Is America becoming a fascist state?
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up until a few months ago i didnt think anybody could be that silly to beleave stuff like that. However I have been proven wrong time and again. So I will try to answer point by point.
1. nationalism is a good thing if you live in countries like canada, germany france, russia etc etc etc. But according to the loonies the only country that is bad in is the u.s. of a.
2. we do have a mixed bag on human rights but to be honest with you i would put a cap up there ass and blow them up if it would save one american life. lest we forget these are people that hack off the heads of innocents just for the joy and pleasure of it they hang women or stone them for breaking there laws women and children are viewed asproperty.
3 obsessed with enemies well here it sounds like hes blaming bush for blowing up the wtc
4 supremecy of the military 2 dates 12/07/1941 & 09/11/2001
5 Rampant sexism dont have a clue what he means by that, he just throws it out there.
6controlled mass media. there is no media in this country controlled it is a total brawl. the u.s has the freest media in the world.
7. national security- well i hate to tell the guy but the is the n0.1 objective for any u.s govt. see no 4
8. religion- anyone that knows anything about our founding fathers knows that religion played a big part in their life and it shows in the constitution.
9. corporate power protected- I cant argue with that one but it must be pointed out that no republican gave 13 million at one time like george soros gave the dems.
10.. labor is repressed. ummm not repressed but maybe not as protected as it should be
11 I love this one disdain for intellectuals and artist my only comment is respect is earned not given and the intellectuals and artist have more disdain for the common folk then the politicians do.
12. obsession with crime and punishment. Being a democracy and having states rights protected and only certain crimes being federal bush and the feds have very little or nothing to do with local crime and punishment. who ever did this video of course would know that this is an issue driven by local politics. So hesjust out and out lieing to the people watching the video.
13.corruption hey he gets no argument there
14.fraudelent elections- god this one has been hashed out a million times but it does need repeating. the only people that tried to steal the election in 2000 was the democrats in democtatically controlled counties.
so in sum the u.s might and thats an awful big might fall into 3 categories for being a fascist or heading into a fascist state.
what this guy gives you is the big lie that the loonies say george bush is giving us.
1. nationalism is a good thing if you live in countries like canada, germany france, russia etc etc etc. But according to the loonies the only country that is bad in is the u.s. of a.
2. we do have a mixed bag on human rights but to be honest with you i would put a cap up there ass and blow them up if it would save one american life. lest we forget these are people that hack off the heads of innocents just for the joy and pleasure of it they hang women or stone them for breaking there laws women and children are viewed asproperty.
3 obsessed with enemies well here it sounds like hes blaming bush for blowing up the wtc
4 supremecy of the military 2 dates 12/07/1941 & 09/11/2001
5 Rampant sexism dont have a clue what he means by that, he just throws it out there.
6controlled mass media. there is no media in this country controlled it is a total brawl. the u.s has the freest media in the world.
7. national security- well i hate to tell the guy but the is the n0.1 objective for any u.s govt. see no 4
8. religion- anyone that knows anything about our founding fathers knows that religion played a big part in their life and it shows in the constitution.
9. corporate power protected- I cant argue with that one but it must be pointed out that no republican gave 13 million at one time like george soros gave the dems.
10.. labor is repressed. ummm not repressed but maybe not as protected as it should be
11 I love this one disdain for intellectuals and artist my only comment is respect is earned not given and the intellectuals and artist have more disdain for the common folk then the politicians do.
12. obsession with crime and punishment. Being a democracy and having states rights protected and only certain crimes being federal bush and the feds have very little or nothing to do with local crime and punishment. who ever did this video of course would know that this is an issue driven by local politics. So hesjust out and out lieing to the people watching the video.
13.corruption hey he gets no argument there
14.fraudelent elections- god this one has been hashed out a million times but it does need repeating. the only people that tried to steal the election in 2000 was the democrats in democtatically controlled counties.
so in sum the u.s might and thats an awful big might fall into 3 categories for being a fascist or heading into a fascist state.
what this guy gives you is the big lie that the loonies say george bush is giving us.
