Invasion
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As of today, it's about $105.6 billion.georgebushmoron said:
But what's $14.4 billion between friends?
I consistently find you one of the most informed and informative people who posts on perb, GBM, but on this one, you've got it wrong. The greenback has not been tied to the gold in Fort Knox (or anywhere else) for decades. Every country has varying amounts of gold reserves because gold has always been the fallback during currency crises, but no country today has any direct link between their currency and gold.georgebushmoron said:
The following quote from the About website:
The gold standard effectively came to an end in 1933 when President Franklin D. Roosevelt outlawed private gold ownership (except for the purposes of jewelery). The Bretton Woods System, enacted in 1946 created a system of fixed exchange rates that allowed governments to sell their gold to the United States treasury at the price of $35/ounce. "The Bretton Woods system ended on August 15, 1971, when President Richard Nixon ended trading of gold at the fixed price of $35/ounce. At that point for the first time in history, formal links between the major world currencies and real commodities were severed". The gold standard has not been used in any major economy since that time.
Future Shop "was" owned by Wesbild, the same land developing company that built Westwood Plateau in Coquitlam, and a ton of shopping centers in the Pacific Northwest. Wesbild is a private company owned by Iranian immigrants, if my memory serves me right. Not unlike the Ghermezian brothers (Triple 5) who built Edmonton Mall. There's lots of examples out there, of Iranian money that fled after the fall of the Shah in Iran. Remember the Ayatollah...?sajrcc said:
Pls. be honest wid me
Are you guys saying that the place where I live (Whalley) is not U.S. soil ?
Dang! And all these years, I thought I'm Mericun
P.S. (whisper-just between you and me, ok?) someone w/ handle JessicaJames (but with 0 post, member since last year) PM'd me with message: "stupid post; when did you last check your IQ"
That's it! Dang, how would I know which post she meant?
Another one of those, I guess
Are you guys saying that the place where I live (Whalley) is not U.S. soil ?
Dang! And all these years, I thought I'm Mericun
P.S. (whisper-just between you and me, ok?) someone w/ handle JessicaJames (but with 0 post, member since last year) PM'd me with message: "stupid post; when did you last check your IQ"
That's it! Dang, how would I know which post she meant?
Another one of those, I guess
are you sure? i thought they were british based? doesn't really matter i guess. macmillan bloedell as well. although and evil company they were bought out by weyhauser(spelling) is nothing sacred? we can't even have our own evil corporations anymore. there is still chapters, blenz and the bay for now i guess.Creole Lady Marmalade said:
but yeah tim hortons is quite the mind fuck. i call it uncle sam hortons now.
Thank you for the compliment, but while you are right, you are also in error! You are right that no country has a direct link of their currency to gold... except the United States. I also agree that the fallback is gold during a currency crises, but it was not meant to be so though it has ended up that way out of necessity during those few handful of times.JustAGuy said:
Nixon indeed set about the implementation of what is known as fiat currency, that is, currency not valued by gold but valued relative to a base currency. And that currency is the USD, for which the gold at Fort Knox and the GDP of the US is the backing. How did this come about? First of all, focus on the Bretton Woods system is a distraction to the argument, so let's not discuss that further. How it came about was that Nixon got OPEC to agree that the default currency of exchange for oil transactions was the USD. This caused the rest of the oil-consuming countries to take up USD in their reserves. This prepared for the creation of the fiat currency system. A number of countries agreed to release portions of their gold stocks to the United States in exchange for USD to fill their reserves. Even though the fiat system was created, still money has to be backed in some form ultimately by real assets. So because the default currency for oil transactions was the USD, it also became the base currency for the fiat system, and thus naturally the US had to be the holder of the assets that back it. Gold was naturally the backing, but because at the time the American economy was the strongest in the world, US GDP was also used to back it.
So the link to gold you describe that doesn't exist is that which values the currency. The fiat system allows for the valuation of currencies by relative value only. This abstraction freed nations from being unable to go into debt in order to facilitate massive spending to further themselves. But a relative value system has got to stop somewhere because ultimately it has to be based on something real. As you say, correctly, that currency has no link to gold. Yet while the USD is in itself not valued based on how much gold there is at Fort Knox, it nevertheless is the backing of the currency. What it means is that the USD is the promissory note for the gold at Fort Knox. Effectively, however, there will never be a run on the bank by creditor nations though theoretically we might imagine it out of pure entertainment only. It's a masturbatory fantasy for cynics such as I.
Now I trust you will correct me if and where I am wrong. And frankly I welcome corrections because I am interested in knowing more of the truth than anything else.
Sorry about that man. THe Mexicans are taking over here so we have to go somewhere and regroup. You know, manifest destiny and all that.niteowl said:
Tim Horton's is American? I always assumed that it was Canadian since I've not seen one in the States.
You should read the book'' seven sisters''. Explains how all seven major oil comps are all one and the same, they all own high % of each other, It will open your eyes to it being a monopoly run by the rich.felix29 said:
Fukkin Rockerfellow started it.
All public records, not a theory like yours.Cali Scott said:
It was a non fiction book, all proven .
Have you read it.? I don't guess you would have time to read anything but whats on Cali's A list. I might add most of yours are in the Fantasy section.
Remember what I said about that obsession pool?
THe proof of your mental illness is plain to see.
PLEASE SEEK HELP
Of course I have read it. Have YOU? If so then you will know that it's doesn't address the physics of anything that happened after the building started to fail.mick_eight said:
The point that you're missing here is that: 1.) it doesn't make any sense, I don't care if God himself wrote it, it still doesn't work. Moreover, the folks who did write it are also prime suspects in this event in my book. 2.)It doesn't talk about any of the other multiple problems and convenient evidence that has been found. As I pointed out in HFS' thread, you can take one or two and explain them away as simply coincidence but when you take a few dozen discrepancies and try t oformulate a cohesive picture of what happened what I am talking about is pretty much the only thing that can tie them all together into an intact story of the events of that day. Ieman, you seem relatively intelligent; how can the building fall that fast or into it's own footprint? Did you read Jones' paper (and cites) or is that not on YOUR A-list Mick?
Fantasy? I submit that it's a far more plausible theory than what has been presented so far by official sources. I consider IT a fantasy.
This is all unless, you're relying on the 9/11 commision report which I won't even get into 'cause it's pretty obvious what happened there.
So, I need mental help because I don't believe something that makes no sense? I submit that possibly I am MORE sane because I look at what is told to me with a critical eye. Maybe you need help because you believe the fiction that is being handed to you by FEMA (via NIST) and CNN? Maybe you need help because you cannot see it and have become too reliant upon your keepers to even remotely suspect them of lying to you. After all, you OBVIOUSLY have an emotional investment in their story, becaue of the anger and sarcasm that you are demonstrating here. I mean, what's THAT all about?
Yeah right dude, I am crazy as are 60% of New Yorkers i(ncluding huge numbers of the survivors and the families of those that did not survive). I mean, they were only there, WTF did they know. Perhaps all the stress and Jet fuel fumes made them crazy or somethin', eh?
The only obsession I harbor is for my daughter to grow up in a country that is a semblance of what America started off as.
it was founded and run for a long time as a canadian company but then sold out to wendy's corp. there are a few uncle sam hortons in the states. they are all out in the north eastern u.s., mostly minesota, michigan, and the northern new england states.Cali Scott said:
