Iran Executes 2 Gay Teenagers
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Well, if he did, his hard-right fundie base would be upset that he was complaining.westwoody said:
Yes, quite a few people think that.Boing said:
It's not clear whether hot military stud & gay prostitute Jeff Gannon was visiting the White house to see Bush, Rove, or McClellan. Maybe more than one?
Avarice....it is sad....I know there are people who are violently opposed to gay and lesbian life style....but this is a sick and twisted society that feels so threatened by them that they need to be executed.Avarice said:
How much does it matter what other nations think? Sovereignty of a whole nation of people matters more than the injustices of their own government. There are plenty of human rights outrages in Canada (look at what has happened to many of the Native tribes), and the US (prisons, wiping out entire Native populations - now almost extinct, what has happened to the Blacks for decades upon decades until only Martin Luther showed up).... and other nations have had plenty to say about it, but should this mean that an interventionist foreign policy be used to "correct" such injustices?
The sovereignty of a nation and the rights of those people to find their own way to a civil code based on their own moral principles has higher priority than the interlopers of other nations. While influences from other nations in order to gain greater rights by minorities in that nation, such as gay rights, etc., can be a good thing, it is only a good thing if it is done without political or economic blackmail. Often nations use such devices to further political or strategic goals, trumpeting a humanitarian cause of one kind or another. As an example, Afghanistan, has for decades been violating the equal rights of women but only until very recently did the US decide that this was a motivation to go in and "restore" those rights. What was the rest of the motivation, and why did that humanitarian cause take so long to enact upon?
And as for many of you who decry these inhumane acts, I see it as very convenient that these same people hate many things Islamic and speak of ordinary Muslims in pretty much the same breath as the terrorists. The tone of the comments here are such as, "what barbarians". Where were you when this was happening time and again for decades before your lovely cities were attacked by terrorists?
The sovereignty of a nation and the rights of those people to find their own way to a civil code based on their own moral principles has higher priority than the interlopers of other nations. While influences from other nations in order to gain greater rights by minorities in that nation, such as gay rights, etc., can be a good thing, it is only a good thing if it is done without political or economic blackmail. Often nations use such devices to further political or strategic goals, trumpeting a humanitarian cause of one kind or another. As an example, Afghanistan, has for decades been violating the equal rights of women but only until very recently did the US decide that this was a motivation to go in and "restore" those rights. What was the rest of the motivation, and why did that humanitarian cause take so long to enact upon?
And as for many of you who decry these inhumane acts, I see it as very convenient that these same people hate many things Islamic and speak of ordinary Muslims in pretty much the same breath as the terrorists. The tone of the comments here are such as, "what barbarians". Where were you when this was happening time and again for decades before your lovely cities were attacked by terrorists?
They beat a canadian reporter to death for taking pictures of a prison,so why should this surprise anyone? The sad story is we have people on this forum that support these actions,maybe not overtly,but there bias come trough loud and clear. and you know who you are..You would have to be brain dead to think everyone here is a supporter of Canadian values. I just get sick of the people that want the velvet touch method for these low life reptiles
wait a minute
First off the people in charge are nuts for doing this, it is barbarism at its best. But let me ask this - many of you here will decry the invasion of Iraq, claiming America is wrong etc. But how about all the Kurds that were gassed in Northern Iraq by Saddam? If the U.S. said, this is a human rights violation and must stop - Iran wouldn't listen. Why would they after all nobody is going to do anything about it and they really couldn't care less what we think. Guys sometimes, the only means of making someone stop is to use force. Sometimes that means innocent people die - is this the best solution - of course not - but sometimes it is all we have left - and that people is the truly sad part of this.
First off the people in charge are nuts for doing this, it is barbarism at its best. But let me ask this - many of you here will decry the invasion of Iraq, claiming America is wrong etc. But how about all the Kurds that were gassed in Northern Iraq by Saddam? If the U.S. said, this is a human rights violation and must stop - Iran wouldn't listen. Why would they after all nobody is going to do anything about it and they really couldn't care less what we think. Guys sometimes, the only means of making someone stop is to use force. Sometimes that means innocent people die - is this the best solution - of course not - but sometimes it is all we have left - and that people is the truly sad part of this.
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If you are implying that those of us on this board who oppose 'Bush-style' foreign policy such as the needless invasion and occupation of Iraq 'support these actions,' you are a fucking idiot. You are the typical right-wing, 'if you question our policies, you are unpatriotic, a traitor, and probably a closet terrorist' parrot for the policies of the extreme right. If you read the posts of those of us that you are clearly taking a cheap shot at, you'll find that many of us oppose the death penalty. My opposition to it remains the same whether we're talking about gay teens in Iran or retarded teenagers in Texas. Go away somewhere and revel in your 'I used to be something' ex-military fantasies, you toad.
I though people were banned for personal attacks
Hey bushpilot - slow down just a little bit. My point is this: People all complain and shine about the atrocities in the world - there are plenty - but the big problem is that nobody ever does anything about it. Want examples?
Rwanda - Canada was the only nation that stayed and tried to actually do something - problem, we aren't big enuf to handle it.
Darfur - people are still being killed by the thousands - nobody does squat
Zimbabwe - over 1 million people are now homeless because the gov't there is burning there houses down to "clean up the neighborhoods"
Ethnic cleansing (genocide) in Serbia
Afghanistan - women can vote there and have a say in their lives for the forst time in decades.