Whoa! Dude, you are way off base on all counts.dittman said:
1) Nationalism is okay when it is not taken to extremes. In the US nationalism is definately taken to extremese and interwoven with biblical references despite the US not being in the Bible.
2) Giving up rights to save lives? Man just where does it end? This is just a cheap excuse to get rid of rights.
3) Obessed with enemies? Of course. The US was obessed with the former USSR before WW2 and far more so after WW2. Hell even today the US remains paranoid about Russia. Meanwhile the Arab world has replaced the former USSR in this obession.
4) Supremacy of the military. How much does the US spend on its military and how much does it spend on social programs? Every preceeding empire in world history that fell apart did so because it could no longer sustain its overly large military. The US is going down the same road.
5) Rampant sexism, the Republicans are determined to outlaw abortion.
6) Controlling the mass media. Every major media outlet at one time or another has admitted to towing the White House line especially on foreign issues rather than reporting a stroy honestly. And take good look at Fox News for a well controlled media outlet.
7) National security, the US government using using this to scare the hell out of the American people. Especially with its colour warnings.
8) Religion, even with the simplist understanding of the US constitution and US law and a person will know there is to be a seperation from the church. Add to that is the insane belief that the US is supposed to be some sort of holy land with a Republican government being guided by a divine hand.
9) Military-industrial complex.
10) Labour is far more repressed in the US than in most G-8 countries. Especially with the Orwellian named right-to-work states.
11) You are way off base and only provide an example of distain for intellectualism and the arts.
12) The US jails more people than anyother G-8 country and for longer. US jails are overcrowded so the thinking would lead that the streets are much safer. Yet in reality they are not.
13) Corruption, glad to see admit something.
14) The 2000 election was a sham. Look at Florida alone to see the fraud. The big problem is there is not a organization in the US the equivalent of Elections Canada. Instead each state and in some states each county sets up their election laws for presidential elections.
I wouldn't call the US a fascist country, but I do see the beginnings of one.
actually planetman i live south of the border so i know what i am talking about and to any blind man they can plainly see most of you dont know squat about the u.s and will never know squat about it.
dirtydan if you knew anything about the u.s you would know that if the 2000 florida election was a sham you only have the democrats to blame they controlled the counties that had problems with the election. which meant they ran the voting machines, they wrote the ballots, they sent out the voter pamphlets telling you what and who the canidates were.
dirtydan if you knew anything about the u.s you would know that if the 2000 florida election was a sham you only have the democrats to blame they controlled the counties that had problems with the election. which meant they ran the voting machines, they wrote the ballots, they sent out the voter pamphlets telling you what and who the canidates were.
Actually if i've done my research correctly the voting method is determined by the State government. And who ran the state at the time????
I could be wrong as it does vary from state to state based on their constitution. And from what I read in the Florida constitution leads me to believe that it is determined by the states government.
I know that Ohio's voting method was determined by their governor this time around.
I could be wrong as it does vary from state to state based on their constitution. And from what I read in the Florida constitution leads me to believe that it is determined by the states government.
I know that Ohio's voting method was determined by their governor this time around.
..... obviously....there are very stubborn people here.... people need to keep an open mind..........too bad canada can't be neighbours with australia....legal brothels....cute accents...and hot women...........i have a question for any american......why??? in general...are americans stereotypically on the bad books in other countries....i'm not talking about countries like the middle east...i'm talking about developed countries like france, germany, spain, australia...etc.....in general....do you ever think about how you got image???
Germany a better neighbor than the USA?? Maybe after having been pacified twice by the US after trying to overrun their neighbors.
There was that whole master race business, the shovelling Jews, Gypsies and Catholics into ovens. And it's still not a country where you can just "become German" by moving there, or hell even being born there.
Imagine a world without bad ol' America. Wouldn't it be wonderful? Now put down the crack pipe...
No doubt the leading lights of Europe thought that things would be just super if Rome fell. What did the Romans ever do for us?
There was that whole master race business, the shovelling Jews, Gypsies and Catholics into ovens. And it's still not a country where you can just "become German" by moving there, or hell even being born there.
Imagine a world without bad ol' America. Wouldn't it be wonderful? Now put down the crack pipe...
No doubt the leading lights of Europe thought that things would be just super if Rome fell. What did the Romans ever do for us?
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"A top Iranian official has claimed a "great victory" over the US after the UN said it would not punish Iran's nuclear activities with sanctions." - Quoted from BBCWorld.
Wow. It looks like it's biting back now.
Well, under diplomatic means, it's crumbling faster than anything.
"A top Iranian official has claimed a "great victory" over the US after the UN said it would not punish Iran's nuclear activities with sanctions." - Quoted from BBCWorld.
Wow. It looks like it's biting back now.
Well, under diplomatic means, it's crumbling faster than anything.
planetman said:
Fascist or not fascist
i THINK mUFFMAN HIT THAT ONE RIGHT ON THE NAIL. If the country make crimials out of people for fucking and wanting to fuck ,you have to ask your self .." Is this the land of the free..".... There is no freedom of thought , no freedom to chose, no freedom of religion and no freedom of trade... Oh ..oh wait a minute that sounds like canada to.....No it just can't be?
i THINK mUFFMAN HIT THAT ONE RIGHT ON THE NAIL. If the country make crimials out of people for fucking and wanting to fuck ,you have to ask your self .." Is this the land of the free..".... There is no freedom of thought , no freedom to chose, no freedom of religion and no freedom of trade... Oh ..oh wait a minute that sounds like canada to.....No it just can't be?
your research is somewhat flawed qwerty the legislature does pass the election laws, the technical stuff but it is up to the counties on what type of machines they will use. There is only one state official that is responsible for elections and their responsibility is to make sure the laws are followed. that is the secretary of state. It is up to the counties to set up the mechanisim for the election. that is why it is such a hoax on the part of the media and other types to say the republicans stole the election. It was the democrats who were doing the recounts and it was the democratic judicial that was moving the goal post further back everytime the recount wasnt coming out the way the democratic controlled counties wanted it to. Then it was the florida supreme court controlled by democrats that rewrote state law so the recount could continue.
I pay for sex and i am a conservative.
I pay for sex and i am a conservative.
Americans and their loonies
Back in my misspent youth I travelled the world for years, including both the USSR (pre - Berlin Wall) and the USA.
Having grown up in Canada with a media dominated by the US, I really believed in the superiority of the US system concerning every aspect of a citizen's life.
I was to learn different.
The first shocker was that, contrary to the belief of many Americans, the universe did not revove around America. Secondly, most people in the developed world did not have an overriding wish to be American, in fact, most were perfectly happy to stay and live right where they were. Only in countries with notably poorer economic or social systems was there any desire to emulate America or to immigrate to America.
The third and most important thing I discovered was that both the US and the USSR brainwashed their populations, only the US did it in a much more subtle and effective manner. Most citizens of the USSR did not know the truth of many things, but most did know without doubt that they were getting BS'ed by their ruling elite. The vast majority of Americans have been so effectively indoctrinated by their school system and media, that they're clueless to how their elite keeps them uninformed and easily manipulated.
You only have to see the comments of some Americans on this site to see how effective the indoctrination has been. Not all Americans are this way, of course. Unfortunately, most are, and the powers that be would really like to keep it that way.
Back in my misspent youth I travelled the world for years, including both the USSR (pre - Berlin Wall) and the USA.
Having grown up in Canada with a media dominated by the US, I really believed in the superiority of the US system concerning every aspect of a citizen's life.
I was to learn different.
The first shocker was that, contrary to the belief of many Americans, the universe did not revove around America. Secondly, most people in the developed world did not have an overriding wish to be American, in fact, most were perfectly happy to stay and live right where they were. Only in countries with notably poorer economic or social systems was there any desire to emulate America or to immigrate to America.
The third and most important thing I discovered was that both the US and the USSR brainwashed their populations, only the US did it in a much more subtle and effective manner. Most citizens of the USSR did not know the truth of many things, but most did know without doubt that they were getting BS'ed by their ruling elite. The vast majority of Americans have been so effectively indoctrinated by their school system and media, that they're clueless to how their elite keeps them uninformed and easily manipulated.
You only have to see the comments of some Americans on this site to see how effective the indoctrination has been. Not all Americans are this way, of course. Unfortunately, most are, and the powers that be would really like to keep it that way.
interesting concept you have there donnyknots, because someone might disagree with you they hav been brainwashed. i to have traveled the world, never said nor implied that the universe revolved around the u.s. however a most interesting fact is that most industrial nations that you speak of have local content laws, including canada. so maybe you canadiens and europeans are the ones brainwashed, i dont know just a thought. By the way there is an awful lot of candiens coming to the u.s. for a better economic chance.
Planetman, even someone as deluded as yourself has to know that the United States was the primary military and economic component of the Allied Forces. That's why the Allied Supreme Commander was Ike Eisenhower. Allies minus America = Axis Victory. Even with the furious might of the Canadian mounties arrayed in all their splendor.planetman said:
Actually, the Soviet Red Army made up a larger component of the Allied forces than the US military. And the equation should read more like Allies minus America=prolonged stalemate followed by eventual Allied victory. By the time the US joined the war, the Nazis had already failed in the Battle of Britain and made the fatal mistake of invading the Soviet Union. When American troops arrived in Euope, both sides were battered severely. The analogy is something like a fresh boxer joining a bout in the eighth round when its opponents are already exhausted. The Allies probably would have won eventually, either way, but the American forces tipped the balance in their favour, bringing about a quicker victory.rollerboy said:Planetman, even someone as deluded as yourself has to know that the United States was the primary military and economic component of the Allied Forces. That's why the Allied Supreme Commander was Ike Eisenhower. Allies minus America = Axis Victory. Even with the furious might of the Canadian mounties arrayed in all their splendor.
rollerboy said:Planetman, even someone as deluded as yourself has to know that the United States was the primary military and economic component of the Allied Forces. That's why the Allied Supreme Commander was Ike Eisenhower. Allies minus America = Axis Victory. Even with the furious might of the Canadian mounties arrayed in all their splendor.
Keep in mind that from June 1941 to May 1945 the Soviet army took on from anywhere between 3/4 to 1/2 of the Axis forces, depending on what stage of the war. Without the USSR, a Nazi victory in Europe would have been a guarantee.
Yes the US provided a great deal of military equipment. The list is staggering from all sorts of ships, planes, and vehicles. That's thanks to the foresight the FDR administration had and the fact US factories weren't being bombed into the ground.
As for Dwight D. "Ike" Eisenshower, he wasn't appointed to be the Supreme Allied Commander in 1943 because he was American. He was appointed far his ability to work with the various forces involved in the Allied cause. His generalship was more diplomatic than it was military, which is what the job called for. Other than General George Marshall I an't think of anyother American general that could have the job.
Of course the job was going to an American because of the western Allies they US were the largest. Just plain common sense. Most of Ike's immediate suborninates were British, starting with RAF Air Marshall Tedder as his deputy.
12 Warning Signs of a Fascism - pt. 1
1. Exuberant nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic images, slogans and symbols - National flags are seen everywhere in public display. Territorial aggression is explained to be mere destiny -- an unbidden greatness thrust upon the nation by history.
It is this burden of unique responsibility that now raises the fascist state above all previous constraint, no longer bound by international obligations, treaties or law.
2. Enemies Identified
This national cause is identified as unity against enemies - The people are rallied around a unifying patriotism directed against some common threat: communists, liberals, a racial, ethnic or religious minority, intellectuals, homosexuals, terrorists, etc.
The state's message is sometimes couched in an easily recognized religious theme. Amazingly, this language is used even when the full context of the teaching shows the meaning to be diametrically opposed. Any dissent is "siding with the enemy", and therefor treasonous.
3. Rights Disappear
Disdain for human and political rights - Fascist regimes foster an artificial climate of fear by intentionally amplifying stress and anxiety. Citizens naturally feel a strong need for security and are easily persuaded to ignore abuses in the name of safety. The few still willing to question are met with bullying and smear campaigns of intimidation.
