than just say no thanks, agreed to the rates and regretted it later. Agreeing to pay high rates isn't being scammed or ripped off when someone has the choice to accept or leave, right? It isn't like the dentist, who quotes an estimate, then after the work is done presents a bill that is higher than agreed. This is a bill that is presented before anything happens, so it is double hard to understand the guy who says 600, sure, why not. And contrary to what's been said, the rates aren't hidden extra charges, they are the rates. Maybe out of touch with reality rates, but just rates. If they were lower, no one would say she was scamming, considering the rates are given before the action whether high or low, right. Maybe I am missing something here, where a grown man is unable take responsibility for himself, and later blames everyone but himself for his decision.
The one exception I would take with your comments is that upselling or outright fraud like this usually happens after money has been exchanged, so they are in fact hidden charges. It's like paying for the steak dinner with all the trimmings before it is brought to the table, thinking you are getting the dinner with the potato, veggies, and bread, then once you start eating the steak getting another bill for the potato, veggies, and bread. Yes, you can say no and walk out, but that wasn't the point. If you understood you were getting the complete dinner for the quoted price, then getting billed additionally for parts of it after you started eating, that's fraud and unethical.
I do agree that boards like this are extremely helpful in weeding through the frauds and finding the reliable and ethical ladies. You guys in Canada have it much easier that way. Although there are resources in the States, for obvious reasons it is not nearly as open and readily available.
You guys must be so bored to have that kind of cheap theory on a Friday night. Lol. It made me laugh so thank you.
I don't think its wrong to actually love my job, I even tried to think of what direction to be taking for when I eventually retire but nothing seems to compare. It is great money, I do get fantastic clients, I do love sex and even more so now that I have it more often and I don't see the big deal. Everyone gets a rotten apple customer no matter where they work and usually complain about for a day in total frustration but we shape our experiences with our own attitudes and that is every individuals responsibility. But seriously how she got low self esteem beats me, my clients kill me compliments I am almost permanently red in the face.
I go down to Seymore Street where the hotties are with their little umbrellas and cute white ankle socks, and think to myself "ah I'm gonna score tonight - this night is gonna be different than all the others. Somehow I manage to put my brain on ignore and tune out that voice of reason that reminds me "dude, every girl here has a pimp who pushes her to rip as much money as possible out of every suckers wallet. You know this man, so why are we here? This track is known unfriendly territory, like the midway at the carnival where every game is a setup." I know this but here I am. My name is Krustee and I'm a sex addict.
INSANITY IS DEFINED AS REPEATING THE SAME BEHAVIOR AGAIN AND AGAIN AND EXPECTING DIFFERENT RESULTS
INSANITY IS DEFINED AS REPEATING THE SAME BEHAVIOR AGAIN AND AGAIN AND EXPECTING DIFFERENT RESULTS
I don't agree with everything that you post and I make it known whenever I see your view differs from mine. However, you have my respect for having the experience you have and for sharing your experience with such candor to everyone else here. I also like the way you respond to an issue without resorting to name calling, except for that time where you took the easy way out and referred to someone as a 'pussy'. I think you are more than capable of providing a reasoned and well-thought out response so there is really no need for you to take the easy way.I'll put my character on the line anytime cuz thus far it has never failed to exonerate me.
All I am asking is that the ethical & decent providers on here give a little mentor ship to those who seem to have difficulty in that department.
Their unethical behavior casts a bad light on this industry & all the good providers in it.
That is all.
Like you and probably most everyone else here, I believe the slow move towards legalization is causing more harm than good.
Once this industry is legalized, SPs will be able to have safer work environments and have recourse to the social-justice system which is currently accessible only to those with conventional jobs. Perhaps, right now it is not fair to demand all SPs to pay their taxes as they do not get the full benefits of citizenship in our country. But once their profession is recognized by our government, they should be required like everyone else to pay their membership dues. A while ago, I read in an escort blog about an SP who conscientiously pay her taxes and encourages other SPs to do the same. So there are SPs right now who do what they think is fair without being specifically told to do so.
I'd be interested to know how CRA will tax SPs once the profession is legalized. I wonder how many CRA male agents will look forward to paying a "business-only" visit to SPs.
http://ipolitics.ca/2011/01/12/dutch-government-wants-to-tax-hookers/
Legalizing prostitution will also be good for the clients. Bad experiences such as Krustee's should decrease and those who still get ripped off can file a complaint to the appropriate regulatory agency. Unprofessional and unethical SPs will either be forced to toe the line or out of business. Anyone can be ripped off but no one deserves to be ripped off. I don't think it is reasonable to justify being ripped off by blaming the one that was taken advantage of. The reasoning would be similar to saying that a woman deserves to be raped because her clothing and demeanor ask for it or that she's stupid not to understand the risk of getting raped. Rape is an immoral act whose sole responsibility lies in the person who committs it.
Krustee's experience and what he is saying actually makes a good case for the legalization of the industry. Same thing for the SPs assertion that some of them are able to maintain their health and well-being and not just crooks or damaged individuals that needed saving, which is how they are currently portrayed in the media.
These are all good arguments for the legalization, and maybe professionalization, of the industry.
i just wanted to say, it is unacceptable to mislead or rob the customers. we know this causes violence.
the BCCEC have been working for a number of years to create the "appropriate regulatory agency".
we hope to use trade secrets occupational health and safety training www.tradesecretsguide.blogspot.com to design a low barrier systemof professional accreditation similar to "serving it right" for alcohol service. this accreditation could be tied to the licensing or sex industry businesses, indy workers would not be required to be licensed but could be accredited if they want to, and tied to a "labour complaints"or "self regulatory board". they have been very successful in west bengal for 12 years.if it works for 3rd world sex workers its certainly worth a try here!!
we hope to create board that could inlcude consumers,business owners and workers along with police, city staff etc to hear complaints about unethical business practices, exploitation of workers(fining into debt servitude, 24/7 shift work) and serial theft or extortion of consumers,etc.
a system of penalities that are progressive in nature ( get more serious over time) could be tied to accreditation and through a proposed system of trade marking or branding( not yet defined or designed) and consumer education about the trademark and its representing ethical sex industry businesses owners perhaps begin to weed the few who ruin it for every one and cuase harm to sex industrry workers.
some people here may remember us working as a community on by law revisions and terms of reference for the CAEC. it looks like we will see some of our ideas tested later this year in vancouver. a city report should see some movement towards stabilizing and recognizing ethical business owners as such and protecting them from targeted enforcement actions as well as protecting consumers and workers from those people in our industry who exploit us.
from the report "Opening the Doors"- 2010 http://www.wccsip.ca/doc/Opening the Doors.pdf
Sex Industry Review Boards
Throughout it’s work, the BCCEC have always been conscious of engaging in research or creating policies that reflect current federal standards for ethical engagement of marginalized populations. There are many sources to gather information on research ethics. A national set of guidelines that all Canadian universities must abide by is the Tri Council Policy Statement http://www.pre.ethics.gc.ca/english/index.cfm .
One of the requirements for researchers engaging in research involving human beings is to have the research scrutinized by an ethics review panel or board.
During consultations in regard to the CAEC Terms of Reference, mainstream community members shared concerns about provisions made to protect the confidentiality of sex industry workers stating that policies such as those proposed in the terms above do not create a transparent, open and accountable industry but rather would provide safe haven for traffickers behind the CAEC banner. The main concern was that while people understood the stigma faced by sex industry workers and that confidentiality was important for their safety, they were worried about a gap opening for abuses of confidentiality by traffickers and pimps and their illegal activities going un noticed.
Sex Industry Workers were also very concerned about potentially being “outed” as a sex worker or exploited by a person who discovered their sex industry worker status.
To address concerns on both sides, BCCEC members once again referred to the Tri Council Policies as a guide. Just as researchers are subject to ethics scrutiny by committee, so could CAEC and sex industry activities be examined by an ethics or over sight committee or review board.
Basic terms of reference for such a committee as touched on above could ensure the mainstream community is confident that the sex industry is being monitored and our activities scrutinized and sex industry workers can feel secure that their private and personal information is protected.
BCCEC members discussed what the role of the review board would be and what processes would need to be created in order to incorporate transparency and accountability into municipal processes.
Mechanisms to create transparency and accountability are crucial if we hope to improve the health, safety and working conditions of sex industry workers.
the BCCEC have been working for a number of years to create the "appropriate regulatory agency".
we hope to use trade secrets occupational health and safety training www.tradesecretsguide.blogspot.com to design a low barrier systemof professional accreditation similar to "serving it right" for alcohol service. this accreditation could be tied to the licensing or sex industry businesses, indy workers would not be required to be licensed but could be accredited if they want to, and tied to a "labour complaints"or "self regulatory board". they have been very successful in west bengal for 12 years.if it works for 3rd world sex workers its certainly worth a try here!!
we hope to create board that could inlcude consumers,business owners and workers along with police, city staff etc to hear complaints about unethical business practices, exploitation of workers(fining into debt servitude, 24/7 shift work) and serial theft or extortion of consumers,etc.
a system of penalities that are progressive in nature ( get more serious over time) could be tied to accreditation and through a proposed system of trade marking or branding( not yet defined or designed) and consumer education about the trademark and its representing ethical sex industry businesses owners perhaps begin to weed the few who ruin it for every one and cuase harm to sex industrry workers.
some people here may remember us working as a community on by law revisions and terms of reference for the CAEC. it looks like we will see some of our ideas tested later this year in vancouver. a city report should see some movement towards stabilizing and recognizing ethical business owners as such and protecting them from targeted enforcement actions as well as protecting consumers and workers from those people in our industry who exploit us.
from the report "Opening the Doors"- 2010 http://www.wccsip.ca/doc/Opening the Doors.pdf
Sex Industry Review Boards
Throughout it’s work, the BCCEC have always been conscious of engaging in research or creating policies that reflect current federal standards for ethical engagement of marginalized populations. There are many sources to gather information on research ethics. A national set of guidelines that all Canadian universities must abide by is the Tri Council Policy Statement http://www.pre.ethics.gc.ca/english/index.cfm .