.....and guess what, I am not that right wing. Also, guess what, I have actually been to some of these places and volunteered my time to try and help. Do you know what people ask????? They say why won't America help us - where are the troops???? No oil - no troops - but that is another thread.
You are so strong in your opinions and yet I bet you have never once gone to a single one of these countries to do squat.
Hey bushpilot - slow down just a little bit. My point is this: People all complain and shine about the atrocities in the world - there are plenty - but the big problem is that nobody ever does anything about it. Want examples?
Rwanda - Canada was the only nation that stayed and tried to actually do something - problem, we aren't big enuf to handle it.
Darfur - people are still being killed by the thousands - nobody does squat
Zimbabwe - over 1 million people are now homeless because the gov't there is burning there houses down to "clean up the neighborhoods"
Ethnic cleansing (genocide) in Serbia
Afghanistan - women can vote there and have a say in their lives for the forst time in decades.
.....and guess what, I am not that right wing. Also, guess what, I have actually been to some of these places and volunteered my time to try and help. Do you know what people ask????? They say why won't America help us - where are the troops???? No oil - no troops - but that is another thread.
You are so strong in your opinions and yet I bet you have never once gone to a single one of these countries to do squat.
Firstly, Ilovethemall, I wasn't responding to what you said, but to what the person in the quote on top of my post said. Secondly, I fully understand the hypocrisy of many westerners positions on foreign policy. I don't buy for one second right-wingers humanitarian justifications for western policies in the third world. They are just there to conveniently be trotted out to make their supporters feel better about themselves. Why are Iraqis more deserving of 'freedom' than the citizens of any number of African nations? Thirdly, I haven't been to any of those places you mentioned, although I have done some volunteer work in the third world. And I will do more work in the future. There are no shortage of places and people in the world that need our help.
Fair enough
Interesting bush pilot - I wonder what would happen if the U.S or the E.U said - "OK dictators, the time has come - you lean up your acts or we are coming after you one by one until the world is rid of your sorry asses"
Would people support this? Maybe for countries in Africa.....where we stand no chance of getting hurt (other than the poor S.O.B. troops).....but what would happen we we got to North Korea where they are starving their own people but have nukes and missiles to get them here?
It's like in the movie the untouchables where Sean Connery asks Kevin Costner - "what are you going to do about it?" meaning do we as the "first world" have the stones to stand up to the scum running these countries or not?
Interesting bush pilot - I wonder what would happen if the U.S or the E.U said - "OK dictators, the time has come - you lean up your acts or we are coming after you one by one until the world is rid of your sorry asses"
Would people support this? Maybe for countries in Africa.....where we stand no chance of getting hurt (other than the poor S.O.B. troops).....but what would happen we we got to North Korea where they are starving their own people but have nukes and missiles to get them here?
It's like in the movie the untouchables where Sean Connery asks Kevin Costner - "what are you going to do about it?" meaning do we as the "first world" have the stones to stand up to the scum running these countries or not?
Who do you think put these dictators there in the first place?Ilovethemall said:
Do you think these blacks are too stupid to chose a good government and it is just natural for them to have dictators that keep them poor, put them in prison,starve them to death or shoot them?
You don't need to go in to this countries to remove the dictators, if US, EU and Russia just stop supplying them, they will fall by themselves.
Not always the U.S.
certainly some countries like Chile were hellholes because of the U.S. - but the current crop of scum in Africa has very little to do with the U.S. putting them in power.....and no, I don't think blacks are too dumb - that is a "dumb" statement in and of itself.
Someone will always supply them, N. Korea, Russia, China....they pretty much need to be rooted out. Not everything in the world can be blamed on the U.S.....part of the problem is Africa are the tribal differences that date back decades.....I'm not even sure these places can be fixed - and I have spent time there working with the people there. You want to know the truth, the only solution would be to have a U.N. mandated force there - one with teeth - permanently. keep the power hungry idiots at bay and let the average person have an actual chance at life.
certainly some countries like Chile were hellholes because of the U.S. - but the current crop of scum in Africa has very little to do with the U.S. putting them in power.....and no, I don't think blacks are too dumb - that is a "dumb" statement in and of itself.
Someone will always supply them, N. Korea, Russia, China....they pretty much need to be rooted out. Not everything in the world can be blamed on the U.S.....part of the problem is Africa are the tribal differences that date back decades.....I'm not even sure these places can be fixed - and I have spent time there working with the people there. You want to know the truth, the only solution would be to have a U.N. mandated force there - one with teeth - permanently. keep the power hungry idiots at bay and let the average person have an actual chance at life.
what the fuck! no oil no troops? now , this is starting to sound like one of my phrases!!Ilovethemall said:
LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION!
I'm sure the American Taliban (religious right) are privately gloating & wish they could do the same here. So much for exporting human rights & decency.JFK said:
you all need to take a break and get a life. with so much hate you all will suffer from massive heart attacks. lighten up and enjoy life. but then again people like you are the reason why democrats have become a minority party. they should be called the party of no ideas. status quo. i started to read this thread and started to laugh in amazement. actually its a sad commentary on the collective you and it is a sad commentary on liberalism.
i started to read this thread and started to laugh in amazement. actually its a sad commentary on the collective you and it is a sad commentary on liberalism.
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