Legislative bodies, if still in existence at all, are cowed into rubber-stamp submission with occasional ceremonial opposition. The judiciary tends to become activist in support of state views. The public often looks away, or even enthusiastically approves as rights are stripped away.
The concept of the individual inevitably yields ground, exchanged for the promised safety of the all-powerful state.
4. Secrecy Demanded
Obsession with secrecy and national security - The workings of government become increasingly hidden. Questioning of authority is discouraged at all levels of society. From office talk at the water cooler up through the entire apparatus of rule, guarded speech and secrecy become ends in themselves.
Troubling questions are muted and entire areas of scrutiny are placed out of bounds by simply invoking "national security".
5. Military Glorified
Supremacy of the military - The military establishment receives a disproportionate share of government resources, even as pressing domestic needs are neglected. Individual soldiers and military culture are glamorized and made constantly visible.
This provides both an object for public glorification, as well as sharp warning to possibly restless citizens that the power of the state stands close at hand, ready to use its great potential for violence.
6. Corporations Shielded
Corporate power is protected - Typically, a segment of the business elite plays a major role in bringing fascists to national leadership, often from an unsavory obscurity. This marriage of big money and raw violence is often considered by historians to be the hallmark and backbone of fascism.
As these business-government-military interests meld, the significant threat of organized labor is clearly recognized. Labor unions and their support organizations are either co-opted successfully or ruthlessly suppressed and eliminated as soon as possible.
Continued next post....
SWG
1. Exuberant nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic images, slogans and symbols - National flags are seen everywhere in public display. Territorial aggression is explained to be mere destiny -- an unbidden greatness thrust upon the nation by history.
It is this burden of unique responsibility that now raises the fascist state above all previous constraint, no longer bound by international obligations, treaties or law.
2. Enemies Identified
This national cause is identified as unity against enemies - The people are rallied around a unifying patriotism directed against some common threat: communists, liberals, a racial, ethnic or religious minority, intellectuals, homosexuals, terrorists, etc.
The state's message is sometimes couched in an easily recognized religious theme. Amazingly, this language is used even when the full context of the teaching shows the meaning to be diametrically opposed. Any dissent is "siding with the enemy", and therefor treasonous.
3. Rights Disappear
Disdain for human and political rights - Fascist regimes foster an artificial climate of fear by intentionally amplifying stress and anxiety. Citizens naturally feel a strong need for security and are easily persuaded to ignore abuses in the name of safety. The few still willing to question are met with bullying and smear campaigns of intimidation.
Legislative bodies, if still in existence at all, are cowed into rubber-stamp submission with occasional ceremonial opposition. The judiciary tends to become activist in support of state views. The public often looks away, or even enthusiastically approves as rights are stripped away.
The concept of the individual inevitably yields ground, exchanged for the promised safety of the all-powerful state.
4. Secrecy Demanded
Obsession with secrecy and national security - The workings of government become increasingly hidden. Questioning of authority is discouraged at all levels of society. From office talk at the water cooler up through the entire apparatus of rule, guarded speech and secrecy become ends in themselves.
Troubling questions are muted and entire areas of scrutiny are placed out of bounds by simply invoking "national security".
5. Military Glorified
Supremacy of the military - The military establishment receives a disproportionate share of government resources, even as pressing domestic needs are neglected. Individual soldiers and military culture are glamorized and made constantly visible.
This provides both an object for public glorification, as well as sharp warning to possibly restless citizens that the power of the state stands close at hand, ready to use its great potential for violence.
6. Corporations Shielded
Corporate power is protected - Typically, a segment of the business elite plays a major role in bringing fascists to national leadership, often from an unsavory obscurity. This marriage of big money and raw violence is often considered by historians to be the hallmark and backbone of fascism.
As these business-government-military interests meld, the significant threat of organized labor is clearly recognized. Labor unions and their support organizations are either co-opted successfully or ruthlessly suppressed and eliminated as soon as possible.
Continued next post....
SWG