One of the requirements for researchers engaging in research involving human beings is to have the research scrutinized by an ethics review panel or board.
During consultations in regard to the CAEC Terms of Reference, mainstream community members shared concerns about provisions made to protect the confidentiality of sex industry workers stating that policies such as those proposed in the terms above do not create a transparent, open and accountable industry but rather would provide safe haven for traffickers behind the CAEC banner. The main concern was that while people understood the stigma faced by sex industry workers and that confidentiality was important for their safety, they were worried about a gap opening for abuses of confidentiality by traffickers and pimps and their illegal activities going un noticed.
Sex Industry Workers were also very concerned about potentially being “outed” as a sex worker or exploited by a person who discovered their sex industry worker status.
To address concerns on both sides, BCCEC members once again referred to the Tri Council Policies as a guide. Just as researchers are subject to ethics scrutiny by committee, so could CAEC and sex industry activities be examined by an ethics or over sight committee or review board.
Basic terms of reference for such a committee as touched on above could ensure the mainstream community is confident that the sex industry is being monitored and our activities scrutinized and sex industry workers can feel secure that their private and personal information is protected.
BCCEC members discussed what the role of the review board would be and what processes would need to be created in order to incorporate transparency and accountability into municipal processes.
Mechanisms to create transparency and accountability are crucial if we hope to improve the health, safety and working conditions of sex industry workers.
You have some good points, and what I would consider not so good points.
Not only is it a legal and moral obligation to pay your fair share of taxes (look at countries such as Greece, where only a fraction of the population pays taxes and now the country is essentially bankrupt.
This is an apples or oranges comparison. Surely SP's have access to roads, hospitals, government services etc. that we all use and should all pay for. And whether you are a drug deals, someone working under the table or an SP to the end you don't pay your fair share of tax, others, such as you and me, are forced to pick up the difference.
Not only is it a legal and moral obligation to pay your fair share of taxes (look at countries such as Greece, where only a fraction of the population pays taxes and now the country is essentially bankrupt.
Hard to argue against legalizing any industry or sector of the economy where the demand is such, that you either legalize it or it goes under ground and the rules are then established and enforced either ad hoc, or by those who are willing to use force to take what they believe they are entitled to.
I have heard that you are not like your online persona, and that you are a respectable gentleman.
I think it's terrible that anyone should have to deal with unprofessionalism when dealing with any service providers. However, we all have, and will continue to. However, we are in an information age now. I can even write a review on my hairdresser.
However, my point is to let it go. You have made your point, many times over. There is so much negativity in this world....why add any more?
Be smarter in your endeavors going forward, and stop giving power to the people that hurt you in the past. They've long forgotten, but you continue to hold on.
And as for the dichotomy of your online versus in-person persona, I have to admit that I don't completely understand.
PS: Thank-you for responding respectfully to me. I know you have a lot to offer this board, and fellow pooners. But, you have a lot more to give when you aren't conveying frustration and aggravation.
PSS: As for mentorship, I would rather have zero communication with a toxic SP. I would rather surround myself with the women who 'give a shit.' Call it self-preservation.
I think it's terrible that anyone should have to deal with unprofessionalism when dealing with any service providers. However, we all have, and will continue to. However, we are in an information age now. I can even write a review on my hairdresser.
However, my point is to let it go. You have made your point, many times over. There is so much negativity in this world....why add any more?
Be smarter in your endeavors going forward, and stop giving power to the people that hurt you in the past. They've long forgotten, but you continue to hold on.
And as for the dichotomy of your online versus in-person persona, I have to admit that I don't completely understand.
PS: Thank-you for responding respectfully to me. I know you have a lot to offer this board, and fellow pooners. But, you have a lot more to give when you aren't conveying frustration and aggravation.
PSS: As for mentorship, I would rather have zero communication with a toxic SP. I would rather surround myself with the women who 'give a shit.' Call it self-preservation.
Well Miss Freyja, I'm pretty well known around these parts ...
have you ever heard of me being violent?
What have you actually heard about me?
Has anyone ever told you I'm generous at all?
There is no lack of information about my past actions in this town so I'll let you figure out for yourself just how violent I am.
I do know of you Miss Freyja, I have made inquiries & talked to a few people about you.
Word is you are a nice person.
If you think I am hostile & aggressive go ahead & file a complaint about me.
I am sure that it will go about as far as all the other complaints about me.
I'll put my character on the line anytime cuz thus far it has never failed to exonerate me.
All I am asking is that the ethical & decent providers on here give a little mentor ship to those who seem to have difficulty in that department.
Their unethical behavior casts a bad light on this industry & all the good providers in it.
That is all.
Touche!
I think CRA and IRS operate supercomputers running in parallel mode, crunching billions of data using multivariate algorithms with precise statistical probabilities to determine who are not paying their membership dues appropriately. They target the big ones first, but eventually they'll come and get most of the tax dodgers and evaders.
http://blogs.westword.com/latestwor...ort_indicted_for_tax_evasion_racketeering.php
